How far are you willing to compromise your principles for power?

[Rad]

At this point in time I think there needs to be a realization that all issues are pretty much moot because we have a media and entrenched elitist class that will not allow any idea to see the light of day.

-Speak on welfare - you hate the poor

Socialism got its start from people gaming the poor and destitute in England. It would be best if we could have a way of life that did not require a welfare state. I think John Taylor Gatto nails the problem here. Its cradle to grave economic control. We are taught to be a workforce not self governing independent people (what fisharmor is talking about).

-Non-Intervention - You Hate America

Its because people spend more time kissing establishment booty than telling the public the truth. What if Rand was more honest would he have done better? The facts are on his side.

-Won't "Stand With Israel" - You're anti-semitic

Israel's society is becoming increasingly racist. Also people do not know the damage Israel has caused the United States. There is a saying that you cannot criticize those who rule you.

-Cut waste from the Pentagon - You hate the Troops

Same as above which requires educating the public.

We've all seen it. I don't care what your issues are, if you can't even speak them without becoming a pariah, you will never get anywhere. That to me is what so many are missing about Trump, he is busting down that barrier, whether he supports anyone's views or not, at least he is making it possible for you to now have a conversation about them.

He is doing that.

I think you've touched on some important things like the welfare state. The economic situation would have to vastly change. If you were going to deconstruct and reconstruct the United States without setting off the alarm bells of the progressives how would you do it? You'd have to start with the education system I think and liberalize the economy by doing away with corporate friendly regulations (corporatism), the FED, and the Empire. I think there is an order in which to do the things that you mention. Its like college with prerequisites with somethings that have to be done before you do the next one. People would have to believe that the community will take care of their poor.

 

[Rad]

I'd compromise on every other point if I could completely and immediately eliminate public schooling in this country.

That would be one of the first things along with the FED and Empire. There is a lot of entrenched interest in all of them. Its not education which is bad but how it is done. If we can't get rid of it because of strong vestige interest how could we manipulate it to not put out broken, incomplete people. I think a community center with non-judgemental learning that spits out confident, independent, libertarians. We can't just cut unless its like the Empire where it just destroys, we can transition those defense companies back into the economy where they can do something useful. We aren't going to get far without some carrots. The problem is we don't want to change our behavior but their behavior.

 

[TheTexan]

End the FED. No compromise.

What I can offer you, is we can end the FED and create a new dept under Congress that does the same thing.

 

[hankrichter12]

Socialism got its start from people gaming the poor and destitute in England. It would be best if we could have a way of life that did not require a welfare state. I think John Taylor Gatto nails the problem here. Its cradle to grave economic control. We are taught to be a workforce not self governing independent people (what fisharmor is talking about).

Its because people spend more time kissing establishment booty than telling the public the truth. What if Rand was more honest would he have done better? The facts are on his side.

Israel's society is becoming increasingly racist. Also people do not know the damage Israel has caused the United States. There is a saying that you cannot criticize those who rule you.

Same as above which requires educating the public.

He is doing that.

I think you've touched on some important things like the welfare state. The economic situation would have to vastly change. If you were going to deconstruct and reconstruct the United States without setting off the alarm bells of the progressives how would you do it? You'd have to start with the education system I think and liberalize the economy by doing away with corporate friendly regulations (corporatism), the FED, and the Empire. I think there is an order in which to do the things that you mention. Its like college with prerequisites with somethings that have to be done before you do the next one. People would have to believe that the community will take care of their poor.

Right, one step at a time, but that concept is lost on many here, for them it has to be some perfect guy who comes in and does away with all the bad things in one election or they are out the door.

It's just ridiculous, all the govt we see before us did not happen overnight, they did one little thing at a time, they were patient, and that is why they won, and will continue to win.

 

[Rad]

Right, one step at a time, but that concept is lost on many here, for them it has to be some perfect guy who comes in and does away with all the bad things in one election or they are out the door.

It's just ridiculous, all the govt we see before us did not happen overnight, they did one little thing at a time, they were patient, and that is why they won, and will continue to win.

Well I'm like that on somethings like the Empire. I think we could do away with the war profiteering if we gave them something else to profit from which would benefit our country. What would you like to have? You are going to pay for it anyway. What would be more useful to us than a F-35? A lot of things. I don't think we can tell all these people you are out of a job. They need carrots to lead them from military keynesianism to liberal capitalism. Should we compromise ourselves to please them without changing their behavior? That is what upset me about Rand and it didn't help him.

Also no one talks about a transition. Ron Paul promised a transition by cutting the defense budget and putting it on the welfare state, letting people opt out of social security. We are going to have to balance the budget. We need to stop killing people for profit because its wrecking us morally, financially, and we have lost our freedoms because of it. Companies and the government are just gaming our fears. We need to train them to behave in a different way.

I'm not aware of any libertarian that has a manifesto regarding how to deconstruct the warfare/welfare state. We would have to copy the Fabian Socialist. Be enticing with the answers, get in, and work our magic. We need to completely understand the system, infiltrate, and reconstruct it in our image. We need to go after the shadow government that manipulates our government and slowly replace it.

 

[presence]

Liberty endures when its heirs exalt preferred means over preferred outcomes; elevating tomorrow's self-determination over today's expedience.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Rand was my last line in the sand. He's said a few cringeworthy things in the last 4 years, but being Ron's son and believing his heart is in the right place, I finally stopped bitching about him. But my bitchfest was evidence of the fact that I'm through with compromise. Rand was the last line in the sand. I said in 2004 that I was finished with voting for the "lesser between two evils" (yeah, I used to do that...*hangs head in shame*) After 2004, if there was no good candidate to vote for, I would stay home. I was happy and lucky for the next POTUS election...some people called the Louisiana Taxpayers Party put Ron Paul on our ballot in 2008, so I was able AND PROUD to cast my vote for him. But I stayed home in 2012, and probably will again in November.

Oh, the short answer to your question is: I won't. Compromise, that is.

 

[Rad]

How about willing to sell your soul to Satan, in exchange for power?

We could give it a shot!