How much should a person working 16-20 hours a day on the Blimp make?

[stefans]

No, because they go around trying to spread lies. Lies like Trevor and elijah are goign to make more money than they used ot, or that the blimp is going to cost $1 million a month now... outright falsehoods spread by little maggots that dont know anything except how to degrade everything they see.

those are not lies.
1. before they changed the timeshares the price for 40000 minutes was 1 million.
40000 minutes is about a month. it's outdated info, not a lie.

2. you don't know of they are going to make more money.
they don't even have to disclose their salaries, let alone what happens to the profit of the company, or who owns it.

 

[pointe]

those are not lies.
1. before they changed the timeshares the price for 40000 minutes was 1 million.
40000 minutes is about a month. it's outdated info, not a lie.

I think this was a miscalculation based on hours in month vs hours of flight time.

...let alone what happens to the profit of the company.

This would be interesting to know though.

 

[NewEnd]

those are not lies.
1. before they changed the timeshares the price for 40000 minutes was 1 million.
40000 minutes is about a month. it's outdated info, not a lie.

2. you don't know of they are going to make more money.
they don't even have to disclose their salaries, let alone what happens to the profit of the company, or who owns it.

Neither do you, so whats your point? But they have said they are going to make the same as their old jobs... of course, Trevor and Elijah are teh evil... so they cannot be trusted. Fucking JohnnyWrath is the authority on these things.

 

[NewEnd]

those are not lies.
1. before they changed the timeshares the price for 40000 minutes was 1 million.
40000 minutes is about a month. it's outdated info, not a lie.

there is lots of outdated info... because nothing was concrete, and everyone knew nothing was concrete,... ti was in planning stages, and takign input form the grassroots community.

Obviously that was a mistake, because now, if they dont do every single thing that they were talking about in planning stages, they are suddenly scam artists

 

[stefans]

Neither do you, so whats your point?

did I say they're going to make more?
you're trying to shut people up by calling them naysayers or liers.
I'm neither of it.

 

[stefans]

there is lots of outdated info... because nothing was concrete, and everyone knew nothing was concrete,... ti was in planning stages, and takign input form the grassroots community.

Obviously that was a mistake, because now, if they dont do every single thing that they were talking about in planning stages, they are suddenly scam artists

false. that was on the NEW website a few hours ago.

 

[NewEnd]

did I say they're going to make more?
you're trying to shut people up by calling them naysayers or liers.
I'm neither of it.

fine, believe JohnnyWrath over Trevor and Elijah. Shit, he's been here since Novemebr!

 

[NewEnd]

false. that was on the NEW website a few hours ago.

where? when?
WTF are you talking about?

 

[stefans]

fine, believe JohnnyWrath over Trevor and Elijah. Shit, he's been here since Novemebr!

he's launched some personal attacks with no information added.
you have not disputed the facts I've drawn my conclusion about the blimp company from.

so I guess our discussion is over and there's no need to call each other liers.

 

[NewEnd]

he's launched some personal attacks with no information added.
you have not disputed the facts I've drawn my conclusion about the blimp company from.

so I guess our discussion is over and there's no need to call each other liers.

I didn't even call you a liar. I called JohnnyWrath a liar. And he is... he already knew that Trevor and Elijah had said they were going to conitnue the same pay rate, and yet he deliberately said they were in it to make more money, then he confessed his undying hatred fro Lyman.

 

[stefans]

where? when?
WTF are you talking about?

when the new website launched, it didn't say "$1,000,000 for 2 months" but "1,000,000 for 40,000 minutes".

they have progressive prices now, they were linear before. (if you buy 40000 times 1 minute now, it's still about 1 million a month.)

 

[TooConservative]

those naysayers have been around before.
a lot of other people were supportive, had pledged and changed their mind because of new information. including myself.

I know I was excited. Now it seems everything has changed.

I'll stick with the other ChipIns and truly volunteer efforts instead. My little donation wasn't going to make them or break them anyway.

I think a lot of the smaller donors might decide to back out. OTOH, some of the deep-pocket donors might actually be much more confident and happy to have a professional staff and to pay for it.

I guess we let the market decide, eh?

If you assume a cost of $500,000 a month by the time you pay staff and the blimp cost and if you take Ron Paul at his word that he will run strong and decide whether to continue after the early primaries or go home to run for his congressional seat, then we can reasonably estimate that we'll know if RP can get the nomination by the time the Feb 5 primaries are done. So total cost to fly the blimp through that time would be around $1.5M.

But if that $1.5M didn't go into a blimp, how many ads in small IA/NH newspapers could you buy? Ads in Arab publications or in USAToday, as has already been done? Or just making a Google Adsense purchase? Or in buying slimjims and signs for local Meetups?

To fly it through the early primary season for $1.5M, that better be one magic blimp.

