Rick Santorum How Opus Dei Influenced Rick Santorum

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And I thought Mormon garments were weird!:rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/opus-dei-influenced-rick-santorum-201937160.html

Rick Santorum sent two of his sons to a Washington, D.C. all-boys school affiliated with Opus Dei, the Catholic group whose members were portrayed as sinisterly weird in the sensationalistic Da Vinci Code but in reality only engage in some mild self-mutilation, "nothing traumatic," as the group's website says. Santorum says he's not a member of Opus Dei, though he did go to Rome in 2002 to celebrate the 100th anniversary of its founding, and he belongs to the St. Catherine of Siena Parish, "a favorite of Opus Dei," the Washington Post says. Opus Dei has about 90,000 members, a third of which are "numeraries" who are celibate for life and wear a cilice -- a garter belt with spikes turned toward the skin -- every day. (The group is often criticized as elitist, but you can find a "three link, 1mm gauge, full-leg metal cilice with metal fastener" on sale for an affordable $69.) It might seem unfair to criticize Santorum for his religious affiliations, but Santorum wouldn't think so. He convincingly argued it was okay in December 2007, after Mitt Romney delivered a speech on his Mormon faith. "[Romney's] supporters say it is akin to rejecting a Barack Obama because he is black," Santorum wrote for the Philadelphia Inquirer. "But Obama was born black; Romney is a Mormon because he accepts the beliefs of the Mormon faith. This permits us, therefore, to make inferences about his judgment and character, good or bad."
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The New York Times' Mark Oppenheimer reports that many prominent conservative Catholics involved in politics send their kids to The Heights School, which is not run by Opus Dei, Oppenheimer reports. Instead, the group appoints "appoints the school chaplain and provides to the faculty a traditional reading of Catholicism to teach students." Sex ed is abstinence-only. That's a relief to many parents, Oppenheimer reports:
Linda Maher, the school’s director of communications, sent her three sons to The Heights. Where the mothers at her sons’ swim team practice “would put condoms in their sons’ Christmas stockings,” The Heights mothers were different.
Urban legends about the depravity of the secular world spread like viruses through a lot of religious communities. The spreaders are apparently so insulated from outsiders that they don't know that most secular people would find the idea of a mom giving her son condoms for Christmas to be extremely creepy. Some of that isolation is on display when Santorum says things that show a way of thinking pretty unfamiliar to most Americans. Example: On birth control: "lt's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." Another example, from Santorum's 2007 essay on Romney's religion:
Would the potential attraction to Mormonism by simply having a Mormon in the White House threaten traditional Christianity by leading more Americans to a church that some Christians believe misleadingly calls itself Christian, is an active missionary church, and a dangerous cult?
If that sounds a bit inflammatory, don't worry, Santorum explained that he's quite tolerant of Romney's faith. He writes, "I'm more concerned about losing our children to jihadis or a materialistic culture than losing them to Mormonism." It's not clear whether he meant to equate conspicuous consumption with terrorism, but he did once compare the Massachusetts' state supreme court's approval of gay marriage to 9/11.
 
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Fundamentalist Christians... that still live in the middle ages and think there`s a holy war going on with muslims. Crusader Santorum ftw!
 
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I've got nothing against the Opus Dei,many of my family members are part of it. It's not a cult.

I myself prefer the Society of St. Pius X.
 
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Fundamentalist Christians... that still live in the middle ages and think there`s a holy war going on with muslims. Crusader Santorum ftw!

Roman Catholics and fundamentalists are almost entirely opposite movements. Fudamentalists, and sometimes protestants in general get labeled by some RC-ers prejudicially as "bible thumpers" because they believe in using the Bible alone, rather than decrees from the pope.

Santorum is not by any stretch a fundamentalist.

See the following for examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism
The term "fundamentalism" was originally coined by its supporters to describe a specific package of theological beliefs that developed into a movement within the Protestant community of the United States in the early part of the 20th century, and that had its roots in the Fundamentalist–Modernist Controversy of that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

See also Magisterium (vs born again believers being able to read the Holy Bible themselves)
- has a long history, even in translating the Bible into the common languages.

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church: "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him."[2]
 
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"Opus Dei has about 90,000 members, a third of which are "numeraries" who are celibate for life and wear a cilice -- a garter belt with spikes turned toward the skin -- every day."

This kind of thing, along with the award for Sandusky - later charged with pedophily during the same time period, the justifying pedophile priest comments, and bringing a dead premature baby back home, all show the same poor judgement as given towards children.

In particular, I've heard that Sandusky and Santorum may have run in the same politicals circles, so there may be more of that story later.
 
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I went to the exact same type of high school as the heights, and many of the teachers were numeraries. I know several members of Opus Dei, and a lot of them are good guys that are anti war and have strong liberty leanings. While I would not be a member of Opus Dei, I don't think it is what's influencing Santorums insansity. Frankly, he is a joke of a Catholic. If he was as ardent of a Catholic as he proclaims to be, he should read the just war theory and realize his vehement propensity for violence is unfounded in the Catholic Faith.
 
