How does the IRS know if you do not have health insurance?

[Eisenhower]

What ever happened to "No Taxation without representation?" We are not getting any representation. This will do nothing to help the people.

Ha, that went away long, LONG ago.

 

[RickyJ]

paying a fine because you can't afford health insurance?

You can't afford to not pay.

Sick of paying the damn parasites money? Stop!
Stop paying them anything at all!
Freedom can never be achieved by remaining a slave.

 

[KingRobbStark]

america is FUCKED

And the people doing it are not even wearing condoms. They are sowing the seed of self destruction.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Peace&Freedom made perfect sense to me.

Much thanks. On the 1% issue, this is where the example of Ron Paul must be more internalized. He spent his entire voting career resisting compromise, consistently being the 1% or less of Congress voting against unconstitutional legislation, and taking his lumps for doing so. It is not enough to look upon him as a mountaintop icon. Looking at a distant mountaintop is not going to maintain your liberty. You have to bring the mountain to you and emulate his contrary, go-against-the-flow nature if that is what it will take to retain or reclaim freedom---and take your lumps for doing so. We must become our own Ron Pauls, and stake out our own resistance to the system of tyranny. Challenging the IRS monstrosity is one such battle to fight. In Christian terms, folks, pick up your cross and carry it.

 

[osan]

Honestly, cant you just lie and say you have insurance to avoid paying the tax penalty?

Prying?

Just a wild guess.

 

[pen_thief]

america is FUCKED

"THIS" is pretty much all I can manage today. Hope they have plenty of FEMA camps open because they're going to have to take my non-compliant ass to jailz.

 

[MelissaWV]

paying a fine because you can't afford health insurance?

There is a waiver. I am quite sure this waiver will be used to cover "the poor" that do not qualify for Medicaid. It will be a fine/tax aimed directly at those who opt out. What is interesting is that it seems the onus is on us to show that we do have insurance.

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The best way out of this is to stall. Every state needs to post their own law rejecting ObamaCare, which will be challenged. The states will risk sanctions by doing this. Oh well. As each of these laws is challenged on up the pipe, it will take time. All of the laws will have slightly different language. Tie up the appeals courts and, if need be, the USSC at the end of the line. By then, one can hope the newly-elected Congress will strike this nonsense down. It is our job to ensure that the state versions are not even worse.

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Unintended consequences, btw? The insurance companies are being told they must provide insurance to a whole lot of people, and can turn no one down. They are being told there is no maximum cap on benefits. The only way I can see surviving, as an insurance company, is providing much lower benefits for much higher premiums. What? You say people will get mad and not buy insurance? Hah! It's required! You can also tie price hikes to increases in risk, which is what happens with auto/home insurance now, which is why a lot of people carry those policies but don't make "small claims" against the policy.

 

[romancito]

You say people will get mad and not buy insurance? Hah! It's required! You can also tie price hikes to increases in risk, which is what happens with auto/home insurance now, which is why a lot of people carry those policies but don't make "small claims" against the policy.

The problem with Roberts ruling is that "as a tax" it opens the doors... State governors are complaining but soon they will adopt even more draconian versions of it. Then counties and cities will get into the game. Why? Yes as a way to reduce premiums (the justification) but as a way to raise revenue and increase employment and college courses and degrees. This is the end of life as we know it. We will merge with China but in a worse way. Liberty and freedom will be historical notions. All thanks to Roberts saying "is a tax."

Insurance companies will tie their premiums to localities that promote regulations and life style changes.

Instead of "a thousand points of light" not it will be "a thousand certified/degree compliance officers and educators, one living next to you."

 

[Liberty74]

No you can't lie and just say you have insurance. There will be some sort of proof required. Might be paper. Might be your SS number tied to an insurance co. Etc.

I am sure some will try and lie but the IRS is hiring an additional 15,000 people to make sure you comply or get caught lying. The KGB will make sure they get theirs.

Thank you Obama and thank you Romney.

 

[matt0611]

In Massachusetts we have to provide our health insurance code number or whatever its called on our tax forms. So I'm assuming it will be something like that.

 

[juleswin]

I wonder if you can just buy insurance for a couple of months and show that in your tax return to avoid paying the tax. Also when they talk about religious exemption, what religion are they talking about? cos I have a feeling that I will be joining a new religion very soon.

 

[Carlybee]

Some info via Factcheck

http://qvga.factcheck.org/2012/06/how-much-is-the-obamacare-tax/#.T-2gFJ-1t2k.facebook

 

[DamianTV]

No, all health insurance will be regulated by the government and you must have a government approved insurance plan.

Which means you are REQUIRED TO PAY but are not ENTITLED TO RECEIVE BENEFITS. There goes that pesky ENTITLEMENT thing again that RP has already addressed.

 

[liberdom]

No, all health insurance will be regulated by the government and you must have a government approved insurance plan.

plus you will either submit a receipt or some policy number for their verification, this is assuming they don't get the information before having to ask ,which they easily can.

 

[roho76]

Maybe 1% of this forum understood that.

I predicted it would pass, because like the income tax, it is constitutional (as it is part of the income tax, like FICA). Only a small minority of the members here understand what is being done, and understand their remedies.

I'm a 1%'er, YAY!....Wait...? Nvmd.

 

[clint4liberty]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-your-obamacare-tax-penalty-over-2085-a-year/ This is the absolute facts on the health care tax
penalties being implemented under Obamacare starting in 2014.

 

[Danke]

I'm a 1%'er, YAY!....Wait...? Nvmd.

Ya, I predicted it would pass, as it is just part of the constitutional income tax.

 

[devil21]

I wonder if you can just buy insurance for a couple of months and show that in your tax return to avoid paying the tax. Also when they talk about religious exemption, what religion are they talking about? cos I have a feeling that I will be joining a new religion very soon.

IIRC, it was the Amish/Mennonite that were exempt.

 

[Carlybee]

IIRC, it was the Amish/Mennonite that were exempt.

Members of Indian tribes are also exempt.

 

[Lindsey]

I belong to the Church of Individual Liberties. Why are the Amish and Mennonites being given special treatment over my church? How do I get my religious exemption?