 

[NewEnd]

when the new website launched, it didn't say "$1,000,000 for 2 months" but "1,000,000 for 40,000 minutes".

they have progressive prices now, they were linear before. (if you buy 40000 times 1 minute now, it's still about 1 million a month.)

Then that would have been an assumption, and I dont believe they coutn all time as advertising time... if you read the website they spell out when advrtising times are:

It will fly for six hours per day generating advertising and publicity while on the ground as well as in the air. Blimp sponsors, the local media and nearby residents will be able to gather at landing sites to tour the blimp. Those with tickets will board for rides. Informal blimp parties will be organized at scheduled stops around the country as the blimp makes its way to key destinations for maximum public exposure.

 

[NewEnd]

But if that $1.5M didn't go into a blimp, how many ads in small IA/NH newspapers could you buy? Ads in Arab publications or in USAToday, as has already been done? Or just making a Google Adsense purchase? Or in buying slimjims and signs for local Meetups?

To fly it through the early primary season for $1.5M, that better be one magic blimp.

this has already been debated,with Matt Collins, IIRC, arguing vigorously against it. It is true, the blimp could be a failure, but it could also be a fantastic success...we will not know unless we try, and it may be a better tool for enticing activist advertisers, than a paper or a tv ad.

Plus, it does not go to Clear Channel, or FOX, or CNN.

 

[stefans]

Then that would have been an assumption, and I dont believe they coutn all time as advertising time... if you read the website they spell out when advrtising times are:

can't be the case. unless they're able to fly the blimp for 60 hours for $ 50,000.
which they're not. (160 hrs ~ $350k price quote)

 

[TooConservative]

this has already been debated,with Matt Collins, IIRC, arguing vigorously against it. It is true, the blimp could be a failure, but it could also be a fantastic success...we will not know unless we try, and it may be a better tool for enticing activist advertisers, than a paper or a tv ad.

Blimps are a novelty advertising item. It is their relative rarity that makes them special. Goodyear still flies their blimp a fair amount but you don't see that many others.

I think there's a limit to how far blimps can carry your message.

I still think using "Who Is Ron Paul?" and "Google Ron Paul" as ads is counterproductive. If a month from the IA caucuses and you're running those then you're admitting you have a candidate no one has ever heard of. Ron Paul has been on all the news channels and done tons of interviews. I just don't think he is completely unknown to Republican primary voters in the early primary states. If he is, we're sunk anyway.

What if the grassroots decides not to support the blimp and they end up raising only $200,000? Then will Trevor and Elijah and the staff just get to keep that money? Should donors really take that kind of a chance with money that we know could be could put to good use in billboard buys and ad buys in IA/NH or in USAtoday and New York Times?

The non-refundable clause is a real warning sign.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

The non-refundable clause is a real warning sign.

Trevor and Elijah, since they proclaimed themselves as company spokesmen better stay on these boards day and night to answer over and over again these doubts if they expect to get the funds we want. I don't understand their lack of constant attention to this. One can answer phones and do business at the same time of monitoring these boards, there should not be 30min that go by without their input. With out the bucks they go nowhere. We only have $20,000 and need to raise $500k in a week or so and if they are not here themselves on the front lines to encourage the donations, then who in the company will?IMO

PS. The less words on the blimp the larger the letters thus the farther away it will be seen thus the more people see it.

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[tangent4ronpaul]

The non-refundable clause is a real warning sign.

Yeah - LLC + "non-returnable clause" was a MEGA TURN OFF for me too!

Lets do a month with it as a Grassroots effort, then we can look at other options to continue it. As a commercial venture, in this climate - I do not see it happening.

-n

 

[TooConservative]

Trevor and Elijah, since they proclaimed themselves as company spokesmen better stay on these boards day and night to answer over and over again these doubts if they expect to get the funds we want. I don't understand their lack of constant attention to this. One can answer phones and do business at the same time of monitoring these boards, there should not be 30min that go by without their input. With out the bucks they go nowhere. We only have $20,000 and need to raise $500k in a week or so and if they are not here themselves on the front lines to encourage the donations, then who in the company will?IMO

If they only raise $300,000 and have to cancel the blimp, they do get to keep all the money, don't they?

You don't need a spreadsheet to see that, under the current structure, they could make more money by having the blimp project fail than by having it succeed.

Let's say they bring in $100,000 and have to cancel the blimp rental. They pay the lawyers (who haven't done anything yet) and the other staff (maybe $10,000) and another $5000 or so to cover their website costs. Who would get the other $80,000 left over? Trevor and Elijah who would then make in a few weeks what they claim they want to make for the entire year?

If they raised $200,000 and cancelled, they'd have $70,000-$80,000 apiece.

That's why no-refunds looks suspicious. I think you'll find a lot of people are going to think twice about donating to that when they think this through. People with the kind of money needed to finance the blimp didn't get that much money by being so incautious with spending it.

 

[NewEnd]

They would probably get a smaller blimp.

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