How this will all end up...

[Aldanga]

It pains me to think she's Judge Nap's cousin......ugh....

That's just a joke he makes. They're not actually related.

 

[Deborah K]

That's just a joke he makes. They're not actually related.

Oh good.

 

[osan]

I'm gonna be as honest as I can here, so hate on me of you wish.

WTF? Hate is a very strong word. If I hated you, I would want to kill you. People should keep that in mind before using such words.

That aside, if we here believe in freedom then there is no hate for such positions, even if we disagree.

If federal gun confiscation is on the horizon, I'm taking my family and any one else that's wants to hitch a ride, right the fuck out of this shithole. The trains and camps are not far behind.

This raises interesting questions. Of course, if they manage to get the guns on broad enough of a basis, would camps be needed? If so, we are as good as dead... unless someone figures a way to kill or paralyze the tyrant's and their dogs with harsh words or some form of pouting.

I'll only fight if the borders are closed and I can't leave or they spring some shit overnight. My grandma was lucky and made it through a Nazi camp; her family, not so much.

Heh... My uncle spent a few years at Belsen. That was pretty fucked up.

I'm not going to debate the reasons why, that's just where I'm at right now. I'll leave all my arms to anybody that's would use them for the resistance.

If things come to that, you can always place them in my safe for storage and get them when you return. I am serious.

What a sad state it is in which we find the world when people feel the need to think this way. We as a race are going no place that is good.

Time's up babies. What are you going to do? With which side shall you stand? What sort of person do you choose to make of yourself? What sort of future do you want for you and those for whom you claim to care and have regard?

 

[osan]

We are not unpersons yet! God dammit.

We are never unpersons, no matter how "they" may treat or otherwise regard us.

 

[TheTexan]

thx wrs

 

[osan]

This. I believe we might see a case soon were a pro-liberty sheriff is brought up on bogus federal charges to make an 'example' of them.

If this happens, the public response will be CRUCIAL to our future.

If we sit by and vent without acting, we are dead meat. The sheriff's department MUST respond with unequivocal force and we would be well behooved to volunteer assistance. Whatever location to which such a sheriff would be spirited must be taken, the sheriff released, and the agents killed on the spot. I am unequivocal about that last bit. They will have committed treason as agents of the state and as far as I am concerned in so acting they waive and forfeit all right to due process of law. I would lay their corpses on the sidewalk for their buddies to come and gather up.

Yes, this is very harsh, but not nearly so much so as what is being done to us. At some point the message must be made loudly and with perfect clarity: tread upon us and we will kill you outright. The line in the sand needs to be marked and we need to stop backing away every time these fed scumbags step over.

I do believe that the 9th and 10th Amendments protect our right not only to defend ourselves, but to conduct impromptu trials of federal agents who commit treason and execute them for their crimes. This is very serious shit they are now into and it threatens us as we have not been before threatened. If they get the guns, we are NAZI Germany all over. We are Stalin's Soviet Union and Mao's China. We are screwed.

This is damned scary shit from all angles, so if you feel fear there is very good reason for it and I promise that you are not alone. No sane man would be devoid of fear.

You will, however, have to choose that which you fear more: the consequences of resistance or those of compliance.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This is not hyperbole.

This is not conspiracy theory.

This is not paranoia.

This is not mental unbalance.

This is truth.

And goddamned right I'm scared...fuck...all I wanted to do is sail and raise a family and be left alone.

Somehow I turned into the "bad guy".

I do believe that the 9th and 10th Amendments protect our right not only to defend ourselves, but to conduct impromptu trials of federal agents who commit treason and execute them for their crimes. This is very serious shit they are now into and it threatens us as we have not been before threatened. If they get the guns, we are NAZI Germany all over. We are Stalin's Soviet Union and Mao's China. We are screwed.

This is damned scary shit from all angles, so if you feel fear there is very good reason for it and I promise that you are not alone. No sane man would be devoid of fear.

You will, however, have to choose that which you fear more: the consequences of resistance or those of compliance.

 

[shane77m]

We must be prepared to dress the line and stand right up alongside such sheriffs.

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Free sheriff.

 

[osan]

I signed it with my real name. The gubment knows enough about me anyways so why sign anonymously?

Bravo. I will add that signing anonymously gives traction to the tyrant's claim that you are doing something wrong.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

We are the ones that through the county to the state to the fed give authority, that includes all courts.

