How often do you eat healthy food?

[Stratovarious]

God I wish I wasn't addicted to these forums. It's like trying to teach special ed children, where there's never any real progress but we continue to go over the same things again and again and again like it's the first time we've ever seen it. But here, since you're apparently not into science and are into vidiot presentations, here:

And we know for a fact that something like this couldn't possibly be staged, never, no, no way....

 

[angelatc]

Depends on context. It's common for some produce to use the "organic" label as a scam, but WRT meat, dairy, and eggs, your food is as good as what you eat was fed and treated-so organic is worth a little more there.
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https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/

Further analysis of similar studies on livestock products like meat, dairy, and eggs also found few differences in nutritional content. Organic foods did, however, have higher levels of overall fats, particularly trans fats. So if anything, the organic livestock products were found to be worse for us (though, to be fair, barely).

 

[dannno]

If you enjoy biology and ecology...………

I still have to get the microbes and fungi editions.

Ya, see, what Angela doesn't understand is that all that stuff exists naturally in the soil. When you have farmers spraying their crops with chemicals and nothing else, after a certain amount of time their soil is depleted of all the natural bacterial goodness. But in the mean time, until it gets depleted, they get all the benefits. Over time, they have to start using more chemicals and the soil becomes less healthy.

I would prefer to buy my fruits and veggies from someone who knows how to take great care of their soil, but might not be certified organic (even though they may be 90-100% organic), than someone who is certified organic and cannot take care of their soil properly. But if you know nothing else other than one veggie is organic and the other isn't, then odds are the organic one is going to be healthier.

But Angela wonders why she is able to cherry pick some studies that show there isn't a lot of difference..

 

[donnay]

LMGTFY



https://www.planetnatural.com/bacillus-thuringiensis/





The links don't disprove what I said, what I said explains why there is misinformation in your links.

Bt toxin in GM plants is not the same as natural Bt toxin
The Bt toxin expressed by GM Bt plants is different from natural Bt, both in terms of its structure and its mode of action.1 Structurally, there is at least a 40% difference between the toxin in Bt176 maize (formerly commercialized in the EU, now withdrawn) and natural Bt toxin.2 The US Environmental Protection Agency, in its review of the commercialized Monsanto GM maize MON810, said it produced a “truncated” version of the protein – in other words, a much shorter form of the protein that is different from the natural form.3

Such changes in a protein can mean that it has very different environmental and health effects. First, the GM Bt toxin loses its selectivity and can kill non-target insects including beneficial predators. Second, GM Bt toxin can have unsuspected negative health impacts on people or animals that eat a crop containing it. The protein may be more toxic or allergenic than the natural form of the protein.

Even tiny changes in a protein can completely change its properties. For example, soybeans can be genetically engineered to tolerate a herbicide that would normally kill them by changing a gene that gives rise to a protein differing from the natural protein by just two amino acids.4 As researchers at the Centre for Integrated Research in Biosafety in New Zealand pointed out in a submission to the Australia/New Zealand GMO regulator FSANZ on the regulatory assessment of this soybean,5 a change even of a single amino acid can radically change the properties of proteins, which in turn can result in changed behaviour of a plant.6,7

In some cases, not even an amino acid change is necessary to alter the characteristics of a protein. Differences in the sequence of the DNA base units in a gene can change the properties of the resulting protein without altering the amino acid sequence.8Changes in the three-dimensional shape of the protein alone can turn harmless proteins into toxins,9,10 as demonstrated by the prion protein causing the “mad cow disease” BSE.11

Natural Bt toxin also has a very different mode of action from the Bt toxin produced in GM plants. Natural Bt is not a toxin but a protoxin. That means it only becomes toxic when subjected to certain conditions, such as when made into a solution and broken down by enzymes in the gut of the insect that eats it.

In the environment, natural Bt breaks down rapidly in daylight soon after it is sprayed, so it is unlikely to find its way into animals or people that eat the crop. With GM Bt crops, in contrast, the Bt toxin is present in every cell of the plant in pre-activated form.1,12 The plant itself becomes a pesticide, and people and animals who eat the plant are eating a pesticide.

http://earthopensource.org/gmomyths...l-crops-harm-insects-harmless-animals-people/

 

[angelatc]

And we know for a fact that something like this couldn't possibly be staged, never, no, no way....

There are thousands of thousands of studies that prove his point, and all you can say is they're all probably fake. LIke I said, special ed.

 

[angelatc]

Ya, see, what Angela doesn't understand is that all that stuff exists naturally in the soil. When you have farmers spraying their crops with chemicals and nothing else, after a certain amount of time their soil is depleted of all the natural bacterial goodness. But in the mean time, until it gets depleted, they get all the benefits. Over time, they have to start using more chemicals and the soil becomes less healthy. ..

You have no leg to stand on when you say I don't understand anything. In fact, the link I provided that you still didn't read specifically addresses soil health and crop rotation.

Special ed.

 

[Stratovarious]

Best thing about GMO IMV is that you can over spray with Monsanto products,
don't even need water probably , as long as you have enough pesticide, plant
grows and is probably 50 percent round-up by weight, so where's the problem,
you can ingest all the round-up you wish , right?
Is round up related to agent orange, or is agent orange a banned term now days.....

