How, if at all, has your vote changed today? [2008-09-10]

How, if at all, has your vote changed today?

  • Was Barr, now Baldwin

    Votes: 57 35.0%
  • Was Barr, now Nader or McKinney

    Votes: 13 8.0%
  • Was Barr, now Paul (write-in) or non-voting

    Votes: 19 11.7%
  • Was Barr, still Barr

    Votes: 21 12.9%
  • Was someone else, now Barr

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Was someone else, still someone else

    Votes: 51 31.3%

  • Total voters
    163
Chuck Baldwin is NOT a libertarian. No one who wants to make gays into second class citizens, ban drugs and gambling, shut our country off to trade and immigration, claim that America was founded as a "Christian nation," say they "respect" Jerry Falwell, claim that the Constitution is divinely inspired, and try to impose Christian doctrine on the rest of society through law can legitimately claim to be libertarian. As such, Chuck Baldwin simply does not endorse Ron Paul's philosophy of libertarianism, and IMO he is unworthy of our support.

The Barr campaign made an unwise decision to back out of the press conference today. But just because he did so doesn't mean he's less deserving of our support. Barr had a voting record in Congress rated "libertarian" over his lifetime by the Republican Liberty Caucus, and he's moved in the right direction on issues about which he was wrong (Iraq, Drugs, DOMA). HE was the one who pushed the Libertarian Party to author the invitation to Dr. Paul to seek its Presidential Nomination (before Barr got into the race), a resolution that also called for the Libertarian Party to open its resources to the Paul campaign (particularly in New Hampshire). Barr endorsed Dr. Paul's campaign early on, and he introduced him at CPAC. I understand why the Barr campaign is upset that Dr. Paul isn't giving him his exclusive endorsement, and it's a sentiment I share.

Switching from Barr to Baldwin simply because Barr backed out of Dr. Paul's press conference symbolizes a morphing of this movement more about a personalty cult centered around Ron Paul than about advancing libertarianism, which is Dr. Paul's philosophy and his message and which he has stated personally many times is what his efforts are all about. Dr. Paul didn't ask for this; we've done it ourselves. We've made this into something that is no better than the campaigns of Barack Obama and John McCain, and for this we should be ashamed of cheapening what Dr. Paul started.
 
I was 80% for Barr before this.

Now I'm 60% for Nader, 40% for Chuck Baldwin. I will have to choose between them the next few months. I like both of these guys, even though I probably agree with Baldwin more on the issues, I lean slightly toward Nader because I think it will send a louder message to the two parties. I also voted for Nader in 2004 because I couldn't bring myself to vote for either Kerry or Bush, though I don't agree with him too much on economics. Still, I'm glad he signed onto Ron Paul's four point statement about investigating and possibly abolishing the Fed.
 
Chuck Baldwin is NOT a libertarian. No one who wants to make gays into second class citizens, ban drugs and gambling, shut our country off to trade and immigration, claim that America was founded as a "Christian nation," say they "respect" Jerry Falwell, claim that the Constitution is divinely inspired, and try to impose Christian doctrine on the rest of society through law can legitimately claim to be libertarian. As such, Chuck Baldwin simply does not endorse Ron Paul's philosophy of libertarianism, and IMO he is unworthy of our support.

The Barr campaign made an unwise decision to back out of the press conference today. But just because he did so doesn't mean he's less deserving of our support. Barr had a voting record in Congress rated "libertarian" over his lifetime by the Republican Liberty Caucus, and he's moved in the right direction on issues about which he was wrong (Iraq, Drugs, DOMA). HE was the one who pushed the Libertarian Party to author the invitation to Dr. Paul to seek its Presidential Nomination (before Barr got into the race), a resolution that also called for the Libertarian Party to open its resources to the Paul campaign (particularly in New Hampshire). Barr endorsed Dr. Paul's campaign early on, and he introduced him at CPAC. I understand why the Barr campaign is upset that Dr. Paul isn't giving him his exclusive endorsement, and it's a sentiment I share.

Switching from Barr to Baldwin simply because Barr backed out of Dr. Paul's press conference symbolizes a morphing of this movement more about a personalty cult centered around Ron Paul than about advancing libertarianism, which is Dr. Paul's philosophy and his message and which he has stated personally many times is what his efforts are all about. Dr. Paul didn't ask for this; we've done it ourselves. We've made this into something that is no better than the campaigns of Barack Obama and John McCain, and for this we should be ashamed of cheapening what Dr. Paul started.

This isn't a "Libertarian" forum. This is for supporters of Liberty. Baldwin supporterd Ron Paul therefore, I support Baldwin!
 
Chuck Baldwin is NOT a libertarian. No one who wants to make gays into second class citizens, ban drugs and gambling, shut our country off to trade and immigration, claim that America was founded as a "Christian nation," say they "respect" Jerry Falwell, claim that the Constitution is divinely inspired, and try to impose Christian doctrine on the rest of society through law can legitimately claim to be libertarian. As such, Chuck Baldwin simply does not endorse Ron Paul's philosophy of libertarianism, and IMO he is unworthy of our support.

