How Paul can WIN the N.C. Primary! Dems and Indies will be ticket!

[phill4paul]

In N.C., Amendment One (the amendment to the state Constitution to ban gay marriage), will be bring tens of thousands of Dems and Indies to the polls in opposition.
Regardless of your personal beliefs about the amendment this is an excellent opportunity to get these individuals to vote for Paul. Most of these individuals normally would not take the time to go to the polls to vote in the Republican primaries, yet this time around they will be there for this vote.
Since they are going to be there it is important that we reach out to this voter population and get them to vote Paul while they are there.

Let's see what we can brainstorm to reach out to this demographic and secure as many of there votes for Paul as possible.

Some things I can think of:

Reaching out to Blue Democrats.
Expressing the importance of Paul as an anti-war candidate.
Expressing the importance of voting Paul over the status quo Republican as a way of 'hedging the bet' in the event of an Obama loss.

I think this could make a huge difference in the results. Since Dems are not going to cast a vote in the Dem primary then we may as well convince them to cast one for Paul in the Rep one. Bonus in N.C. is that they will not have to change their affiliation.

 

[phill4paul]

This may be a tough sell but I believe it is workable.

On the negative (from the Amendment One perspective) Ron absolutely believes that states have the right to propose such an amendment.

"Because of the dangers to liberty and traditional values posed by the unexpected consequences of amending the Constitution to strip power from the states and the people and further empower Washington, I cannot in good conscience support the marriage amendment to the United States Constitution. Instead, I plan to continue working to enact the Marriage Protection Act and protect each state's right not to be forced to recognize a same sex marriage."

"The inference here about [gay] marriage... [the founding fathers] never addressed it. There's no federal authority, no federal government authority, no constitutional authority to deal with those problems. There are no prohibitions for the states to do it, so that is perfectly alright."

However, on the positive side ( regarding Gay rights) Ron is quite adamant that the federal government has no authority regarding the matter and would not support a Federal Constitution Amendment banning same sex marriage.

Voted AGAINST the 2006 Marriage Protection Act (H.J. Res. 88), which proposed an amendment to the Constitution that would ban gay marriage.

"Marriage only came about, and getting licenses only came about in recent history for health reasons... [I believe] that marriage is a church function, it's not a state function, I don't think you need a license to get married."

"All rights are individuals. We do not get our rights because we belong to a group, whether it's homosexual, women, minorities - it leads us astray. So it's much more important to understand that all individuals have the right to their life, if they do no harm you don't try to do a whole lot about it. If you want to change people, you change them through persuasion, through family values and church values. But you can't do it through legislation because force doesn't work... A group can't force themselves on anybody else. So there should be no affirmative action for any group, so if a homosexual group wanted to enforce their way on us, there's no right to do that either."

Might be a tough sell but I believe many might be swayed. Hmmmmmm.

 

[jacque]

Thanks Phill. We need to work on this now. Are you coming to the event on Oct 7 in Greenville?

 

[phill4paul]

I'll try MommaFreedom. Things are in flux right now with a job change and possible move, but if I get the chance I would sure love to.

 

[joelfarm]

About the gay marriage issue, sad, but the opposition will point out the above info about Dr. Paul's position and try to spin it against him. As you know many of our fellow
Republicans are suckers for this type of hot button issue and are blind when it comes to this. I guess that is where polling voters helps.

 

[MozoVote]

Democrats cannot vote in the Republican primary in N.C. and I think the registration deadline in Jan 31 to attend the conventions.

So, Paul's numbers will boild down to Indy's and some of the GOP.

Paul got around 7% of the vote in 2008 here, and 3% in South Carolina. Whatever he gets in SC he can probably double here... but I don't think a win is reachable. The mainstream GOP really does fall in line pretty well with what the leadership wants.

 

[Imrys]

Just registered here and happy to some some activity since last night.

I am in Jacksonville, NC. I have never gotten involved in this, and to my shame, havent even actually voted and I am 27 years old. I would like to change this. I am a very informed voter at this point and cant begin to imagine how anyone adequately informed could conceivably vote for anyone other than Dr. Paul at this point, especially in light of the other 'offerings.'

I am looking for information and am hoping it will be easier to just ask.

First, can Independants / Unaffiliated vote in the NC primary, or do I need to change to Repub (from unaffiliated)?

