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somepeople, like the media like to say, actually do. In some ways, i hope it does.
I hope it doesn't because some of us have a family to take care of.
How to survive the coming Great Depression
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I hope it doesn't because some of us have a family to take care of.
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You're absolutely right Amistad, it is total madness.
The madness though is that we've been led down this perilous road to the point where we have to think about the total collapse of our economy. Ron isn't talking strictly about a recession but the likes of an economic collapse that dwarfs the 29 bust. People were a lot more self reliant then, that is not the case now.
There is major cause for concern and to not give it creedance is at your own peril.
The madness though is that we've been led down this perilous road to the point where we have to think about the total collapse of our economy. Ron isn't talking strictly about a recession but the likes of an economic collapse that dwarfs the 29 bust. People were a lot more self reliant then, that is not the case now.
There is major cause for concern and to not give it creedance is at your own peril.
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I hope it doesn't because some of us have a family to take care of.
I do understand. I just want you to be ready for it just in case. its my opinion that things will get worse. I dont buy that fancy expensive survivol stuff myself. I grew up in a small family in a small town in Alaska(pfd). I do not trust the establishment. I run a small business (very bizzeee), Wa state. and sometimes drink too much
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I do understand. I just want you to be ready for it just in case. its my opinion that things will get worse. I dont buy that fancy expensive survivol stuff myself. I grew up in a small family in a small town in Alaska(pfd). I do not trust the establishment. I run a small business (very bizzeee), Wa state. and sometimes drink too much
Well, I'm not a U.S. Citizen. I can't own a gun.
But i has some gold.
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The way I see this is, I really hope the US (and thus the world's) economy doesn't collapse, but if it does I wouldn't want to come out of the bathroom holding my d--- in my hand. About 5 years ago I estimated the probablity of an dollar collapse at about 2% in the next 50 years. Now I'm concerned such was underestimated... though I still hope I'm wrong, our current world is pretty cush compared to how it could become.
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The single most important thing is LAND, paid-for land, that you can subsist on. It should be far enough away from civilization that you can get to it rather quickly, but not in a high-traffic area. After all, what's the purpose of building a bug-out bag with SHTF goodies if you have nowhere to bug out to?
Second, make sure you have a small group of like-minded individuals, each bringing a unique set of skills to the table, each able to stockpile and transport survival goodies to the land(which should be owned by one of the group members, preferably one that owns no registered guns)
Third, firearms. Make sure that each member of your group has a rifle and a pistol of common caliber(5.56NATO, 7.62x39, or 7.62NATO for rifles, 9mm or .45ACP for pistols). Decide on a model of rifle and pistol at the beginning, and have every member of the group save one buy a rifle and pistol and at least one parts kit for each, and one member will purchase two of each. The team member who didn't buy a gun should be the one who buys the land.
Fourth, a bug-out bag. The bag should contain a firearm(other than the standard ones, which should be stored at the site), ammunition for said firearm, at least one 500 round box of .22long rifle(for barter later), and various survival paraphanalia needed to survive the journey to the bug-out location, or to bolster the supplies already there if travelling by car.
ALL MATERIALS NECESSARY FOR LONG-TERM SURVIVAL SHOULD BE STORED AT THE LOCATION, so that the group can survive if one member doesn't make it in time(or at all). These include:
*Firearms
*Parts kits for said firearms(for repairs)
*Ammunition, several thousand rounds per person(properly packed in ammo cans with silicon dessicant inside)
*Water(with a means of obtaining and filtering drinking water on or near the site)
*Food(prepackaged, canned, et cetera)
*Seeds(non-hybrid, store many varieties)
*A Generator(Listeroid engines work wonders, if you can find them)
*Military manuals, survival and otherwise. Knowledge is power.
Second, make sure you have a small group of like-minded individuals, each bringing a unique set of skills to the table, each able to stockpile and transport survival goodies to the land(which should be owned by one of the group members, preferably one that owns no registered guns)
Third, firearms. Make sure that each member of your group has a rifle and a pistol of common caliber(5.56NATO, 7.62x39, or 7.62NATO for rifles, 9mm or .45ACP for pistols). Decide on a model of rifle and pistol at the beginning, and have every member of the group save one buy a rifle and pistol and at least one parts kit for each, and one member will purchase two of each. The team member who didn't buy a gun should be the one who buys the land.
