How to Win the Convention- REAL REVOLUTION

[kyleAF]

Affecting the volunteer process or the behind-the-scenes convention support won't get us a win. We just need to get our delegates there and vote according to what is right, not according to what is written in the rules.

Delegate trips are expensive (4 days away from work!). Start saving money now, in case the campaign can't finance you.

 

[IPSecure]

Good Point

Beware of BlowBack!!!

“The battlefield is a scene of constant chaos. The winner will be the one who controls that chaos, both his own and the enemies.”
Napoleon Bonaparte

I guess that I am really frustrated over the media, what Louisiana GOP did, the New Hampshire nonsense, etc...

Sometimes I believe the only way we can win, is to play dirty like everyone else.

I wish this were not the case, due to the fact that Ron Paul is so honest, it might look bad for the Revolution.


'Tanks & Missiles to Deep Throat.

 

[Working Poor]

I I am for this being a "sticky post" too. Thank you so much "Deep Throat" for posting this info and for lending your strength.

 

[mudburn]

I guess that I am really frustrated over the media, what Louisiana GOP did, the New Hampshire nonsense, etc...

Sometimes I believe the only way we can win, is to play dirty like everyone else.

I wish this were not the case, due to the fact that Ron Paul is so honest, it might look bad for the Revolution.

As frustrated as any of us have been, are, or might be, we should remember that, even though it's unofficially, we are representing Ron Paul in what we do, how we do it, what we say, and how we say it. What would Ron do? I respect, admire, and love Ron Paul for the man of character he is. All of his supporters should aspire to emulate and reproduce that level of integrity, honesty, and character.

I am excited about the prospect of shaping things in a meaningful way and fighting for the message of liberty and freedom, the very foundation of our nation at the national convention. I am pursuing being a delegate here in KY. I have no experience in politics of any sort, but for this cause, I am getting involved.

dp

 

[Penners]

I am for this being a "sticky post" too. Thank you so much "Deep Throat" for posting this info and for lending your strength.

bump

 

[DeepThroat]

Not trying to de-rail this thread just wanted an opinion from Deep Throat about the write-in option :
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=121587

Thanks.

That would depend on your goal.

If you're trying to put out a protest vote, by all means, go for it.

If you're thinking of doing it because you believe it will get Ron Paul elected, my guess is, it won't work.

IMAO.

 

[DeepThroat]

For the benefit of those that may have missed these points on the thread.

We need to be on the same page if we're all on board.

Our mission: Get the Republican nomination for Ron Paul.
Strategy: Obtaining majority delegates on our side at the Convention.
Tactic: Becoming Delegates and using this position to influence to get votes and vote in our favor, by any means possible.

Steps:
Think.
Plan.
Organize.
Act.
Win!

Step One
Think

Did anyone really believe that sign waving and flyering would break the GOP machine and win the primary? Did you think that was all there was?

What it did was accomplish something bigger than you may realize. A connected network of spirited and dedicated RP supporters. No other campaign has this. In fact, every other campaign works against having that in order to keep control and direct campaign efforts in the direction they want.

Yours is unique. Use it to your advantage.

Set the mission: Win the RNC Convention in St. Paul, Minneapolis for Ron Paul.

This will only be accomplished by delegates.

There are three types of people that are on board with this mission.

* People who want Ron Paul to win.
* People who will work against the McCain vote.
* Democratic moles. Yes, they do exist.


Three types of delegates, all with one objective.

You must become involved with the Republican Committee in your County or Municipality.

You must become a delegate.

To win the Revolution, the troops must be at the site of the battle.

The Battle will be fought in St. Paul, Minneapolis. September 1-4, 2008.

You need to be inside fighting, not outside wishing, watching and waving signs.

Find the RNC in your state.
http://www.gop.com/Connect/States.aspx

Step Two
Plan

No war has ever been won without a plan.

This is the foundation.

It is impossible for one to know all the rules of each state GOP. It is incumbent on you to contact your state party on Tuesday and learn the rules.

Also, check your state committee's website this weekend to see if they have information available online.

Have your questions prepared.

* How many delegates in the state? Are the spots filled? How many available?
* Is it a winner take all state?
* Are the delegates unbound?
* If delegates are bound, then for how many rounds?
* What is the process for becoming a delegate? Is it by petition? How many signatures required?
* Can delegates be uncommitted?


Think over the next day, read about your state and be prepared for your call. Time is of the essence.

Gather as much information as possible for your state. This is the grunt work, the unglamorous part of politics that turns many off and away.

It is here that people fail because they can't understand the process or find it tedious and unsexy. This is how your opponents win. They know the ropes by heart. In due time, so will you.

We will then take this information and post it in a central location. Be ready to take all you have learned and condense it in understandable terms and represent the rules of your state.

Note - Thank you to Jim for reaching out to me.

