How the North Dakota GOP is freezing out Trump

cruz got 20 of his people in and trump may have gotten zero. LoLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOO.

Cruz is bitch slapping Trump like the red headed step child he is all over the place in the ground game. Louisiana, Colorado, Tennessee. I hope Soouth Carolina unbinds its delegates on the first round since they are all Cruz people too.. Ahahahahahahahaha. Trump may have something like 1100 delegates going into the convention and 1000 of them will vote for Cruz in ROUND 2......Time to drop out Trumpy


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My informal breakdown:

20 Cruz/NeverTrump
2 Gov/First Lady
2 Unknown
1 Trump/Kasich/highest bidder

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Glad Trump got Zero, but who's laughing about Cruz? I'm not. Nothing funny about where Cruz stands when it comes to the Constitution. Anyone on this forum supporting Cruz for any reason is spitting on the Constitution.

The Fourth Amendment

In May of 2015, Rand Paul led the fight to block renewal of the Patriot Act, which among other things violated the Fourth Amendment by allowing the NSA to collect metadata in bulk. The re-authorization of the Patriot Act was presented in the form of the USA Freedom Act (which Cruz supported), which while an improvementdid not sufficiently protect the Fourth Amendment. On this issue, Paul stood resolute while Cruz continued the status-quo in the name of compromise.

The Tenth Amendment

Rand Paul has been consistent in his belief that, in accordance with the enumerated powers and the Tenth Amendment, states are allowed to formulate their own drug policies. Ted Cruz, on the other hand, has been wishy-washy. He currently supports state authority on the marijuana issue, butpreviously blasted*President Obama for not enforcing federal drug laws. Mark this down as a flip-flop for Cruz.

The Second Amendment

Rand Paul has always been a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. For the most part, Ted Cruz has been as well. However, Cruz did demonstrate some weakness on the issue when he*proposedstrengthening*the federal background check system, which is unconstitutional.

The Fourteenth*Amendment

If one is to read the Constitution according to original intent, which is the honest method, then the purpose and meaning of the authors must be considered the final word. As Rand Paul mentioned during the presidential debate, the authors of the birthright citizenship never intended for it to apply to illegal aliens.*He is correct. However, Ted Cruz has adopted a revisionist reading that was likely taught to him in law school.*According to Cruz, birthright citizenship applies to illegal aliens, despite the intentions of the authors.

Treaty*Clause

Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution contains the Treaty Clause. It makes clear that 2/3 of Senators must agree to treaties to secure passage. On the issue of Trade Promotion Authority, or TPA, Rand Paul was opposed on the grounds that it ceded Congressional power to the President. On the other hand, Cruz*strongly campaignedfor TPA both in theory and in practice (he only voted against the final bill due to amendments that were added). TPA flagrantly violates the Treaty Clause, as it removes the 2/3 majority requirement and instead requires only a simple majority for passage. Supporters of TPA would argue that it doesn’t facilitate treaties but international agreements. Such arguments are dishonest at best. Any agreements with foreign countries*must be considered treaties.

Treason Clause

As Rand Paul has pointed out, we should try people for treason, as it is one of the four federal crimes spelled out in the Constitution. The Treaty Clause says that “No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.” But Ted Cruz has introduced a bill that would strip the citizenship of U.S. citizens who join ISIS. On the surface that sounds reasonable, however the question at hand is procedure. When in doubt, following the Constitution is the best option, and it already spells out how to deal with those who join the enemy.
http://theconservatarianreview.com/...stronger-than-the-constitution-than-ted-cruz/
 
Donald Trump should be the Ron Paul movement's revenge against the GOP, but instead we have a bunch of nutless-wonder stokholm-babies cheerleading on the side of the GOP establishment...

None of them would vote for Cruz. He is the least favorite among the establishment after Trump - and not because he isn't a sell out - see what his wife Heidi has done, but because they don't like pulling the religious string when they can help it.

You can immediately expect the mormon vote to defect in block. And Kasich is there for a reason - so it goes to the next rounds and other candidates we don't even know.