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This is a close-up of a cilice as used by members of Opus Dei. As you can see, it's not really a "spike" meant to cause serious harm, just some slight discomfort.
 
This is a close-up of a cilice as used by members of Opus Dei. As you can see, it's not really a "spike" meant to cause serious harm, just some slight discomfort.

Yeah people really exaggerate and make it seem like some sadistic cult.
 
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This is a close-up of a cilice as used by members of Opus Dei. As you can see, it's not really a "spike" meant to cause serious harm, just some slight discomfort.
As libertarians say:
As long as they don't hurt anyone else, it's none of my business.
 
From an organization made of former members of Opus Dei - on the founder, but you can find other things on the site:

http://www.odan.org/corporal_mortification.htm

"Blessed be pain. Loved be pain. Sanctified be pain. . . Glorified be pain!" (The Way, 208)

"No ideal becomes a reality without sacrifice. Deny yourself. It is so beautiful to be a victim!" (The Way, 175)

"They [Opus Dei numeraries] shall maintain the pious custom, for the purpose of chastising the body and reducing it to servitude, of wearing a small cilice for at least two hours daily; once a week they shall take the disciplines as well as sleeping on the floor, providing that health is not affected." (Opus Dei Constituciones, article 147)

"To defend his purity, St. Francis of Assisi rolled in the snow, St. Benedict threw himself into a thornbush, St. Bernard plunged into an icy pond... You... what have you done?" (The Way, 143)

"What has been lost through the flesh, the flesh should pay back: be generous in your penance." (The Forge, 207)

"If you realize that your body is your enemy, and an enemy of God's glory since it is an enemy of your sanctification, why do you treat it so softly?" (The Way, 227)

"Your worst enemy is yourself." (The Way, 225)

"You have come to the apostolate to submit, to annihilate yourself, not to impose your own personal viewpoints." (The Way, 936)

Scary quotes. Reminds me of Thulsa Doom from the first Conan movie.
 
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More:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei#Critical_views
Critics state that Opus Dei is "intensely secretive"— for example, members generally do not disclose their affiliation with Opus Dei in public. Further, under the 1950 constitution, members were expressly forbidden to reveal themselves without the permission of their superiors.[16] This practice has led to much speculation about who may be a member.[16]

Organisation has supported many radical right-wing governments, such Francisco Francos, Augusto Pinochet and Alberto Fujimori of Peru.

There is too much of this stuff online. It's a organization that is explicitly secret until the 1950s, and involved in many right wing dictorship overthrows of foreign governments.

This is just not a normal organization.

And it is specifically this organization where Satorum is getting the idea that there shouldn't be a separation of church and state, and that Kennedy was wrong to say he wouldn't follow the orders of the pope or catholic prelate. Look it up - Santorum has said it dozens of times, but no one is paying attention.

google search on +kennedy +santorum
https://www.google.com/search?q=ken...W_enUS390US390&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7
 
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What you guys are talking about is NOT Christianity, it's insanity.
A Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ and accepts believes He is God.
Jesus taught us to love one another and do good to those who persecute us, He taught us to feed the hungry, befriend the friendless, cloth the naked, give to the poor. What Christ taught is what Christians are supposed to follow, anything more is just man made garbage.
 
My dad's godfather. And he was hardly a "radical".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco
Francisco Franco y Bahamonde (Spanish: [fɾanˈθisko ˈfɾaŋko]; 101 December 1892 – 20 November 1975) was a Spanish dictator, the (successful) leader of the right-wing Nationalist military rebellion in the Spanish Civil War,

This board tends to be more libertarian oriented than right wing dictator oriented. Just saying.

By the way, I have over 20-30 years experience digging up crude on everything from the federal government, to the CIA, mormons, the catholic church, judaism, cults and occults. The reaction is absolutely the same every time. Truth can't be truth. But facts are facts, and when they are well documented, can't be argued against.

PS: There is apparently more dirt with Opus Dei and specifically Francisco Franco if you want to look at it. Looks like murder squards specifically in Opus Dei's favor, but I haven't delved into it yet. Just saying since Franco was specifically denied - actually should be looked at closer.
 
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Wikipedia? Seriously?

Most of my family lived under Franco, he was a dictator, no doubt about it. But he was not a radical and life under him wasn't bad.
 
I suggest you all read this book on Opis Dei. You're all making it out to be some secretive evil cult, it's not.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0385514492

Opus Dei is "intensely secretive"— for example, members generally do not disclose their affiliation with Opus Dei in public. Further, under the 1950 constitution, members were expressly forbidden to reveal themselves without the permission of their superiors.[

The first thing you will find when dealing with any of the religious and political organizations or ones like them mentioned above is you will ENDLESSLY repeat the same facts over and over again, because some people will not be able to accept the facts. It doesn't matter how well sourced it is. It is as if they believe simply denying it will make it not true.

It's been a part of their constitution since they were founded. Opus Dei was founded a secret society.
 
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