The Barr campaign made an unwise decision to back out of the press conference today. But just because he did so doesn't mean he's less deserving of our support. Barr had a voting record in Congress rated "libertarian" over his lifetime by the Republican Liberty Caucus, and he's moved in the right direction on issues about which he was wrong (Iraq, Drugs, DOMA). HE was the one who pushed the Libertarian Party to author the invitation to Dr. Paul to seek its Presidential Nomination (before Barr got into the race), a resolution that also called for the Libertarian Party to open its resources to the Paul campaign (particularly in New Hampshire). Barr endorsed Dr. Paul's campaign early on, and he introduced him at CPAC. I understand why the Barr campaign is upset that Dr. Paul isn't giving him his exclusive endorsement, and it's a sentiment I share.

Switching from Barr to Baldwin simply because Barr backed out of Dr. Paul's press conference symbolizes a morphing of this movement more about a personalty cult centered around Ron Paul than about advancing libertarianism, which is Dr. Paul's philosophy and his message and which he has stated personally many times is what his efforts are all about. Dr. Paul didn't ask for this; we've done it ourselves. We've made this into something that is no better than the campaigns of Barack Obama and John McCain, and for this we should be ashamed of cheapening what Dr. Paul started.


Yes for most of us here the LP platform fits us more but if we vote for Barr it is the same as the REP or Dem platform fitting us but the nominees suck well the LP has the same problem good platform but nominee sucks so this election I say quit fighting over which party has the best platform as none of the current nominees even follow thier own platform. This year vote for the person that best represents what you want and that should be how everyone votes
 
I was going to vote Barr, but after the press conference debacle, I will be voting for Ron Paul, since his name will appear on the ballot here in Montana.
 
Chuck Baldwin is NOT a libertarian. No one who wants to make gays into second class citizens, ban drugs and gambling, shut our country off to trade and immigration, claim that America was founded as a "Christian nation," say they "respect" Jerry Falwell, claim that the Constitution is divinely inspired, and try to impose Christian doctrine on the rest of society through law can legitimately claim to be libertarian. As such, Chuck Baldwin simply does not endorse Ron Paul's philosophy of libertarianism, and IMO he is unworthy of our support.

The Barr campaign made an unwise decision to back out of the press conference today. But just because he did so doesn't mean he's less deserving of our support. Barr had a voting record in Congress rated "libertarian" over his lifetime by the Republican Liberty Caucus, and he's moved in the right direction on issues about which he was wrong (Iraq, Drugs, DOMA). HE was the one who pushed the Libertarian Party to author the invitation to Dr. Paul to seek its Presidential Nomination (before Barr got into the race), a resolution that also called for the Libertarian Party to open its resources to the Paul campaign (particularly in New Hampshire). Barr endorsed Dr. Paul's campaign early on, and he introduced him at CPAC. I understand why the Barr campaign is upset that Dr. Paul isn't giving him his exclusive endorsement, and it's a sentiment I share.

Switching from Barr to Baldwin simply because Barr backed out of Dr. Paul's press conference symbolizes a morphing of this movement more about a personalty cult centered around Ron Paul than about advancing libertarianism, which is Dr. Paul's philosophy and his message and which he has stated personally many times is what his efforts are all about. Dr. Paul didn't ask for this; we've done it ourselves. We've made this into something that is no better than the campaigns of Barack Obama and John McCain, and for this we should be ashamed of cheapening what Dr. Paul started.

Just wondering where you got the idea that Baldwin supported Jerry Falwell and the "Christian" right stuff. As far as I remember he is critical of those guys. Oh thats right, you are being IGNORANT and assuming Baldwin espouses the views of his party.

You know what that is like? That is like saying Ron Paul is a warmongering deficit spending sleazeball. So if you are comfortable saying that then fine. If not, be quiet please.
 
I haven't decided yet but it did help make my decision a bit easier as there's now another person I won't be considering.
 
Why doesn't some rich guy in the Freedom Movement just donate his money and save the repubic! Don't we have any wealthy liberty lovers!
 
I hear too much conflicting information I will only vote for baldwin barr or paul. And since I can't write in Paul I was thinking maybe baldwin ... I wish you all luck on finding the candidate you think best suites you. May the best candidate win.
 
I honestly have no idea at the moment. Today has been pretty turbulent and I need some time to think about it.
 
Why doesn't some rich guy in the Freedom Movement just donate his money and save the repubic! Don't we have any wealthy liberty lovers!

Still holding out hope for the mystery billionaire to come save the paulhive?
 
I read that Adam Kokesh retracted his support for Barr today. Pending any sort of apology from the Barr campaign, I won't rush into things.

I will begin doing my research on other candidates, however.

I need an anti-war candidate who will support and follow the Constitution to the fullest.

EDIT: I will draft a letter to send to Barr's campaign, expressing my disappointment.

EDIT 2: Non-voting is still not an option, in my opinion.
 
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You are invited to come to Louisiana and vote for THE slate of 2008.
 
Now it's anyone but Barr, McCain or Obama.

Same here, with the addition of any submission by the constitution party(can't stand their platform, or anybody that would go along with it)
So for now, it looks like I'm gonna have to puke up 35+ years of hatred for Nader and go to the voting booth and go RALPH...:(
 
Bob Barr has lost my vote for President of the Ron Paul Fan Club. I still don't see a better candidate for President of these United States, though.
 
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