How I quit communism and leftism

[dannno]

What about tax dollars?

Taxation is theft

 

[dannno]

What about Scandinavian countries they provide free healthcare?

There are a few northern European countries who had semblance of a decent healthcare system under socialism, but it wasn't good because of socialism, it was good because these countries had an excess of wealth. This is temporary, not sustainable, eventually you tap out your wealth. These countries will find or are finding that their healthcare will deteriorate over time. In fact, most of them didn't have enough kids and so they don't have anybody to pay into their entitlement programs. The government decided to import immigrants to tax to pay for these things, and now these countries are having a migrant crisis, a lot of the immigrants are on welfare and so they are really in a mess. There are plenty of other countries who have socialized medicine that have relatively poor or very poor healthcare.

 

[CaptUSA]

There are a few northern European countries who had semblance of a decent healthcare system under socialism, but it wasn't good because of socialism, it was good because these countries had an excess of wealth. This is temporary, not sustainable, eventually you tap out your wealth. These countries will find or are finding that their healthcare will deteriorate over time. In fact, most of them didn't have enough kids and so they don't have anybody to pay into their entitlement programs. The government decided to import immigrants to tax to pay for these things, and now these countries are having a migrant crisis, a lot of the immigrants are on welfare and so they are really in a mess. There are plenty of other countries who have socialized medicine that have relatively poor or very poor healthcare.

Not to mention that their R&D is being subsidized by the free market here. The amount of new drugs and treatments coming from countries with socialized medicine pales in comparison. But once that research and development is done, they certainly capitalize on it. But just think of what would happen if there were NO free market to prop up their systems. (Or if they had to spend their own resources on their own defense. They wouldn't have the ability to fund their "generous" programs.)

 

[Superfluous Man]

Welcome here, Ibn! Great story!

And your English is really good.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Google translate is not so great for English to Arabic.

or any language to any other language.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

The free market can provide healthcare just fine if the government would just get out of the way. Wanting the government involved in education at any capacity is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Lamp]

https://atlas.md/

 

[Ibn.AL.Muqafaa]

Then how do u maintain your infrastructure?

 

[TheCount]

Then how do u maintain your infrastructure?

Assuming that you're referring to Bastiat's post, healthcare and education can both be run as for-profit ventures, at which point those providing the services will cover the cost of maintaining the infrastructure, either by doing it themselves or by paying someone else to do it.

 

[Ibn.AL.Muqafaa]

If we keep out the government from healthcare and education, will prices be cheaper, and are they affordable even to the poor?

 

[TheCount]

If we keep out the government from healthcare and education, will prices be cheaper, and are they affordable even to the poor?

Possibly to both. Depends on the disease and treatment.

 

[timosman]

Possibly to both. Depends on the disease and treatment.

Let's be honest. You can not cover everybody's brain transplant.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

If we keep out the government from healthcare and education, will prices be cheaper, and are they affordable even to the poor?

At least in the USA, in the times before the government thought it needed to rescue health care for the poor, doctors were greatly respected for their outright charitable behavior, or their willingness to accept very little payment from those that had very little to give (having in mind the so-called "country doctor"). The spirit of the oath they take was more greatly honored than the current system where they are damn near hamstrung in their attempts to behave in the manner of their forebears.

Schools are not altogether different in this regard. Communities often pitched in to obtain a schoolhouse and pay the salary of a teacher. Costs, unsurprisingly, were much lower. Costs could not exceed what the community could handle, so no rapacious behavior on the behalf of the educators could amount to anything. There was no government trying to throw inexhaustible amounts of money at them.

Whatever government touches turns to gold plated shit. All the cost, none of the function.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

If we keep out the government from healthcare and education, will prices be cheaper, and are they affordable even to the poor?

That's what the evidence shows. The world's poorest are choosing low-cost private schools over the government schools.

http://traffic.libsyn.com/tomwoodsshow/woods_01_09_2014_2.mp3

 

[osan]

What about tax dollars?

Taxation is robbery.

Period.

 

[timosman]

Whatever government touches turns to gold plated shit. All the cost, none of the function.

This should be in the constitution. +rep

 

[jllundqu]

What about Scandinavian countries they provide free healthcare?

Welcome friend. One thing you should search your soul on is this fundamental question: What are rights and where do they come from?

I would contend that natural rights are life, liberty, and property. Governments are instituted among men to secure these rights, not to grant them. Rights do NOT come from government. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have... this is not freedom. Anything that requires another person to pay for it (Healthcare, for example) is NOT a right.

You have a journey ahead of you, to be sure, but a logical and clear thinking person will arrive at the conclusion that men are, and of right ought to be, free.

 

[inthehall]

Better late than never.

 

[eleganz]

Good job, joining RPF is a great advanced studies course into the liberty movement.

Its not easy to swing from SJWism to classical liberalism, although it seems you came this way because you were eaten by your own.

Keep your mind open and I'm sure one day you will also finally understand that capitalism is not unfair and healthcare is not a human right.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

I am a 22-year-old Arab male college student from Lebanon, and I used to be a communist and an SJW male feminist somehow. I adopted both ideologies because I have good intentions and being naïve I became indoctrinated by my professors. Communism is great in theory, but it is a failed system and is even more unfair than capitalism.

Capitalism is the fairest system possible. This is because it's based on freedom. The freedom to agree or disagree and the freedom to choose. The fact that not every interaction in a capitalist system turns out to be fair, does not mean it is not the fairest system there is. Because, it is. If I have a product or a skill, and I get to choose to who I sell that, for how much, when and every other variable, then what could be fairer than that ?