How to survive the coming Great Depression

That is terrible and absolutely true. But as far as I know, you have to make more then 80k a year to actually pay anything. Seems like a big incentive for the 'richer' people to give up their us passports.

That reminds me of what a friend of mine did when he moved from California to DC many years ago. The California Franchise Tax Board sent him a set of tax forms in the mail, the year he moved. Since he had lived in CA for part of the year, he owed the state taxes for that time period. Instead of filing his return, he wrote "DECEASED" in big letters on the form, and marked it return-to-sender. He never heard another word about it. He later went on to become a Federal court judge....
 
It saddens me that some people here have a wishful thinking, hoping the market would collapse.

Oh and what is this thread doing here?

I don't think anyone here is "hoping" the market will collapse. They simply don't see a bright future, which, when you look at all the facts, is being pretty realistic.

I haven't gone to all these extremes, but I did move my retirement accounts over to Switzerland. The dollar is definitely going to continue to lose value. Everyone should be prepared for that:

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I'm not sure of a TEOTWAWKI situation unfolding, but it's never a bad idea to prepare for various eventualities.

If you stock up on food now, does it hurt you? No. You'll just eat it anyway, even if the economy stays ok. The same with most other consumables, including fuel, and---for some people---ammo.

And knowing how to survive, or how to administer field-dressings and emergency aid is always a good thing.

Basically, I don't see this as a bad idea even if the economy stays ok, so why not? As long as you don't break the bank putting all your eggs in the doomsday basket. Diversify! :rolleyes:
 
Before you jump out there and shoot off all you powder on Mad Max style survival gear, you might want to do a little real world research.

The posters name is FerFal. Google it.

He was a student during the economic collapse of Argentina. He wrote a series of articles and posts on his experiences. What he did right, what he did wrong.

He says many interesting things. Many of which contradict the sales pitch you will be given by survival supply houses.

My personal preps focused on this order of things.


1.) Water - can only go a few days without it. Not that easy to store. Need a lot of it. It's heavy to hump on your back.

2.) Food - mainly off the shelf things that will keep. Dry goods and canned goods. I've been the MRE / dehydrated route. It was fun and expensive. But not practical in the long term. You have to rotate that stuff or you take a chance on giving yourself food poisoning.

3.) Weapons. One MBR. One small caliber for hunting, (if I happen to be that lucky. Not counting on it). Pistols for self defense. Three times the ammo I though I needed. Try to get it off market. Gun shows, friends, etc.

4.) Health supplies. Built my own first aid kit. Most of the sets sold are crap. Find a medical supply house and build your own. Basic medicines. Need to rotate them because they expire. So don't overstock. It's a waste.

5.) Exercise. Aerobics and weights. No use filling that backpack up with SHTF goodies if you can't hump the thing more than a hundred yards.

6.) Portable anonymous, universally accepted, wealth in small denominations.

7.) Get out of debt. I like Dave Ramsey's program for this. I do not agree with his investment advice.

8.) Transportation. Gotta love Volkswagens. Cheap to buy, designed to be repaired. Market is flooded with parts. Mountain bikes for exercise and just in case I need to go somewhere and there is no fuel.

9.) Secured my current shelter as best as I could. Arranged for alternate shelter in another country. Worked with my neighbors to set up a watch of sorts. Built up the relationships a little.

10.) Hand tools for the tasks I might need to accomplish. Not power tools mind you. Hand tools. You would be surprised at how many people do not own a shovel.

11.) Taught myself the basics of gardening and animal husbandry. That took a while but it was a lot of fun. You will be amazed at how much better you feel after you stop eating the crap they sell in the stores.

There is a wealth of info out there. And a plethora of scams. Be careful.


SOUND ADVICE.

+ a google's worth.
 
IMHO the economy will collapse under the weight of it's own corruption. It is bound to happen. I'm just trying to survive it.

I have a bank book that my grandfather gave me. It was his fathers. At the time of the crash of 29 my Great Grandfather held $87,000 in the bank. He was one of the better off people in the bootheel of Missouri.

That vanished. Federal agents seized my family's lands for unpaid taxes. My ancestors survived because my great grandfather hid a team of mules in the woods. With that team they were able to earn enough to scrape by.

In 1991 my wife and I experienced a tropical cyclone. It came and sat on our island for 5 days non stop. Destroyed everything.

Immediately following the storm, the water supplies were corrupted. Pipes shattered and raw sewage mixed in the potable water system.

We went without water for 2 months waiting for repairs. Fortunately we live in a place that rains daily. Not everyone is so fortunate.

All of the stores that could open started price gouging like you wouldn't believe. Food was not to be had at any price. It was hoarded by store owners for their family and friends.

