How to Steal an Election

[Brian4Liberty]

It's ALWAYS rigged. It's just a matter of who does the rigging.

Nice job deflecting - let's try again... Do you really think the results would have been the same if there was only election day voting requiring ID's and limited absentees? And try not to dodge, this time.

Yells over the cubicle wall to Zippy, "how should I dodge this one?"

 

[CaptUSA]

Lol - Really??

You don't think the election process is more important than the candidates??

I think you can get a 10-15% swing in the outcome based on whether you allow no-excuse mail-ins, drop boxes, early voting, no ID's, etc. With the marginal split between voters, the process makes all the difference. And that's if everything is without any sort of fraud. If there was only election day voting with ID's and pre-registration, and limited absentee ballots, the swing goes to the other party.

It's ALWAYS rigged. It's just a matter of who does the rigging.

Nice job deflecting - let's try again... Do you really think the results would have been the same if there was only election day voting requiring ID's and limited absentees? And try not to dodge, this time.

Of course not, the voting results would be very different. Literally anyone would agree. But the reason for that isn't fraud.

And The Count completes the circle... What a moron.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Let's say, even if there is no cheating at all, what excuse is there that it takes 2+ weeks to finish counting ballots? It seems to me the idiots are the ones who are apparently getting worse at simple addition, not the ones whose suspicions run wild when there are unprecedented delays in vote-counting.

Can you really blame people when, for two elections in a row, it seems like the counting just goes on and on, with the exception of a few awkward pauses in counting, until democrats get enough ballots to pull ahead and then it's, "okay we're done! sorry about that!"

 

[nobody's_hero]

A TV doctor dual citizen from NJ in PA? A washed up football player with bimbo explosions of hidden kids? I could go on. An endorsement from Trump is a death sentance to a campaign. DeSantis refused the Trump kiss of death and look how well he did.

DeSantis had a lot going for him. I'm not saying he didn't put in the effort to garner those votes, by establishing a 'promised land' and refuge from the wokeness, but he also had some 300,000+ dedicated voters drop into his lap over the past few years. Anyone who is living under tyranny and is willing to pull up stakes to up-and-move their whole families is damn well going to vote to preserve what they've got once they get where they're going. There's not a politician in the US that wouldn't love for that to happen.

 

[kahless]

Let's say, even if there is no cheating at all, what excuse is there that it takes 2+ weeks to finish counting ballots? It seems to me the idiots are the ones who are apparently getting worse at simple addition, not the ones whose suspicions run wild when there are unprecedented delays in vote-counting.

Can you really blame people when, for two elections in a row, it seems like the counting just goes on and on, with the exception of a few awkward pauses in counting, until democrats get enough ballots to pull ahead and then it's, "okay we're done! sorry about that!"

Absentee ballots need to be verified with voter registration and match signatures. There is another thread here with the rights collective freak out of people in costumes stuffing the absentee ballot box. Then they complain that things are taking to long when those ballots must be verified. LOL.

 

[TheCount]

And The Count completes the circle... What a moron.

No sense trying to have good ideas or good candidates. Everything is fraud.

Nonspecific, unproveable, undetectable fraud.

 

[acptulsa]

No sense trying to have good ideas or good candidates.

Having been a libertarian for a long time, all I can say is, apparently not.

Everything is fraud.

Nonspecific, unproveable, undetectable fraud.

Since transparency has been eliminated from the process, you can't prove them honest, either.

I don't think transparency is too much to demand.

 

[TheCount]

Since transparency has been eliminated from the process, you can't prove them honest, either.

Proving a negative is indeed impossible.

I don't think transparency is too much to demand.

Transparency of what?

 

[CaptUSA]

No sense trying to have good ideas or good candidates. Everything is fraud.

Nonspecific, unproveable, undetectable fraud.

Ok, Zippy. I keep saying you don't need fraud when the process is rigged. You agreed that the process is rigged. And yet, you keep talking about fraud.

Pointless to continue this.

 

[acptulsa]

Proving a negative is indeed impossible.

Honesty is not a negative.

Transparency of what?

Where are the poll monitors? There used to be such things nationwide. Some of us can still act in that capacity. Arizona votes appear to be counted under quarantine.

 

[TheCount]

Honesty is not a negative.

We saw in 2020 that there is literally no end to the possible accusations of election fraud. Those who were convinced that the ghost of Hugo Chavez ordered Chinese bamboo ballot dumping and Italian spy satellite vote flipping on German servers demanded recounts and audits. How many of them were reassured by the results of those audits? How many of them changed their minds after the recounts?

None. There is no way to prove honesty to someone who is convinced that you are being dishonest.

Where are the poll monitors?

Monitoring polls.

There used to be such things nationwide.

There still are.

Arizona votes appear to be counted under quarantine.

Quarantine sure is looking different these days.

 

[acptulsa]

We saw in 2020 that there is literally no end to the possible accusations of election fraud.

Deflection. That's old as the hills, and a bipartisan activity. It doesn't mean honesty can't be proven.

Quarantine sure is looking different these days.

Not very.

 

[TheCount]

Deflection. That's old as the hills, and a bipartisan activity. It doesn't mean honesty can't be proven.

Are you saying that what I said was wrong, or are you posting for the sake of posting?

Does that picture have anything to do with poll watchers or Arizona, or are you posting for the sake of posting?

 

[acptulsa]

Are you saying that what I said was wrong, or are you posting for the sake of posting?

I'm saying what you said was wrong, and you're posting for the sake of posting.

 

[TheCount]

I'm saying what you said was wrong, and you're posting for the sake of posting.

The recounts and audits changed minds? People were convinced in the honesty of the 2020 election?

How about your picture? Does it show the problem that you're claiming?

 

[nobody's_hero]

Absentee ballots need to be verified with voter registration and match signatures. There is another thread here with the rights collective freak out of people in costumes stuffing the absentee ballot box. Then they complain that things are taking to long when those ballots must be verified. LOL.

If I thought perhaps that's what they're doing, sure. How long is too long though? Is it going to become the norm to discover that these 'verified' ballots are overwhelmingly democrat?

I don't understand why ballots can't be verified as they come in. Or is everyone waiting until the last second of the last hour of the last day to mail in their ballots?

 

[kahless]

If I thought perhaps that's what they're doing, sure. How long is too long though? Is it going to become the norm to discover that these 'verified' ballots are overwhelmingly democrat?

I don't understand why ballots can't be verified as they come in. Or is everyone waiting until the last second of the last hour of the last day to mail in their ballots?

How many can be verified within an hour (guessing a minute per ballot if they are looking up registration and eyeballing signatures) X the number of staff = ballots processed. If they only process 60 an hour and with limited staff it could take a long time. Even if the ballot box was stuffed with non-registered voters, it would still take quite a bit of time to weed the invalid ballots out.

I was browsing the AZ gov and Maricopa county websites and it is surprising how few are registered to vote compared to overall population. In past elections only like %65 of registered voters actually turn out.

People say Republicans outnumber Dems in the state, but it is close 34% vs 30% with Other 33% which I assume are Independents.

AZ Voter Registration Stats

Republican 1,436,852 34.67%
Democratic 1,270,544 30.66%
Other 1,404,385 33.89%
Libertarian 32,148 0.78%
Total 4,143,929

State Population: 7.276 Million