You are about to enter a new arena of politics.

It isn't a warm, fuzzy place.

It won't be friendly.

It's cold and dirty and you will only have each other.

You will now prepare for your Revolution.

Bend like the reed rather than break like the oak when the winds of change blow


You will make history.

Do not retreat. Do not be afraid.

Steady mind.

Steadfast heart.

The battle will be fought in St. Paul, Minneapolis. September 1-4, 2008.

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

Onward.

 

[nate895]

Hey, DeepThroat, if the RNC manages to break their own rules and allow the Louisiana delegation (and others if they broke the rules) on the floor, and we know we can't win, would holding a rump convention to nominate Ron Paul be fine?

 

[hillertexas]

Hey, DeepThroat, if the RNC manages to break their own rules and allow the Louisiana delegation (and others if they broke the rules) on the floor, and we know we can't win, would holding a rump convention to nominate Ron Paul be fine?

Along these same lines... If all rules are internal, can the rules concerning how the nominee is chosen i.e. how many delegates are needed to secure the nomination, be changed internally as well?

 

[nate895]

Along these same lines... If all rules are internal, can the rules concerning how the nominee is chosen i.e. how many delegates are needed to secure the nomination, be changed internally as well?

They can't, but you can suspend the rules. You can only change the rules for the next convention. I say we make it so that only caucuses count and that Washington State gets to go first, since Ron Paul would have won if we went first, it was hard turning people out for a candidate who hasn't won yet.

 

[hillertexas]

They can't, but you can suspend the rules. You can only change the rules for the next convention.

Right...but isn't this an internal rule as well?

I started thinking about this after Louisiana when they went against their own rule of declaring how the caucus would work 1 year? ahead of time. They changed it 2 days ahead of time and then were like "Well those are internal rules (the rule about declaring the process well ahead of time), and we can change internal rules".

 

[CJP]

Actually, we can do both. No reason you can't sign up and actually go [to the Nat'l Convention] to cause problems.

No reason you can't sign up and protest outside, or hang out on your lazyboy either.

Basically make it an HR nightmare.

Imagine expecting 8000, getting 1000, and having half of them being agent provocateurs. lol

For God's sake, don't do anything like this!! The Party will hate us (and, by association, our message) for years if act like assholes and monkeywrench.

If you're saying to yourself "so what, I don't care if those fascists hate us!", then you are missing the entire point of this thread.

Third parties can never win under our current system (too long to explain why here), so we must take over one of the two major parties. And the GOP is the natural choice because they, at least historically, have been on the side of smaller government. Yes, they are wrong on the war issue and often wrong on civil liberties, but many Republicans can be swayed to our side of these issues by getting them to look at things from a anti-gov't, pro-individual-freedom, America-first perspective. On the other hand, you will never, ever get Democrats to give up their fundamental belief in the big-government nanny state.

Quite a few libertarians who have realized they were wasting their time in the LP have already quiety joined the GOP. These people are glad to have the Revolution join in the fight for the soul of the Party.

So, ironically, though the GOP is currently a bastion for the neocon evil that has infected it, the Republican Party is the greatest realistic hope for the policical future of this country. Every one of us who is willing should get active in the Party and make friends, not enemies. After you schmooze and make friends, you will find your allies and gently convert others to your ideas. When you are strong enough, then you will be able to root out the unredeemable fascists, re-write the platform, and take back the party and the country.

And yes, this may take years. If you give a damn you must be prepared to be in it for the long haul. But take heart in the fact that no other political force in this country has the passion for ideas that we do. Nothing is even close. So if we direct our energies to rebuilding a party, precinct-by-precinct, we will win this Revolution.

 

[nate895]

Right...but isn't this an internal rule as well?

I started thinking about this after Louisiana when they went against their own rule of declaring how the caucus would work 1 year? ahead of time. They changed it 2 days ahead of time and then were like "Well those are internal rules (the rule about declaring the process well ahead of time), and we can change internal rules".

You can't change internal rules right before they are to be put into effect, unless if you were to reconvene the last convention. Only the body that makes the rules can change the rules, so only the 2004 GOP Convention can change the 2008 GOP Convention rules, it is confusing, but it is how it works.

 

[nate895]

For God's sake, don't do anything like this!! The Party will hate us (and, by association, our message) for years if act like assholes and monkeywrench.

If you're saying to yourself "so what, I don't care if those fascists hate us!", then you are missing the entire point of this thread.

Third parties can never win under our current system (too long to explain why here), so we must take over one of the two major parties. And the GOP is the natural choice because they, at least historically, have been on the side of smaller government. Yes, they are wrong on the war issue and often wrong on civil liberties, but many Republicans can be swayed to our side of these issues by getting them to look at things from a anti-gov't, pro-individual-freedom, America-first perspective. On the other hand, you will never, ever get Democrats to give up their fundamental belief in the big-government nanny state.