 

[dannno]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/

It amazes me you have been here so long and know so little about healthy food.

Feeding an animal organic soy and organic corn is not going to give them a better fat profile (omega 3s vs. 6, etc)

Grazing them and letting them forage absolutely does provide a better fat profile. So clearly the animals that were studied did not get a lot of grazing.

But like I keep saying, organic certification is more about what you don't do than what you do..

On average, organic livestock tends to get more grazing and foraging. But you could certainly choose an organic livestock farm that treats the animals horribly and only feeds them grains and hay (no green grass/foraged plant matter).. then replicate the study you posted.

Also, the bullshit about transfats in animals.. wow. Sorry, but transfats became an issue because they were taking vegetable oil (which is very bad for you) and making transfat out of that. Then they were putting it in very unhealthy food, such as fast foods. There is nothing wrong with animal transfats.. fat does not cause cardiovascular disease.

 

[Stratovarious]

You have no leg to stand on when you say I don't understand anything. In fact, the link I provided that you still didn't read specifically addresses soil health and crop rotation.

Special ed.

If you drink enough of Monsanto's cool aide , you'll have no leg to stand on either.
What was Jim Jones serving?

 

[Stratovarious]

There are thousands of thousands of studies that prove his point, and all you can say is they're all probably fake. LIke I said, special ed.

You said I said that Angie , did I?
If I bring a pint of Round Up to the forum tonight, will you drink it right up, in front of everyone to see?

 

[MelissaWV]

I think the short answer is basically no, we're all wrong, we're all eating poorly, and the math says we died an average of five years ago.

 

[Stratovarious]

I can only assume there's a reason you aren't including actual links.

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[kona]

No vegetables, no fruit. Carnivore.

-red meat
-eggs
-butter
-water
-coffee

 

[heavenlyboy34]

There is no evidence that organic food is healthier than conventional food.

Yes there is.

Works cited in the video I posted:

References: 1. Are Some Eggs Safer Than Others? http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/egg... 2. Free Range Eggs vs. Caged Eggs: What’s the Difference Nutritionally http://www.healthambition.com/caged-v... 3. Meet Real Free-Range Eggs http://www.motherearthnews.com/real-f... 4. Didn’t use - a study that shows increase of healthy fats in free range http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21...

 

[acptulsa]

Exercise is only a waste of time if you do it to try to lose weight. That doesn't work.

Huh?

If you put more fuel in a car than the car has used, the fuel overflows on the ground. Animals like people have an overflow tank. We can store the overflow as fat.

How is the amount of fuel used irrelevant to whether the fuel overflows or not? Yes, certain exercises don't decrease your weight as they build muscle. But how much reserve energy (fat) you use is not solely dependent on how much more you intake. How much you use has a pretty darned big effect.

I realize you've never even met my bicycle, but that's no excuse for insulting it.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Huh?

If you put more fuel in a car than the car has used, the fuel overflows on the ground. Animals like people have an overflow tank. We can store the overflow as fat.

How is the amount of fuel used irrelevant to whether the fuel overflows or not? Yes, certain exercises don't decrease your weight as they build muscle. But how much reserve energy (fat) you use is not solely dependent on how much more you intake. How much you use has a pretty darned big effect.

I realize you've never even met my bicycle, but that's no excuse for insulting it.

Science says there's no evidence you can lose weight by exercise alone. (quite the opposite, in fact) Any competent coach or trainer will agree. Dietetics is *normally* a requirement for trainer and coaching certification programs.
https://www.theguardian.com/science...ls-that-exercise-alone-wont-cause-weight-loss
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(15)01577-8

Exercise is important, and will do lots of good things for you. If you could put it in a pill, it would be the most expensive pill in the world. But it won't cause weight loss by itself. Proper nutrition causes fat/weight loss.

 

[acptulsa]

Exercise is important, and will do lots of good things for you. If you could put it in a pill, it would be the most expensive pill in the world. But it won't cause weight loss by itself. Proper nutrition causes fat/weight loss.

It won't?

Tell you what you do. You stop eating, but don't stop moving, for a few days, then get back to me and tell me how constant your weight has been.

Doctors don't say exercise won't cut fat. They say fat won't go away if you keep eating more calories than you burn. To put it any other way would be to deny the laws of physics. Energy cannot be created.

 

[dannno]

It won't?

Tell you what you do. You stop eating, but don't stop moving, for a few days, then get back to me and tell me how constant your weight has been.

Doctors don't say exercise won't cut fat. They say fat won't go away if you keep eating more calories than you burn. To put it any other way would be to deny the laws of physics. Energy cannot be created.

People who are overweight and have a poor diet (high in carbs) who go on an exercise regimen typically end up eating more unhealthy high carb food after they workout and that totally negates the workout. They might build some muscle, but they don't end up losing much fat, if any, if they do not lower their carb intake.

If they move to a lower carb diet, then when they crave food after the workout they end up eating more protein and fats which can help them lose weight.

 

[oyarde]

My health food this morning started with hash browns with diced red & green bell peppers and onions , bacon the later a snack of some raisins and carrot cake with raisins . then later more hash browns and bacon . Tonight is pot roast for dinner with carrots , onions and potatoes .

 

[pcosmar]

Osmosis..

I just absorb nutrients from the environment..