No, a brokered convention the establishment runs is not a desirable outcome for any libertarian. It would be if it were for Ron Paul, but it isn't. I'm amazed to see anyone support it on the forums, almost as much as I am for support for a communist - Sanders.

There is nothing more dangerous than a fool in a position of leadership. In the world of politics trump borders on being retarded. No one knows hos position because he doesn't really have any. We cant let this idiot take over the revolution. The revolution will be instantly discredited. Better to have a sellout like Cruz who still maintains some core beliefs
 
Donald Trump should be the Ron Paul movement's revenge against the GOP, but instead we have a bunch of nutless-wonder stokholm-babies cheerleading on the side of the GOP establishment...

Glad Trump got Zero, but who's laughing about Cruz? I'm not. Nothing funny about where Cruz stands when it comes to the Constitution. Anyone on this forum supporting Cruz for any reason is spitting on the Constitution.

The Fourth Amendment

In May of 2015, Rand Paul led the fight to block renewal of the Patriot Act, which among other things violated the Fourth Amendment by allowing the NSA to collect metadata in bulk. The re-authorization of the Patriot Act was presented in the form of the USA Freedom Act (which Cruz supported), which while an improvementdid not sufficiently protect the Fourth Amendment. On this issue, Paul stood resolute while Cruz continued the status-quo in the name of compromise.

The Tenth Amendment

Rand Paul has been consistent in his belief that, in accordance with the enumerated powers and the Tenth Amendment, states are allowed to formulate their own drug policies. Ted Cruz, on the other hand, has been wishy-washy. He currently supports state authority on the marijuana issue, butpreviously blasted*President Obama for not enforcing federal drug laws. Mark this down as a flip-flop for Cruz.

The Second Amendment

Rand Paul has always been a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. For the most part, Ted Cruz has been as well. However, Cruz did demonstrate some weakness on the issue when he*proposedstrengthening*the federal background check system, which is unconstitutional.

The Fourteenth*Amendment

If one is to read the Constitution according to original intent, which is the honest method, then the purpose and meaning of the authors must be considered the final word. As Rand Paul mentioned during the presidential debate, the authors of the birthright citizenship never intended for it to apply to illegal aliens.*He is correct. However, Ted Cruz has adopted a revisionist reading that was likely taught to him in law school.*According to Cruz, birthright citizenship applies to illegal aliens, despite the intentions of the authors.

Treaty*Clause

Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution contains the Treaty Clause. It makes clear that 2/3 of Senators must agree to treaties to secure passage. On the issue of Trade Promotion Authority, or TPA, Rand Paul was opposed on the grounds that it ceded Congressional power to the President. On the other hand, Cruz*strongly campaignedfor TPA both in theory and in practice (he only voted against the final bill due to amendments that were added). TPA flagrantly violates the Treaty Clause, as it removes the 2/3 majority requirement and instead requires only a simple majority for passage. Supporters of TPA would argue that it doesn’t facilitate treaties but international agreements. Such arguments are dishonest at best. Any agreements with foreign countries*must be considered treaties.

Treason Clause

As Rand Paul has pointed out, we should try people for treason, as it is one of the four federal crimes spelled out in the Constitution. The Treaty Clause says that “No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.” But Ted Cruz has introduced a bill that would strip the citizenship of U.S. citizens who join ISIS. On the surface that sounds reasonable, however the question at hand is procedure. When in doubt, following the Constitution is the best option, and it already spells out how to deal with those who join the enemy.
http://theconservatarianreview.com/...stronger-than-the-constitution-than-ted-cruz/

Rand was right, Cruz was wrong on all the issues you brought up. Cruz is a weasel no doubt but he's far better than trump. Plus rand, Massie and Amash and lee can all work with him and find some common ground. We have no common ground with kasich
 
Donald Trump should be the Ron Paul movement's revenge against the GOP, but instead we have a bunch of nutless-wonder stokholm-babies cheerleading on the side of the GOP establishment...

That's what you think Ron Paul is?
 
That's what you think Ron Paul is?

The "Ron Paul movement" is all the people that Ron Paul recently energized for freedom.