Quite a few libertarians who have realized they were wasting their time in the LP have already quiety joined the GOP. These people are glad to have the Revolution join in the fight for the soul of the Party.

So, ironically, though the GOP is currently a bastion for the neocon evil that has infected it, the Republican Party is the greatest realistic hope for the policical future of this country. Every one of us who is willing should get active in the Party and make friends, not enemies. After you schmooze and make friends, you will find your allies and gently convert others to your ideas. When you are strong enough, then you will be able to root out the unredeemable fascists, re-write the platform, and take back the party and the country.

And yes, this may take years. If you give a damn you must be prepared to be in it for the long haul. But take heart in the fact that no other political force in this country has the passion for ideas that we do. Nothing is even close. So if we direct our energies to rebuilding a party, precinct-by-precinct, we will win this Revolution.

This is a way to take control of it. The way you put yourself up for the GOP nomination is if you are a conquering hero. If they nominate McCain, a good third of the party will be completely dissatisfied with the nominee, so if we nominate our own person and stand up for small government conservatism, then we are the conservatives' hero for 2012, and the "heir" to the party, we just need to find someone who we can unite behind to support.

 

[kill the banks]

For God's sake, don't do anything like this!! The Party will hate us (and, by association, our message) for years if act like assholes and monkeywrench.

If you're saying to yourself "so what, I don't care if those fascists hate us!", then you are missing the entire point of this thread.

Third parties can never win under our current system (too long to explain why here), so we must take over one of the two major parties. And the GOP is the natural choice because they, at least historically, have been on the side of smaller government. Yes, they are wrong on the war issue and often wrong on civil liberties, but many Republicans can be swayed to our side of these issues by getting them to look at things from a anti-gov't, pro-individual-freedom, America-first perspective. On the other hand, you will never, ever get Democrats to give up their fundamental belief in the big-government nanny state.

Quite a few libertarians who have realized they were wasting their time in the LP have already quiety joined the GOP. These people are glad to have the Revolution join in the fight for the soul of the Party.

So, ironically, though the GOP is currently a bastion for the neocon evil that has infected it, the Republican Party is the greatest realistic hope for the policical future of this country. Every one of us who is willing should get active in the Party and make friends, not enemies. After you schmooze and make friends, you will find your allies and gently convert others to your ideas. When you are strong enough, then you will be able to root out the unredeemable fascists, re-write the platform, and take back the party and the country.

And yes, this may take years. If you give a damn you must be prepared to be in it for the long haul. But take heart in the fact that no other political force in this country has the passion for ideas that we do. Nothing is even close. So if we direct our energies to rebuilding a party, precinct-by-precinct, we will win this Revolution.

yes , please focus on the best solution

kill the banks

 

[fj45lvr]

• Democratic moles. Yes, they do exist.

The last thing in the world a "democrat" mole wants to see is Paul as the nomineee. They're giddy as hell about McCain and the Huckster.

Cross that one off your list.

People have funny ways of determining the goose is cooked

 

[fj45lvr]

It wouldn't be a bad thing at all to show up with some signs for the conventioners.....

GOP=BIG GOV. SPENDING HYPOCRITES

Vote Constitution Party!!

 

[FreeTraveler]

It wouldn't be a bad thing at all to show up with some signs for the conventioners.....

GOP=BIG GOV. SPENDING HYPOCRITES

Vote Constitution Party!!

Constitution Party = Theocrats
Vote Libertarian!!

 

[DeepThroat]

Hey, DeepThroat, if the RNC manages to break their own rules and allow the Louisiana delegation (and others if they broke the rules) on the floor, and we know we can't win, would holding a rump convention to nominate Ron Paul be fine?

Let me start by saying that I am not from Louisiana and therefore, am not familiar with the rules of your state party. I did read the article about what happened off another thread. I am not quite clear as to what rule was broken based on what I read.

To help everyone understand, I will clarify a couple of things. Sometimes the terms are wrongly interchanged and this can lead to confusion.

The RNC is the Republican National Committee. They are a nationwide organization. In addition, each state has their own State Republican Committee.

Every state committee works autonomously meaning, they work independently from each other and set their own rules for the state. Each state committee has their own by-laws which they follow. By-laws differ from city, state or federal laws.

State Republican committees each link to the National Committee.

To answer your question, based on what I know... if you know you can't win in the convention, of course you should hold a rump convention.

You should also file a complaint with the RNC (National Committee) about what occurred in Louisiana. Keep in mind, no "law" was broken, so any punishment would come from the national committee, probably in the form of censure.

If you feel that either the state committee or national committee has acted in a way that you believe is criminal, ie- fraud, then you should contact the AG.

 

[rpfan2008]

now thats what i call a 'good morning'