How does the IRS know if you do not have health insurance?

[MozoVote]

You don't have to file an IRS form at all if your income is low enough. And of course there are people who work for cash and simply refuse to file.

Seems like if you skip filing for a while, you'd have to report "yes I had health insurance in prior years" somehow or else end up owing a compounded penalty. I suppose ther'll be a new IRS form for that.

 

[darkstar725]

Three words: Electronic Health Records.




Yes, your prison wages will be applied to your healthcare premiums.

Actually, you won't be required to have insurance if you are incarcerated. Mainly because anything that happens to you health-wise while you are in jail has to be covered by the state anyway.

 

[Revolution9]

Its unreal that I have to pay a fine because I eat healthy and dont require healthcare. BONKERS

I am almost 55. Last doc I saw was 87 at my ex's insistence. I don't need nor want a doctor. They killed two members of my family. I ain't paying a dime to these clowns. Ever.

Rev9

 

[coastie]

I am almost 55. Last doc I saw was 87 at my ex's insistence. I don't need nor want a doctor. They killed two members of my family. I ain't paying a dime to these clowns. Ever.

Rev9

+rep

I completely understand, they have taken 3 members of mine, and almost my wife.

Arrogant Dr.s have also nearly landed me in jail-twice.

My wife takes no medication now, had "epilepsy" for years, was on medication for years. She takes NOTHING now, and very rarely has a light flutter here and there, usually right before her female cycle(petit mal seizures).

When she was on meds, she'd have as many as 200 per day of the peti mals-this not an exaggeration, especially during her cycle.

Guess what happened when she missed some meds, or dared drink-even 2 glasses of wine? BAM- Near fatal gran-mal seizures, that happened 3 times in one year...and she's only had 5 of those since she was 13, including those 3. The Dr's "it's not the medication"...

Dr's said "she had to take the meds, lets try this, try that, switch to this, combine this with that", and ignored and/or dismiss any mention of side effects as even the pharma commercials say to do. Every side effect possible nailed her. Especially the mental ones.

Weened her off the meds over a 2 month period in 2010, and she's had 10 petit mal seizures that entire time, and they seem to be almost non-existent now.

I wish so many others would have listened to me about what their meds were doing to them. I do rest a little easier knowing I saved her life and our marriage from those animals.

 

[Revolution9]

No you can't lie and just say you have insurance. There will be some sort of proof required. Might be paper. Might be your SS number tied to an insurance co. Etc.

I am sure some will try and lie but the IRS is hiring an additional 15,000 people to make sure you comply or get caught lying. The KGB will make sure they get theirs.

Thank you Obama and thank you Romney.

15K employees will about cover the non-payers in Wisconsin alone. What about the other 49 states? And where are they going to meet 15K smart people that can learn quickly?

Rev9

 

[Petar]

Maybe 1% of this forum understood that.

I predicted it would pass, because like the income tax, it is constitutional (as it is part of the income tax, like FICA). Only a small minority of the members here understand what is being done, and understand their remedies.

Doesn't the IRS have a law against trying to use laws to not have to pay taxes?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Yeah, it's about the money, not health anything, it's about you paying them so they can get their di@k s*c@'ed whenever they want and eat the best foods and drink the best coffee's and hang out with the best assh@les in their #1/2mil cars in the bestest places in the world. (all while thinking of your health/srcsm)

edit: I hope this doesn't offend, I'm pissed...

Welcome to politics!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Doesn't the IRS have a law against trying to use laws to not have to pay taxes?

No. That's why tax attorneys and certified financial planners exist-to get you out of paying taxes to the greatest extent possible.

 

[Petar]

No. That's why tax attorneys and certified financial planners exist-to get you out of paying taxes to the greatest extent possible.

I understand that, but there is some weird law against trying to use legal means to evade taxes which does exist, or at least that is what I saw in "Freedom To Fascism".

 

[presence]

nm

 

[Anti Federalist]

Actually, you won't be required to have insurance if you are incarcerated. Mainly because anything that happens to you health-wise while you are in jail has to be covered by the state anyway.

In many states, you are charged "room and board" for every day you are in prison.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/12/us/in-riverside-california-a-plan-to-charge-inmates.html

I can honestly see where you would get charged for health insurance premiums as well.

 

[liberdom]

I understand that, but there is some weird law against trying to use legal means to evade taxes which does exist, or at least that is what I saw in "Freedom To Fascism".

you're kidding, right? Does anybody actually still believe in the old myth "there is no law"?

