How does the IRS know if you do not have health insurance?

[awake]

Obama care is simply a transition phase to government directly taxing and paying for healthcare...Insurances will and must be enveloped by the federal government. Canada, the model socialist system, simply deducts and dictates fees and health treatments and procedure coverage. And because of this, the Canadian healthcare model is operating in constant crises and service reduction.

 

[Danke]

The flaw in the new health-fine schema is similar to the flaw in the whole IRS system. All liabilities, including penalties and fines alleged by the IRS require an ASSESSMENT, or some determination being made that something is due. This is almost always based on unsworn information reports you or a third party submit to the IRS, who then use that paper trail to create an equitable case to allege you owe.

Most of this is done but computerized processing, not by anybody verifying or swearing to the information for completeness or correctness. So this is NOT the same thing as verified proof of claim of a correct, or lawfully completed assessment. Allegations still need to be proven. If you contest the assessment and demonstate it was NOT done lawfully, the fines do not need to be paid, as a completed assessment process must precede any lawful enforcement of amounts due. If millions of Americans so challenge the bogus automated reports that no one has verified, be it concerning health care or the income tax, the system will go into overload and shut down.

Maybe 1% of this forum understood that.

I predicted it would pass, because like the income tax, it is constitutional (as it is part of the income tax, like FICA). Only a small minority of the members here understand what is being done, and understand their remedies.

 

[Southerner]

Obama care is simply a transition phase to government directly taxing and paying for healthcare...Insurances will and must be enveloped by the federal government. Canada, the model socialist system, simply deducts and dictates fees and health treatments and procedure coverage. And because of this, the Canadian healthcare model is operating in constant crises and service reduction.

Correct, and we too will go to either nationalized or single payer HC within a few years, as we head ever closer to that financial cliff.

 

[romancito]

If it is a tax, as far as I am concerned it is a mandate. Means that if you don't comply it is a flaw on your record. Your potential employer may feel you are not a responsible enough citizen to be given the position versus another responsible candidate. Your record follows you forever. You may not be able to buy or sell (i.e., a home). You will either have to fill a form with your tax return acknowledging compliance or else your doctor/hospital will fill a form they send to the IRS. The details will work themselves slowly but if you choose not to purchase insurance until you actually need it then there will be penalties with respect to a number of issues I'm sure. And you may be dropped under the slightest of misrepresentations, etc. But the worse is that you may not be able to wipe out any debt related to healthcare ever. I don't know. I looks bad to me as a tax. You may get regular home visits from compliance officers. You may be required to report to a court or some kind of agency like the Agriculture Dept. I think it may become hell on earth for anyone brave enough to go their own way. And I think it will get worse. The state may say that as a tax they can do a similar mandate on other stuff. The county too and the city. That is what scares me the most and not the healthcare tax at the federal level. The state, county and city are much much scarey. I am scared. I think this is the end of an era and the beginning of another. I think I'll listen to Coast to Coast AM tonight and stay awake the rest of the morning.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

Maybe 1% of this forum understood that.

I predicted it would pass, because like the income tax, it is constitutional (as it is part of the income tax, like FICA). Only a small minority of the members here understand what is being done, and understand their remedies.

Apart from what P&F said above, can you explain about the 1%. Is there fear/caution/etc. where it need not be. Tell us the remedies. Thanks, Danke.

 

[devil21]

Well, like income taxes, if there's no paperwork filed for you by any 3rd party (employers, banks, etc) then they don't really know what you're doing or not doing. Most of the process is automated now and cross checks records for inaccuracies. No records = no knowledge.

 

[DEGuy]

Is it possible that someone could set up an insurance company that costs nothing (or very little) to join that doesn't actually pay out any benefits? But it would still be able to report to Big Brother that Johnny has an insurance plan? I guess it would be on a state-by-state basis, and there would have to be some trickery like appearing to give benefits, yet everything must be paid by the person (infinite deductible?) I remember someone who had an insurance card that costs almost nothing to have, and didn't pay any benefits, but would satisfy a hospital or a doctor who needed proof of insurance.

There's gotta be some kinda loophole here! This IS government legislation, after all.

 

[donnay]

Its unreal that I have to pay a fine because I eat healthy and dont require healthcare. BONKERS

What ever happened to "No Taxation without representation?" We are not getting any representation. This will do nothing to help the people.

 

[Southerner]

http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=22658205 LOL! @ the dread pirate Roberts!

 

[Danke]

Apart from what P&F said above, can you explain about the 1%. Is there fear/caution/etc. where it need not be. Tell us the remedies. Thanks, Danke.

You have been here since Jul 2007. Do a search. It has been all explained over and over again.