Fuel was confiscated by the local government and rationed to repair crews only. There was no fuel available.

The first night after the storm pulled out there was massive looting. Being a "foreigner", my family and I were one of the first targets. I personally held people at bay with a baseball bat.

These were people I KNEW.

Now look around you. Hard. Think what it will really be like if the power grid goes off for say a month. What is going to happen?

I'm insane? maybe. But I'm not stupid. I learn from my past mistakes. Now I am prepared.


Jumping in here to add that those of you considering getting your own self/family prepared for some unfortunate eventuality, one lesson that doesn't get as much discussion as I personally think it should is this:

Keep your damned mouth SHUT about being one of the prepared ones. Keep it quiet. Because if your neighbors/friends know that YOU are ready, they will head straight for your place, expecting YOU to take care of THEM. Remember, most Americans today think SOMEONE ELSE will handle everything for them. Sad, but true.

Those who scoff at you today will be at your door if/when teotwawki happens.
 
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Don't forget the ... addictive stuff.

Booze, smokes, coffee...

:D

That's right, the first thing done here when a hurricane hits is a ban on alcohol.
Imagine an "Emergency"
Lots of grumpy people looking for calmed nerves...:eek:

COMFORT FOOD!
Even if it is just club crackers and gatorade...it is a great distraction and planning moment.
 
StrikerV sent me a PM asking these questions, and I decided it would be pointless to just answer him without letting everyone have the same information, so here it is... my best answers... If anyone wants to take on question 3, I'd appreciate it.

StrikerV said:
You talked about abuncha good stuff in the how to survive a depression thread... im wondering if these items are necessary:

All of these are necessary. Good questions... I'll try to answer them all as best I can.

StrikerV said:
1. Water Filter (How long do they last?) What if water shuts off and I dont have a well nearby?

Go find an REI or look for MSR (Mountain Safety Research) online. You'll want to get a 10liter Dromedary bag (black canvas) and an MSR portable water filter pump. There are battery powered ones, or hand pump style... I'd suggest the hand pump unless you have a lot of fuel for a generator and rechargeable batteries to keep it working. The filter medium lasts about a month of REGULAR use I think... I actually have never replaced my filter, but I only used it when camping in the U.P. one time... it was friggen cold, -5*F at noon, and I was camping on the shore of Lake Superior. That was the only time I've ever NEEDED my filter. I do need to buy a bunch of replacement filters though, thanks for asking this question.

StrikerV said:
2. Gardening (This takes good knowledge, yes? What are the ESSENTIAL tools for creating a decent size garden in Oklahoma for example)

Collect scrap plywood and 2x4s from construction sites, or friends, and build ground boxes in your yard. They are basically 4' deep x 2' tall x 8' long, with a south facing, 6 in 1 pitch (starts at 2' tall in the back, and ends up 1' tall in the front closest to the south face. Cover these with corrugated plastic or sheets of plastic drop cloth, and you have yourself some mini greenhouses that can actually grow food through the winter because they are so low to the ground, and wind can't get inside.

Fill the boxes with a good mix of organic soils to the bottom edge of the wood, basically ground level, and get to planting. Follow directions on seed packets, grow vegetables that don't need to grow super tall, vines like pumpkins, squash, and vine tomatoes. Also potatoes, onions, and other underground growers will be good. You'll want to find a good manure supplier (not hard in Oklahoma) and fill those boxes with composted - preferably organic - manure so it is sloped on the same angle as the tops. Plant 2 rows of tomato plants, 1 row each of the other plants, since vine plants grow HUGE, and will kill each other if there are too many of them. Onions and herbs can be grown en masse... learn about them herbs, some have healing properties, others just taste damn good.

Your other option, actually a better one, is to build a large greenhouse, about 1000 sq ft, and set up geothermal hydronic heating inside. That way, it will still be warm enough to grow in winter, even if it's snowing outside, and you can be INSIDE with the plants, instead of outside in the elements tending to the anti-frost boxes. Go buy a new steel horse water trough, fill it with fresh water, set up a trickle filter system that takes water out of the tank and pipes it over your plant rows, waters your plants, then recycles the drained water back into the tank. Wait a week for the water to "clear", go buy some Tilapia fry from Mexico or online =) and start the system running. Using fish waste to fertilize/water plants is called Aquaponics, and the other benefit is that your tank - or tanks - will grow their own algae which you can skim off, and extract oil from for use as biodiesel.

StrikerV said:
3. Silver (What are the best silver coins to get, should I go for pre 65 silver coins minted by US or try to get a private minters coin, how much do these start at?)

Oddly enough, I was just asking this same question in the forums, because I'm a n00b when it comes to investing in anything.