Once, I said, the older must flush out the foul for the younger. I am one of the older.

I love life and freedom. Either is not acceptable without the other.

 

[AuH20]

Dsiturbing to say the least but far from surprisingly. The feds have been stacking their agencies with "like-minded" people over the years:

I have a friend who is high up in the A.T.F. (special agent in charge of a large state. He gets picked up on occasion by a black hawk to get to work). He is pro gun and pro 2nd amendment. I asked him what he and his people would do if they were ever tasked with confiscation of peoples guns, shooting those who resist and prosecution/imprisonment of those who survived. He looked me straight in the eye and said he would obey his orders and do his job. He said he would feel bad for anyone who resisted but it would not deter him from doing his job. I asked him if it would set off a civil war and he said the media would just spin it as the A.T.F. taking out radicals and domestic terrorists, which is how he would spin it to his men on the ground going through the doors and windows at 4 in the morning. He said the public would thank him and his men for keeping them safe from radicals and domestic terrorists with guns and give him and his men medals and bonuses. I believe he is telling me the truth. When they offer confidential informants and whistle blowers rewards for information on those who have "illegal" guns lots of friends and family will be glad for their 30 pieces of silver.

 

[Tod]

And there might also, then, be a case where a sheriff got sprung...

Doesn't that assume that we know where they were spirited off to?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Dsiturbing to say the least but far from surprisingly. The feds have been stacking their agencies with "like-minded" people over the years:

I have a friend who is high up in the A.T.F. (special agent in charge of a large state. He gets picked up on occasion by a black hawk to get to work). He is pro gun and pro 2nd amendment. I asked him what he and his people would do if they were ever tasked with confiscation of peoples guns, shooting those who resist and prosecution/imprisonment of those who survived. He looked me straight in the eye and said he would obey his orders and do his job. He said he would feel bad for anyone who resisted but it would not deter him from doing his job. I asked him if it would set off a civil war and he said the media would just spin it as the A.T.F. taking out radicals and domestic terrorists, which is how he would spin it to his men on the ground going through the doors and windows at 4 in the morning. He said the public would thank him and his men for keeping them safe from radicals and domestic terrorists with guns and give him and his men medals and bonuses. I believe he is telling me the truth. When they offer confidential informants and whistle blowers rewards for information on those who have "illegal" guns lots of friends and family will be glad for their 30 pieces of silver.

I would think that this would be common knowledge at this point.

Of course that is what will happen, I have no doubt in my mind at all.

Especially when they, the FedCoats, will be the only ones with food and fuel and some currency of some sort.

If it goes to full scale guerrilla warfare, the task of the system's opposition will be to make life untenable for Boobus, to put him cold, hungry and in the dark by any and all means available.

He will swallow the system's propaganda hook line and sinker at first, and ruthlessly denounce to the government anyone suspected of being a "terrorist" or radical and causing him to lose his ball games, his McMansion and fuel for his truck, and that includes family members.

But if the opposition can keep up the pressure, can continue to monkey wrench supply lines, power and information grids, fuel and food supplies and all the other exposed ganglia of "modern" living for about six months or so, (maybe much less if modern collapses such as New Orleans after Katrina or areas of NY/NJ after Sandy are a lesson) then a problem arises for the system.

Boobus starts to blame the system just as much as the "radicals", starts to question the system's propaganda, since, obviously, the system does not have the situation under control and will not soon "crush the last nests of poisonous, anti-government vipers and reactionaries".

Boobus starts to get antsy, starts raising hell with the system about how "He's got no job, his kids are hungry, it's cold, my sail-fawn won't work, why can't you get things back in order?"

Then a few Boobus' maybe start throwing rocks and bottles at a government food truck convoy, delivering steaks and caviar to the ruling class in one of their underground bunkers.

The systems responds in the only way it knows how to: by gunning them down en masse. They then announce a new "crackdown", words to the effect "that any person interfering with government food supplies will be shot on sight".

Now Boobus is pissed and doesn't really care, since now it is the system that is the target of his ire.

Now the system has millions and millions and millions of Boobus to feed, clothe, house and keep out of trouble. Or kill. It's all the same to them.

Point is, that is when a resistance movement can make it's move, and start to claim victory, as the system teeters and collapses and becomes increasingly tyrannical in ways that Boobus can see and understand. That is when you make your move to recruit "right thinking" Boobus' into your effort, that will increase the monkey wrenching and hamstringing and internal espionage, when you can get more "inside men" pushing the system down from the inside.