 

[wgadget]

A friend who is an accountant at a hospital told me that each employee's health insurance premiums were reported on their W-2 forms. This was in 2010, I believe. At the time, she wondered about it...

 

[Eagles' Wings]

You have been here since Jul 2007. Do a search. It has been all explained over and over again.

Yes, not nearly as much posting as many though. I must admit that there are many issues I just don't get. You on the other hand have many reps and I'd hoped you would explain what you meant. It's up to you. I will research too.

 

[Danke]

Yes, not nearly as much posting as many though. I must admit that there are many issues I just don't get. You on the other hand have many reps and I'd hoped you would explain what you meant. It's up to you. I will research too.

I'd recommend starting here: http://losthorizons.com/CtCforFree.pdf

Then go to the website and search various tax questions: http://losthorizons.com

There is even a forum there if you have questions. I use to answer them here, but gave up as very few wanted to learn the truth about the income tax. Or they just responded that the courts are corrupt (can't really argue with that), so you had better do as the IRS/authorities tell you to do, regardless of the law.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Is it possible that someone could set up an insurance company that costs nothing (or very little) to join that doesn't actually pay out any benefits? But it would still be able to report to Big Brother that Johnny has an insurance plan? I guess it would be on a state-by-state basis, and there would have to be some trickery like appearing to give benefits, yet everything must be paid by the person (infinite deductible?) I remember someone who had an insurance card that costs almost nothing to have, and didn't pay any benefits, but would satisfy a hospital or a doctor who needed proof of insurance.

That's doubtful. It may be possible to wage lawsuits against the health care companies themselves. Be as difficult as possible. Don't sign anything waving your right to sue. Don't agree to anything. Don't agree to pay (especially penalties, interest, third-party collections). Don't agree to arbitration.

There could be a two-way street where health insurance companies are mandated to take customers and have less ability to negotiate contracts. This may be wishful thinking. A direct confrontation with the IRS is most likley fruitless. We might make gains by attacking the companies.

All health insurance providers offering group or individual coverage in any state must accept every employer and every individual that applies for coverage. Insurance provider may restrict enrollment in any given plan to “open enrollment” or “special enrollment” periods that meet certain regulations set forth by the federal government.

All health insurance providers must renew coverage should the enrollee choose to renew.

Health insurance providers may not make rules that dictate who is eligible for coverage based on any of these factors:

“Health Status”
“Medical Condition”
Past “claims experience”
“Receipt of health care”
“Medical history”
“Genetic information”
“Evidence of insurability”
“Disability”
Any health-status related factor determined appropriate by the government

http://libertyandpride.com/insurance-companies-have-to-cover-everyone-under-obamacare/

We ought to bankrupt the providers.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

I'd recommend starting here: http://losthorizons.com/CtCforFree.pdf

Then go to the website and search various tax questions: http://losthorizons.com

There is even a forum there if you have questions. I use to answer them here, but gave up as very few wanted to learn the truth about the income tax. Or they just responded that the courts are corrupt (can't really argue with that), so you had better do as the IRS/authorities tell you to do, regardless of the law.

Looks very good and I will read more later. I have read some of the posts about income tax and it does get heated. Sailingaway just posted a video from reality check that is very good. Anyway, thanks for the link!

 

[robertwerden]

I am self employed, so I have no w2. What happens then? I report that I have insurance and I start an insurance company where I sell my self insurance?
This law needs to fucking go fast.

I'm think of joining the tea party, just so I can scream a little.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

paying a fine because you can't afford health insurance?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=22658205 LOL! @ the dread pirate Roberts!

"They can take our money but they can never take our freedom", really? Someone needs to tell him about "economic freedom" and how that's needed to pursue happiness.

edit: pursue happiness, hell, right now it's hard just to hold on to what we have, much less pursue something.

 

[Carlybee]

A friend who is an accountant at a hospital told me that each employee's health insurance premiums were reported on their W-2 forms. This was in 2010, I believe. At the time, she wondered about it...

It actually went in to effect on the 2011 forms and was voluntary for some depending on number of employees. This year it will be mandatory for most. They put the box on the form in 2010 and said it was for "tracking purposes to help the employer keep track of health benefit contributions"...to which I said BS at the time. They wouldn't put a box on there except for one reason and that is to tax it...which is probably where it is headed...of course that would only apply to people whose company provides healthcare benefits and they want the entire cost of the benefit in there including the portion the employee contributes.

 

[drummergirl]

Peace&Freedom made perfect sense to me.

Maybe 1% of this forum understood that.

I predicted it would pass, because like the income tax, it is constitutional (as it is part of the income tax, like FICA). Only a small minority of the members here understand what is being done, and understand their remedies.