How to TAKE your freedom back

Are you ready to secede?


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TheTexan

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We have petitioned our government, and the citizens of this country, to resolve these issues:
  • We have a right to keep the fruits of our labor, but when we assert this right, we get a gun pointed at us
  • We have a right to keep the land we rightfully own, but when we assert this right, we get a gun pointed at us
  • We have a right to make any voluntary trade we like, but when we do, we get a gun pointed at us
  • We have a right to use any currency we like, but when we do, we get a gun pointed at us
  • We have a right to do whatever we like on the land that we own as long as we don't harm others, but when we do, we get a gun pointed at us
  • We have a right to put or not put any substance we like into our body, but when we do, we get a gun pointed at us

The malfeasance of our politicians, and the negligence of the citizens of this country, has led to a system of extortion, oppression, corruption, & disparity. The services our country renders with the money stolen via taxes are ineffective or outright failing. The currency we are forced to use is being intentionally inflated for the direct benefit of the rich, with trillions of dollars being literally stolen from the American people. Our government not only continues to enable this behavior, but actively participates in it, ensuring the destruction of both our currency and our economy. Record levels of government spending has brought with it record levels of corruption, where corporations both write the laws and elect the politicians. Our country has been at perpetual war for a century, enriching the military industrial complex, while simultaneously making us poorer and less safe. With each war, or even in times of peace, our liberties have been slowly eroded. Today we are no longer allowed to decide what we eat, what we drink, or god forbid, what we smoke, in the name of 'protecting us from ourselves'. The police sworn to protect us are trained to kill and enforce, rather than protect and serve. The Constitution that was designed to prevent all this from happening has been manipulated & distorted to the point where it no longer has any relevance, and is all but ignored. A child could read this document and explain to you that our country is no longer Constitutional, yet the transgressions only grow worse with each passing year.

We, as believers in liberty, have significant and irreconcilable differences with the citizens of this country

We have made the above complaints known. We have done our due diligence to educate the American people in the ways of freedom. We gave them the option of freedom, peace, and prosperity, but they have opted against it. They heard our message of liberty, and told us to take it elsewhere. So we shall.

We will no longer tolerate these transgressions against our rights. Not without incident.

Together, we can take back our freedom

We have proven to be a powerful force across the nation. Our efforts to elect Ron Paul have been a resounding success. We may not get the presidential nomination, but that was never the goal. The goal is and has always been the pursuit of achieving liberty. And we are close. We only need to reach out and take it.

We need only pick a state, and go there. The secession will happen on its own.

Once you accept that the rest of the people of this country simply do not want freedom, it becomes clear that forcing our version of freedom on them is just as wrong as them forcing their version of 'freedom' on us. Recognizing this, it becomes obvious that secession is and has always been the ideal solution, both for us, and for the rest of the country.

Welcome to the real revolution.
 
I'm sure everyone who posts on this site is on their list already. And I agree with the premise of the thread, but the rulers are not just going to accept our resignation. People had better be aware of that.
 
Frustration is reaching a high point on this forum, I can see it by all of the very liberty minded threads.

I don't know if many of us are still ticked since Super Tuesday and realize it's time to start thinking locally, or what. The time is, indeed, now.

+rep OP.
 
Unfortunately, even the least populous U.S. states containa few hundred thousand people, and most of them are not amenable to the complete ideas of liberty.

I'm increasingly convinced that the best thing to do is find a completely uninhabited, or very sparsely populated, island or island territory, and bring our belongings and modern technology there. Devloping infrastructure would take a while, but we're hardy folk in general. I think we could survive a three or four year period of lacking things like shopping centers and movie theaters.
 
Unfortunately, even the least populous U.S. states containa few hundred thousand people, and most of them are not amenable to the complete ideas of liberty.

I'm increasingly convinced that the best thing to do is find a completely uninhabited, or very sparsely populated, island or island territory, and bring our belongings and modern technology there. Devloping infrastructure would take a while, but we're hardy folk in general. I think we could survive a three or four year period of lacking things like shopping centers and movie theaters.

RP had over 100,000 donors. If we were set to purpose, we could move to a state and take over its congress, easily, especially considering how few people actually vote in primaries in many of these states.

But yes, I agree. There is no need to restrict ourselves to US territory.
 
The problem with any free state project should be very evident. The larger nation will NOT allow any type of secession. And any group trying to defend their right to succeed will encounter the same problems the Confederate States did when they formed their own nation-mainly that the USA has a larger army, more guns, and more money. All the free state project will do is get the entire movement killed in one fell swoop.

I on the other hand think the best way to do it is to "leaven the bread" so to speak. We spread ourselves across the country and work on those around us, converting them to the cause of liberty. That way we become the "salt of the USA" so to speak.
 
RP had over 100,000 donors. If we were set to purpose, we could move to a state and take over its congress, easily, especially considering how few people actually vote in primaries in many of these states.