And one upside is that, with a population as spoiled and lazy as this one is, a resistance movement will not need to resort to the measures that, say the Vietcong or IRA had to with a much tougher population to try and intimidate.

 

[Captain Shays]

The New Jersey militia would fell trees along transportation routes of the Hessians and Redcoats to impede their progress. During the night, they would stealthily locate the stores of gun power and poke holes in the roof on rainy nights to get it wet and make it useless.
The Swiss are trained to take out the officers first. They have a militia style of defense that is comprised of marksmen and all of them are trained to take out officers first.
During the German occupation of France, the French were disarmed. Some had single shot guns that were small enough to conceal. They would get a beautiful woman to approach a Greman soldier and ask him to light her cigarette. As he was distracted, she would use the single shot gun to shoot that soldier, then, she would grab his military weapon. That is one way the French armed their resistence.

Military experts know that when fighting a guerilla war, they need at least 15 regulars, but more like 100 to equal 1 guerilla soldier. The guerillas usually know the terrain better, they know where to hit and hide or hit and run.

We can't do this by ourselves. We need to link up with other like minded friends who are prepared to put up a resistence. It will be easy like it was after Katrina to go into a house with one, two, three, four, or five family members when the National Guard has 20-100 all dressed up in riot gear. But if we have 50-100 ready for them, we can overtake them and get their weapons.

Don't rely on electronic means of communication. It will be cut off or monitored. Be careful who you trust. Gangs in the city could be valuable allies as well as the local sherrif and former military personel.
Our government has already declared war on our liberties, our Constitution and on us. Those who defend the Constitution are put on watch lists and considered "dangerous".
We will be lumped in with terrorists and violent gangs. That is the truth.

Dangerous because they favor defending their freedom and their life? Dangerous even though, none are advocating agression or crimes against the Constitution? YES

I am not advocating overthrowing the government or some sort of revolution. I am only predicating my response on EVERY human being's right to defend his own life and the lives of his family. Since our government has declared war on all those who advocate for liberty and who talk about the Constitution, they have become our greatest threat. A threat that we have every right to DEFEND ourselves from. But none of us can do it on our own.

 

[tod evans]

I enjoy living, but I am NOBODY'S bitch.

Words to live by!

 

[tod evans]

This. I believe we might see a case soon were a pro-liberty sheriff is brought up on bogus federal charges to make an 'example' of them.

As much as I despise these weak lilly-livered SOB's that whore themselves out to support laws I disagree with I will stand and fight for them in an instance such as this.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Where do you get this number?

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-ne...othing-makes-you-invisible-to-drones_01112013

In early 2012 the U.S. Congress authorized the FAA Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Improvement Act. Within this bill is a provision calling for the deployment of some 30,000 robotic drones over the skies of America by 2015, arguably the boldest overt domestic surveillance initiative to have ever been introduced in the land of the free. With an average of some 600 drones allocated per state, this future network of highly advanced surveillance systems promises to give law enforcement, military and intelligence assets unprecedented video and audio access into the lives of every single American.

 

[Deborah K]

Dsiturbing to say the least but far from surprisingly. The feds have been stacking their agencies with "like-minded" people over the years:

I have a friend who is high up in the A.T.F. (special agent in charge of a large state. He gets picked up on occasion by a black hawk to get to work). He is pro gun and pro 2nd amendment. I asked him what he and his people would do if they were ever tasked with confiscation of peoples guns, shooting those who resist and prosecution/imprisonment of those who survived. He looked me straight in the eye and said he would obey his orders and do his job. He said he would feel bad for anyone who resisted but it would not deter him from doing his job. I asked him if it would set off a civil war and he said the media would just spin it as the A.T.F. taking out radicals and domestic terrorists, which is how he would spin it to his men on the ground going through the doors and windows at 4 in the morning. He said the public would thank him and his men for keeping them safe from radicals and domestic terrorists with guns and give him and his men medals and bonuses. I believe he is telling me the truth. When they offer confidential informants and whistle blowers rewards for information on those who have "illegal" guns lots of friends and family will be glad for their 30 pieces of silver.

I wonder what this "friend" would have said if asked why he would violate his oath to the Constitution over taking orders from tyrants.