Fourth, a bug-out bag. The bag should contain a firearm(other than the standard ones, which should be stored at the site), ammunition for said firearm, at least one 500 round box of .22long rifle(for barter later), and various survival paraphanalia needed to survive the journey to the bug-out location, or to bolster the supplies already there if travelling by car.
ALL MATERIALS NECESSARY FOR LONG-TERM SURVIVAL SHOULD BE STORED AT THE LOCATION, so that the group can survive if one member doesn't make it in time(or at all). These include:
*Firearms
*Parts kits for said firearms(for repairs)
*Ammunition, several thousand rounds per person(properly packed in ammo cans with silicon dessicant inside)
*Water(with a means of obtaining and filtering drinking water on or near the site)
*Food(prepackaged, canned, et cetera)
*Seeds(non-hybrid, store many varieties)
*A Generator(Listeroid engines work wonders, if you can find them)
*Military manuals, survival and otherwise. Knowledge is power.
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The classic http://www.equipped.org/fm21-76.htm
I have this edition of 21-76 around the house somewhere (maybe I should find that). There's a link on that page to 21-76-1, can't vouch for it though, it got released in 1999 and I got out in 2000 so I never saw it.
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I saw an interesting show on the science channel. They were profiling people who set themselves up to live off the grid. Some of these folks were quite ingenious. One community had rigged up a micro hydroelectric generating station. They had built a cistern up on a hillside, and piped water down to some mini dynamos. After they tapped the kinetic energy of the water, they returned it to the nearby creek.
This thread also reminds me of really cool documentary I saw about this guy who goes to Alaska by himself and builds a cabin. He took a movie camera and documented everything. All by himself, and just using hand tools and what he could carry in a canoe he built a tidy little cabin and lived there year round through some bitterly harsh winters. And this dude was in seriously remote back country. No roads, or services of any kind. Total survivalist situation, but with a little knowledge and basic tools he was able to set himself up quite comfortably.
Check it out. This guy was one cool dude:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke
This thread also reminds me of really cool documentary I saw about this guy who goes to Alaska by himself and builds a cabin. He took a movie camera and documented everything. All by himself, and just using hand tools and what he could carry in a canoe he built a tidy little cabin and lived there year round through some bitterly harsh winters. And this dude was in seriously remote back country. No roads, or services of any kind. Total survivalist situation, but with a little knowledge and basic tools he was able to set himself up quite comfortably.
Check it out. This guy was one cool dude:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke
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1. Buy an 80s-90s GMC or Chevy Diesel Pickup or SUV... Algae produces BioDiesel in amounts 100x greater than that of soy in equal proportions. Gasoline will be sparse, scarce even... and Ethanol will be friggen gone. Parts are dirt cheap, plentiful, and easy to replace by any backyard mechanic, unlike VWs. Don't get me wrong, I luv me a Jetta TDI, but having worked on them in a shop setting, I wouldn't want to have to change a timing belt in the field... fuk dat.
2. Buy an AR-15 if you can afford one... Anyone can afford them piece by piece... Buy the Lower from Stag Arms or Rock River Arms, both inexpensive, high quality shops, and then pick your favorite brand for uppers in a variety of 6 different calibers. From .22LR to .458 SOCOM, the AR platform has become the world's most versatile weapon system.
3. Buy at least 1 case of 1000 rounds of each caliber Upper you buy for your AR.... If you buy a .223 and a 6.8mm, get 2 cases of .223 and only 1 or a half case of 6.8mm... buy a couple boxes - about 100 rounds or so, of soft point ammo for the 6.8mm, as it has better game dropping potential than the .223 FMJ or SP.
4. Buy enough cases of MREs to last a year... they have an insane shelf life, and there is enough "energy" in the crackers alone to keep you going for an entire day, should rationing become necessary. Some places allow you to customize your MRE orders, and they come 12 in a case. I'd suggest staying away from the Omelet, no matter how much you think you like eggs... =)
5. Med Supplies... nuff said.
6. Go to your local "big" food producer... I have Roundy's here in Wisconsin... buy their old food grade 55 gallon drums. Get a spigot for them and put them in your basement or shelter all filled with fresh water. If you have the space, you'll want to have about 200-300 gallons of water. More than that will become stagnant, and could grow bacteria... ALWAYS filter and boil - if possible - any water that you get from ground sources, I.E. wells, ponds, rivers, or lakes.