But yes, I agree. There is no need to restrict ourselves to US territory.

I've pondered this concept for quite a while. I believe Freedom could designate an area within the borders of the US as governed strictly by "the" or "a" Constitution (the latter being Constitution v2.0). This would of course lead the imperial US government to treat us as King George did and we would have to be prepared to defend ourselves accordingly. Consider a territory outside of the US, even an uninhabited island may lend itself to attacks from other forces. Which would be better? This would require discussion.
 
The problem with any free state project should be very evident. The larger nation will NOT allow any type of secession. And any group trying to defend their right to succeed will encounter the same problems the Confederate States did when they formed their own nation-mainly that the USA has a larger army, more guns, and more money. All the free state project will do is get the entire movement killed in one fell swoop.

I disagree. You forget, the military is on our side. I also believe the people are on our side, as far as the right to secession goes, and despite their overseas actions, I believe they are inherently decent human beings who would not see genocide so close to home.

150 years is a long enough wait to give secession another try.

Also, as futile and pointless as they usually are, we'd have the U.N. on our side. (other than the fact America=UN)

I on the other hand think the best way to do it is to "leaven the bread" so to speak. We spread ourselves across the country and work on those around us, converting them to the cause of liberty. That way we become the "salt of the USA" so to speak.

This has about the same chance as our founding fathers converting the British to their cause.
 
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The problem with any free state project should be very evident. The larger nation will NOT allow any type of secession. And any group trying to defend their right to succeed will encounter the same problems the Confederate States did when they formed their own nation-mainly that the USA has a larger army, more guns, and more money. All the free state project will do is get the entire movement killed in one fell swoop.

I on the other hand think the best way to do it is to "leaven the bread" so to speak. We spread ourselves across the country and work on those around us, converting them to the cause of liberty. That way we become the "salt of the USA" so to speak.

I think both fronts are worthwhile. Regarding the former, I believe a New America might have strong backing internationally...just as the colonies did way back when.
 
I disagree. You forget, the military is on our side. I also believe the people are on our side, as far as the right to secession goes, and despite their overseas actions, I believe they are inherently decent human beings who would not see genocide so close to home.

150 years is a long enough wait to give secession another try.

Also, as futile and pointless as they usually are, we'd have the U.N. on our side. (other than the fact America=UN)



This has about the same chance as our founding fathers converting the British to their cause.

As for the military- the South thought the same thing. In fact they were mostly right too. Didn't matter then. Can't see how it would work any better today. If even HALF the military deserted overnight it still wouldn't be enough. The USA would still have the advantage in production, resources, weapons, and manpower. As well as money.

As for the Founding Fathers comment, that is EXACTLY what happened. Or did you forget all of them started out as thinking of themselves as British citizens at one time?
 
I think both fronts are worthwhile. Regarding the former, I believe a New America might have strong backing internationally...just as the colonies did way back when.

The colonies didn't have strong backing internationally. They had help from France, who wanted to do it so they could screw with the British. It was profitable. That was about it. The only superpower that would help today would be-what, China? None of Europe would. I don't see that happening. China would likely sell arms to the USA before backing a rebel state. More profitable for them.
 
As for the military- the South thought the same thing. In fact they were mostly right too. Didn't matter then. Can't see how it would work any better today. If even HALF the military deserted overnight it still wouldn't be enough. The USA would still have the advantage in production, resources, weapons, and manpower. As well as money.

Regardless, I have my opinion, you have yours. I'm willing to bet my life that they would not be able to get away with attacking us unprovoked. You're not, and that's ok.

As for the Founding Fathers comment, that is EXACTLY what happened. Or did you forget all of them started out as thinking of themselves as British citizens at one time?

I think you missed the point. They were British citizens... then they declared they weren't anymore. They didn't wait for permission from their masters.
 
Secession is coming. Because we know that the bankruptcy is coming.

The best thing to do is a Free State Project. But that's only the start. The Liberty movement must control the mass media of that State. Mass media is the invisible government, argueably more important. The people in New Hampshire such as the Free Talk Live (radio program) guys have EXACTLY the right idea. We need more of them.

Remember that Thomas Payne's pamphlet Common Sense laid the groundwork for revolution. The Boston Massacre sparked it.

Something similiar will happen again, but first we must saturate the minds of the people with Liberty.
 
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Not to mention, it will most likely be a gradual secession, one nullification at a time. If it looks like they're about to drop a nuke on our state, we can decide then if we want to risk another incremental step towards liberty. We can pace it as quick, or as slow, as we like.

And of course slow is a relative term. I mean slow as in 4-6 years. Properly motivated we could do it in 1.

Trying to get the entire country to adopt liberty though... you're looking at 50 years. Or more. Even then you can only expect to get half your freedoms back, at best. I don't want to be old and gray by the time I'm free.

We need a clean slate. We can't waste our lives rolling back the laws of the past.
 
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