Second, whats the best way I can find people or an organization in my local area that is working to drum up support for RP2012? I have some time I can volunteer, but have no idea what there might be to do, how I can help or anything. Please point me in a direction. I am reasonably intelligent and capable, and if nothing else, I will start walking around and talking to people, but I cant help feeling there would be a more efficient and productive way to use my time. Thanks!

Third, is NC a "caucus" state where delegates are awarded proportionately? I was not born or raised here and have only lived here a little over a year, and again, to my shame, and only just now getting "into" this stuff.


Lastly, on this issue that Phil brought up, I dont think its a 'hard' sell at all. You can point out to these indies that show up for Amendment 1, that this is a chance to influence the Republican nomination to ensure that, even if pro-gay Obama loses, at least traditional-marriage Paul wouldnt use Federal powers to meddle in their personal life. A vote at the Repub caucus is not a Primary vote, and the initial "sell" can be along those lines. From that point, its not hard to pick out the indie's that would jump on board RPs other points on Liberty, just by finding those who showed interest initially. Those that show initial interest would probably also respond to the 'end senseless wars' readily, and with some additionaly information could probably get behind the End the Fed.

Mostly I think we need to get connected and directed. Does RP have an 'office' set up in NC? If not, can we just set one up and inform him of it and ask for direction? We can start recruiting / fund raising / informing right now.

 

[jacque]

Imyrs. Indys can vote in the primary here in NC. When you get to the polls, your get to pick Dem or Rep. It is a primary not a caucus. I don't know if you are on FB or not. There is a very active group in Farmville, near Greenville. Ron Paul was the keynote speaker at a fundraiser for Walter Jones last October. There is another good size group in Wilmington. GunnyFreedom and I went for their Ron Paul kickoff last year.

Just let me know and I can try to find more groups in the east.

Check this out. There are a few people close to you. http://ronpaulcountry.com/launch?name=Vance+County+&province=North+Carolina&distance%5Bpostal_code%5D=27536&distance%5Bsearch_distance%5D=50&distance%5Bsearch_units%5D=mile

Freedom Mom.

 

[Imrys]

I saw that map, but I dont get how to contact people from it.

The Wilmington 'group' is plenty close to me, any contact info for them?

Thanks so much for the response! Does NC not being a caucus mean its sort of "all or nothing" state where there is one winner and they get all the delegates?

 

[MozoVote]

Get registered as a Republican before Jan 31. Only Republicans can attend the county convention, district convention, or state convention.

Being an independent that votes in the primary, is not nearly as influential as attending the conventions as a Republican delegate.

 

[Imrys]

K, and can that be done at the DMV like when I got my NC Drivers Liscense, or do I have to do the mail in thing I researched a few weeks ago? Also, is there a Repub NC site or something where I can find the dates of these Conventions so as to attend at least a couple of them?

Thanks so much for the help with this stuff.

 

[MozoVote]

Party affiliation is part of your voter registration. It's not a biggie and you can switch back to unaffiliated if you want to after the conventions and primaries are over.

Check your county Republican website or e-mail list, they'll announce the process there. Technically you have to attend the "precinct meeting" first, but sometimes the party consolidates that meeting with the county convention, instead of holding it beforehand.

You go to the precinct meeting, add your name to the paperwork there as someone that wants to attend the other conventions. Just say yes to all of them, even if you're not sure right away. You cannot add your name later!!

Get plugged in with some of the local grassroots people in your county. Even meeting one person who has been through the process in the 2008 campaign will help answer many questions.

 

[jacque]

I saw that map, but I dont get how to contact people from it.

The Wilmington 'group' is plenty close to me, any contact info for them?

Thanks so much for the response! Does NC not being a caucus mean its sort of "all or nothing" state where there is one winner and they get all the delegates?

The rules changed this year. Each candidate gets the percent of delegates equal to the vote percent they got in the primary.

MozoVote is correct though. If you want to make a BIG difference, you need to get involved in the party. Become a delegate and cast your vote at the state convention.

I will find the group in Wilmington and get that info for you.

Freedom Mom

 

[jacque]

I saw that map, but I dont get how to contact people from it.

The Wilmington 'group' is plenty close to me, any contact info for them?

Thanks so much for the response! Does NC not being a caucus mean its sort of "all or nothing" state where there is one winner and they get all the delegates?

Here is the Ron Paul Wilmington Group..

http://www.meetup.com/wilmingtonliberty/