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm

What these evaders mean is, "We don't agree with that law". the page I link is not a government page, but its dumbed down for the layman.

This is the official IRS rebuttal
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf

Overall, this is the logic of "there is no law" arguments.
http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.com/2008/11/fallacy-of-tax-protester-fallacies.html

 

[Petar]

you're kidding, right? Does anybody actually still believe in the old myth "there is no law"?

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm

What these evaders mean is, "We don't agree with that law". the page I link is not a government page, but its dumbed down for the layman.

This is the official IRS rebuttal
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf

Overall, this is the logic of "there is no law" arguments.
http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.com/2008/11/fallacy-of-tax-protester-fallacies.html

"There is no law" proponents object to the legal equation of "wages" as "income".

If you could show me where the IRS addresses this specific claim then I suppose that we will be making progress.

In any event, I was simply stating that I believe that the IRS has a law against the activity of attempting to use legal means to avoid paying taxes.

I don't feel like looking up the specific code, but there you have it.

 

[liberdom]

"There is no law" proponents object to the legal equation of "wages" as "income".

If you could show me where the IRS addresses this specific claim then I suppose that we will be making progress.

In any event, I was simply stating that I believe that the IRS has a law against the activity of attempting to use legal means to avoid paying taxes.

I don't feel like looking up the specific code, but there you have it.

sorry I misunderstood you.

I don't know what you mean by "using legal means to avoid", there are generally 2 ways, one is to interpret the law you way and illegally evade, the other is to use the code and maximize your deductions, which is just what accountants are hired to do.

 

[Revolution9]

What these evaders mean is,

Check out the jargon from this inculcated clownage. Where do you people come from? The Borg Cube beam you down or what??

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

sorry I misunderstood you.

I don't know what you mean by "using legal means to avoid", there are generally 2 ways, one is to interpret the law you way and illegally evade, the other is to use the code and maximize your deductions, which is just what accountants are hired to do.

Why don't you just admit you don't have a fucking clue and want others to not have one so you don't feel left out.

Rev9

 

[oyarde]

The State will set up the "Exchange " your form will have you put in how much you pay , how much your employer pays , or intsruct you what your fine is , fine is 1% 2014 , 2.5 % , 2016 , if your employer has 50 employees or more and does not have what the govt considers " affordable " ins for you, they pay 2k per yr per person fine, the employee then pays the fine they now own , ifyour employer pays $850 a month towards your plan , you now owe a minimum tax of $4080 . 00 per year , or 40 % total , for every dollar over that .

 

[Danke]

you're kidding, right? Does anybody actually still believe in the old myth "there is no law"?

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm

What these evaders mean is, "We don't agree with that law". the page I link is not a government page, but its dumbed down for the layman.

This is the official IRS rebuttal
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf

Overall, this is the logic of "there is no law" arguments.
http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.com/2008/11/fallacy-of-tax-protester-fallacies.html

Those are terribly superficial (and misleading) websites in covering the topic of income taxation. Yes there is a law, but where, how, to whom and to which activities does it apply? That is the questions these so-called "debunkers" fail to properly address. Avoiding taxes (legal) is not the same as evading taxes (illegal). The courts have ruled such.

 

[oyarde]

To summarize , nearly 50 million working poor are uninsured , the govt has come to your aid and fined you for being poor and uninsured , taxed the living fuck out of the person who has the good plan and set a side several hundred billion of your tax dollars to spend on the IRS to hire people at twice the avg rate of the employed to specifically track and steal from the poor , tax the medical companies , tax the people with a good plan ....... thank an Obama voter or anyone who ever voted for a Dem for Congress or the Senate , this is the gift they have for you ...

 

[liberdom]

Those are terribly superficial (and misleading) websites in covering the topic of income taxation. Yes there is a law, but where, how, to whom and to which activities does it apply? That is the questions these so-called "debunkers" fail to properly address. Avoiding taxes (legal) is not the same as evading taxes (illegal). The courts have ruled such.

You mean this?
1. Contention: Taxpayer is not a “citizen” of the United States, thus not subject to the federal income tax laws.
Some individuals argue that they have rejected citizenship in the United States in favor of state citizenship; therefore, they are relieved of their federal income tax obligations. A variation of this argument is that a person is a free born citizen of a particular state and thus was never a citizen of the United States. The underlying theme of these arguments is the same: the person is not a United States citizen and is not subject to federal tax laws because only United States citizens are subject to these laws.