Ron himself may not see the value in what Donald Trump is accomplishing, but it's pretty obvious, and people should learn to think for themselves a little more as well.
 
Ron himself may not see the value in what Donald Trump is accomplishing, but it's pretty obvious, and people should learn to think for themselves a little more as well.

I think he knows exactly what Trump is accomplishing, and it's you who don't.

But let's say you're right about him. Does that really make him a nutless-wonder stokholm-babies cheerleading on the side of the GOP establishment?
 
I think he knows exactly what Trump is accomplishing, and it's you who don't.

But let's say you're right about him. Does that really make him a nutless-wonder stokholm-babies cheerleading on the side of the GOP establishment?

I would not call him a "nutless-wonder", but I do believe that he is a little... hamstrung by his own principles, in this case.
 
I would not call him a "nutless-wonder", but I do believe that he is a little... hamstrung by his own principles, in this case.

You already did call him that.

His principles are the whole point. The reason you like Trump is because you have principles that are totally opposite to Ron Paul's, as well as the man depicted in your avatar.
 
That doesn't sound like what's happening in North Dakota - according to the article you posted.

I have read that is taking place elsewhere, however - so we'll see. I think they will be making a yuge mistake though, if Trump wins 1237 yet they broker the convention. If his rallies are any indication, it could get ugly.

Define "mistake". Say Trump runs third party and the Hillary coasts to the election. What is the result? Open borders is codified in law and the US gets tens of millions (and eventually hundreds of millions) of new low wage labor. War with Russia. And finally a President with the "balls" to liquidate those troublesome Christians and Conservatives. From the perspective of the GOPe, that is a pretty sweet "mistake".
 
If all this fails and Trump becomes the nominee, we're going to have to put the electoral college to use for the first time, which is messier.

So, Godspeed North Dakota GOP, Godspeed
 
You already did call him that.

His principles are the whole point. The reason you like Trump is because you have principles that are totally opposite to Ron Paul's, as well as the man depicted in your avatar.

I think the people who follow Ron blindly are the nutless-wonders.

Ron has more than earned the right to be as cantankerous and obstinate as he wants.

None of this changes the fact that a Donald Trump Presidency will do more harm to the globalists than anything else that is even remotely possible at this point.
 
None of this changes the fact that a Donald Trump Presidency will do more harm to the globalists than anything else that is even remotely possible at this point.

I don't even know if that's true, or how you could possibly be so confident of it. But even if it is true, there are a dozen other terrible things Trump would do that are bigger deals than that.
 
I don't even know if that's true, or how you could possibly be so confident of it. But even if it is true, there are a dozen other terrible things Trump would do that are bigger deals than that.

Stockholm syndrome.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.
 
Donald Trump should be the Ron Paul movement's revenge against the GOP, but instead we have a bunch of nutless-wonder stokholm-babies cheerleading on the side of the GOP establishment...

Trump would murder the hero in your avatar.

You can support Trump and authoritarianism or Snowden and freedom. One of the other.
 
a Donald Trump Presidency will do more harm to the globalists than anything else that is even remotely possible at this point.

Would you define "globalism" please? What are its goals?

And what do you expect Trump to do to fight it?
 
Trump would murder the hero in your avatar.

You can support Trump and authoritarianism or Snowden and freedom. One of the other.

This has been pointed out repeatedly to Petar over several days. He just keeps ignoring the point and has never responded as far as I've seen. Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch.
 
Trump would murder the hero in your avatar.

You can support Trump and authoritarianism or Snowden and freedom. One of the other.

Trump is the wrecking-ball that severely threatens the globalist cabal.

Being that we are in an existential war, I am going to say that running the risk of "breaking some eggs" certainly is acceptable.

Once Trump actually gets elected, that is when libertarians can focus on useful things like protecting Snowden.

Would you define "globalism" please? What are its goals?

And what do you expect Trump to do to fight it?

"Globalism" is the agenda put forth by the CFR and the whole cabal behind it.

Its purpose is to bankrupt the USA through endless spending/military-action, and ultimately absorb it into an internationalist, collectivist system.