7. Survival Kit - Henry Survival .22LR rifle, 50ft thin steel braided wire for snares and trip wires, 200 ft of 550 (Parachute) Cord, KABAR knife, a cook stove that works on white fuel (this allows you to collect methane from landfills/compost and use it in the stove.
8. Buy about 200 2"x4"x8" landscaping bricks and a 16" length of ceramic chimney flue... you do NOT want the ones with holes in them. Build a small brick oven, starting with a layer of bricks on the bottom wide enough to support the flue on the wide side, laying horizontally. Place the flue, then build the rest of the bricks up and over the flue, covering one end of the opening. Build a small fire, push it to the back of your oven, and you have a heater that will cook all your food safely and quickly. You WILL need to do this outside.
There's obviously more stuff, this is just a quick list of the things I thought of when reading some of the other posts.
2. Buy an AR-15 if you can afford one... Anyone can afford them piece by piece... Buy the Lower from Stag Arms or Rock River Arms, both inexpensive, high quality shops, and then pick your favorite brand for uppers in a variety of 6 different calibers. From .22LR to .458 SOCOM, the AR platform has become the world's most versatile weapon system.
3. Buy at least 1 case of 1000 rounds of each caliber Upper you buy for your AR.... If you buy a .223 and a 6.8mm, get 2 cases of .223 and only 1 or a half case of 6.8mm... buy a couple boxes - about 100 rounds or so, of soft point ammo for the 6.8mm, as it has better game dropping potential than the .223 FMJ or SP.
4. Buy enough cases of MREs to last a year... they have an insane shelf life, and there is enough "energy" in the crackers alone to keep you going for an entire day, should rationing become necessary. Some places allow you to customize your MRE orders, and they come 12 in a case. I'd suggest staying away from the Omelet, no matter how much you think you like eggs... =)
5. Med Supplies... nuff said.
6. Go to your local "big" food producer... I have Roundy's here in Wisconsin... buy their old food grade 55 gallon drums. Get a spigot for them and put them in your basement or shelter all filled with fresh water. If you have the space, you'll want to have about 200-300 gallons of water. More than that will become stagnant, and could grow bacteria... ALWAYS filter and boil - if possible - any water that you get from ground sources, I.E. wells, ponds, rivers, or lakes.
7. Survival Kit - Henry Survival .22LR rifle, 50ft thin steel braided wire for snares and trip wires, 200 ft of 550 (Parachute) Cord, KABAR knife, a cook stove that works on white fuel (this allows you to collect methane from landfills/compost and use it in the stove.
8. Buy about 200 2"x4"x8" landscaping bricks and a 16" length of ceramic chimney flue... you do NOT want the ones with holes in them. Build a small brick oven, starting with a layer of bricks on the bottom wide enough to support the flue on the wide side, laying horizontally. Place the flue, then build the rest of the bricks up and over the flue, covering one end of the opening. Build a small fire, push it to the back of your oven, and you have a heater that will cook all your food safely and quickly. You WILL need to do this outside.
There's obviously more stuff, this is just a quick list of the things I thought of when reading some of the other posts.
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There's your economic stimulus plan right there.
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There's your economic stimulus plan right there.
That's funny. I can just imagine what the business news will be in six months:
"Well, consumer confidence is down, but we're seeing a dramatic uptick in demand for MRE's and property prices in Idaho are up 12%."
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There's your economic stimulus plan right there.
Heh... why not?? I saw a video of a college project, where two guys figured out that every person on the planet could fit in their own (family) single-wide mobile home, with a car in the driveway, and all required industry and commercial places on the outskirts, in an area the size of Texas.
Surely, all of the US can fit in Idaho
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Don't forget a portable water filter. I use one when backpacking. Emergency blanket, hatchet, water tablets, peanut butter, vitamins, lots of canned goods, dog food for the doggie, ( don't forget your dog...barking is beneficial.), emergency radio (if the fascists keep radio free, it might go satellite only.), lots of bottled water, knife, survival books, ibuprofen, tent, gas stove that can run on alcohol, and my guitar to keep my sanity. Internet will be long gone in a depression.
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That is terrible and absolutely true. But as far as I know, you have to make more then 80k a year to actually pay anything. Seems like a big incentive for the 'richer' people to give up their us passports.
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