StrikerV said:
4. MRE's should I get only US Military type or are the regular consumer produced just a rip off and dont last? i see all kind of companies producing these things but im wary...

I prefer the military type, they are held to a higher standard of quality control, and when you buy a case, they'll all be from similar lot numbers, and all have a similar expiration date. You can likely find cases of MREs at your local Surplus store, but I've found they are more expensive - by far - than buying online from a MRE dealer.

StrikerV said:
5. Bulletproof vest, think a good idea? hehe!

A flak jacket and a kevlar helmet maybe... but a bullet proof vest... maybe a bit overkill... hehe. I dunno... Level 3 BPVs stop all pistol rounds except for the 7.62x25mm Czech round (they were designed to pierce armor) and all rifle calibers go through BPVs like a needle through a balloon - and do massive amounts of damage to the body once through. Shotgun blasts can be stopped by a flak jacket at anything but point blank range, and it's gonna fuckin hurt regardless of whether you wear a BPV or flak jacket. You're more likely to find flak jackets at MilSurp stores than you are to find affordable BPVs. While you're at it, head over to the local gun show, and buy yourself a CZ-52 pistol and about 200 rounds of 7.62x25mm. Have it inspected and serviced by a gunsmith, and get used to firing it. It is the ONLY pistol caliber that can and will penetrate all types of body armor, helmets, brick walls, and multiple bodies when needed. With a muzzle velocity of 1450fps (that's close to some centerfire rifles) and an 84-grain slug, it has the power to kill small game, varmints, and even small deer and other medium sized game. Personally I'd keep it for defense, but there's nothing wrong with carrying a sidearm while hunting up some grub.

StrikerV said:
Anyways just getting some supplies togethor and gonna start learning some new skills JUST INCASE all this stuff happens, im hoping it wont, shouldnt worry TOO much about it (gotta keep living!) but we should be prepared in case it does happen!

One thing I would add, and I know this will sound very odd... but go find yourself someone who has Opium Poppy flowers... you'll recognize them from the large bulb left at the top of the stalk after the flower petals fall off. Ask to take a few bulbs worth of seeds, or buy them, and when the shit DOES hit the fan, start growing poppies. They are fragile plants, but would likely grow quite well in Oklahoma.... Grow them right in your yard, far away from any other "gardens", and make them look like just pretty scenery... I have them growing around my pond. While you may not have a lot of money, you'll have something everyone will want.... a way to get high and forget about life for a while, which will end up making you money in the short run. Just don't ever bring anyone to YOU to sell it, or they'll rob you blind.

Really, I should take my own damned advice... I know all this shit, and have NONE of it... I am completely unprepared for a SHTF or TEOTWAWKI situation because I don't have the financial resources to do it.
 
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A flak jacket and a kevlar helmet maybe... but a bullet proof vest... maybe a bit overkill... hehe. I dunno... Level 3 BPVs stop all pistol rounds except for the 7.62x25mm Czech round (they were designed to pierce armor) and all rifle calibers go through BPVs like a needle through a balloon - and do massive amounts of damage to the body once through. Shotgun blasts can be stopped by a flak jacket at anything but point blank range, and it's gonna fuckin hurt regardless of whether you wear a BPV or flak jacket. You're more likely to find flak jackets at MilSurp stores than you are to find affordable BPVs. While you're at it, head over to the local gun show, and buy yourself a CZ-52 pistol and about 200 rounds of 7.62x25mm. Have it inspected and serviced by a gunsmith, and get used to firing it. It is the ONLY pistol caliber that can and will penetrate all types of body armor, helmets, brick walls, and multiple bodies when needed. With a muzzle velocity of 1450fps (that's close to some centerfire rifles) and an 84-grain slug, it has the power to kill small game, varmints, and even small deer and other medium sized game. Personally I'd keep it for defense, but there's nothing wrong with carrying a sidearm while hunting up some grub.

The CZ-52 is a GREAT pistol. I can vouch for it, as a friend of mine has one. It is important to take it to the gunsmith though, as they're old and from the soviet bloc, so need to be sure it hasn't been neglected / abused. Only downsides are that they're rather large, and the ammo is pricey, but the gun itself shouldn't cost too much at a gun show.

And they DO penetrate well.

I would recommend getting a standard NATO round pistol as well, since the ammo will be much more plentiful in barter situations. And get a parts kit for anything you buy.

Also, get it through private transfers or at a gun show. Try to keep your ownership "off the record" so you don't have to worry about confiscation. If you currently carry, then have one registered gun for the carry (if you need one at all), but backups that aren't registered.
 
In addition to all the "hardware", food, water, etc. I would recommend a good pair of boots or two and if you use corrective lenses - a couple extra pairs of sturdy eye glasses.
 
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