The simple fact that Donald Trump is a "nativist" who wants to put the interests of the United States first, makes him a massive threat to the whole charade.

Going after trade-deals and self-sabotaging military policies makes him revolutionary in that sense.

This has been pointed out repeatedly to Petar over several days. He just keeps ignoring the point and has never responded as far as I've seen. Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch.

Make America great again.
 
The simple fact that Donald Trump is a "nativist" who wants to put the interests of the United States first, makes him a massive threat to the whole charade.

Going after trade-deals and self-sabotaging military policies makes him revolutionary in that sense.

If you think trade deals are bankrupting the US, you're mistaken; but a 45% tariff would certainly go a long way to bankrupting the US.

As for foreign policy, Trump is well within the bipartisan consensus. His advisors are neocons and other establishment types. Whatever he claims now, he was for the 2003 Iraq War. He praised Hillary as Secretary of State in 2012, after the Libyan War the previous year (which, like the Iraq War, he has since decided he opposed :rolleyes:). He's as aggressive re ISIS and Iran as anyone. He's as pro-Israel as anyone. He's the most aggressive toward China of anyone. He's not talking about cutting military spending. In essence, he's Hillary Clinton on foreign policy, which makes sense considering he comes from the same background. His rhetoric is occasionally less psychotically aggressive than the average GOPer's (and occasionally even more psychotically aggressive...), but so it goes with Democrats. The substance of the policy is the same.

And, if we're talking about bankrupting the US, why limit the conversation to trade and foreign policy?

The thing which will really bankrupt the US is domestic welfare. Trump has explicitly said that he opposes any cuts in entitlements. He's been for single-payer socialized medicine for decades; amazingly, he's still praising socialized medicine while running in the GOP primary (if not exactly advocating it; he's very vague about his actual plan). He was for the bank and auto bailouts; he was for the Fed's easy money policies. And on and on. Again, he's Hillary Clinton.
 
If you think trade deals are bankrupting the US, you're mistaken; but a 45% tariff would certainly go a long way to bankrupting the US.

As for foreign policy, Trump is well within the bipartisan consensus. His advisors are neocons and other establishment types. Whatever he claims now, he was for the 2003 Iraq War. He praised Hillary as Secretary of State in 2012, after the Libyan War the previous year (which, like the Iraq War, he has since decided he opposed :rolleyes:). He's as aggressive re ISIS and Iran as anyone. He's as pro-Israel as anyone. He's the most aggressive toward China of anyone. He's not talking about cutting military spending. In essence, he's Hillary Clinton on foreign policy, which makes sense considering he comes from the same background. His rhetoric is occasionally less psychotically aggressive than the average GOPer's (and occasionally even more psychotically aggressive...), but so it goes with Democrats. The substance of the policy is the same.

And, if we're talking about bankrupting the US, why limit the conversation to trade and foreign policy?

The thing which will really bankrupt the US is domestic welfare. Trump has explicitly said that he opposes any cuts in entitlements. He's been for single-payer socialized medicine for decades; amazingly, he's still praising socialized medicine while running in the GOP primary (if not exactly advocating it; he's very vague about his actual plan). He was for the bank and auto bailouts; he was for the Fed's easy money policies. And on and on. Again, he's Hillary Clinton.

Trade-deals are part and parcel with the whole globalist agenda - as is the US military empire.

I'm less concerned with the particulars of his ill-defined plans, and more enthralled by the fact that he at least wants to negotiate from the perspective of putting America first.

That is the basic component that is lacking from every single other mainstream candidate - these people simply want to play ball.

I don't care if he brings chaos, because the table just needs to be turned over at this point.

Existential warfare can necessarily be very messy at times.

Also, he's the only guy that at least acknowledges the insanity of arming ISIS; threatening Russia for wanting to do the work of destroying them; and is threatening to release the 28 redacted pages of the 9-11 commission report.

The guy is not Hillary Clinton or any of the other establishment players, and the fact that they are all coalescing against him should serve as some kind of a clue for you.
 
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