How do we get RPForums back together? Can Bryan

[Truth Warrior]

I like the idea, but it sounds too extreme packaged that way. How about this.

"Reduce federal spending with the goal of eliminnating the need for a personal income tax"

and.

"Place the power to control interest rates with investors and lenders" or something like that.

Marketing is not my forte. Whatever it takes to get the job done.

On second thought, it sounds too much like just more of the same old tired typical political "doublespeak" and doubletalk to me. ( nothing personal )

Thanks!

 

[Dave Wood]

If we coalesce behind just one person, we fail when that person does...

If we coalesce behind principles, we can only grow stronger, and between us, our principles can be stamped out, and made stronger.

If we could come up with these principles, we could come up with a small but attainable goal..

A phone banking company is one of those good ideas... a mailing list, phone list, email list.

A newsletter.

There are ways.

I think RPF might be better off if we stay away from "NEWSLETTERS" if you get my meaning

 

[me3]

The forum is fine. I don't miss 3,000 members online all posting "Anderson Cooper is an ass!"

QFT. A little too much noise until the forums got broken into subforums. The board became unreadable for awhile.

That didnt bother me a bit......only thing was some of the really deep infighting. We were like a bunch of siblings fighting over the remote.:o

Of course it didn't. You are a master of posting offtopic in the wrong forum.

 

[amy31416]

I actually don't disagree with any of those...

I would be interested in what you would do to fix the department of education though...

We really do have a lot in common, if we choose to see beyond our differences.

Well, as far as it goes with the Dept of Ed, I think it needs to be stripped back immensely on the Federal level. I taught Chemistry and Physics on the college level and it was stunning how little the students knew, and how little they wanted to know.

So, what I think needs to happen is to set up a state system that motivates the parents to take responsibility. Have you heard of success stories of kids in the ghetto where they almost always point to a mother or father who instilled values in them of the importance of education, even if they weren't educated themselves? It's not 100% of the answer, but it's very important. And just like this campaign is ground-up, I think that's important because it gives people ownership and pride in good results. Just like a business that gives the employees profit-sharing.

As it is now, people just point and blame the "idiots" without ever trying to do something to improve it. Not everyone should be a teacher, for certain, but there is a lot we can do. I used to volunteer at our local library, teaching people how to use the internet. I always thought it would be interesting to teach adult literacy as well, but I'm not too qualified. . .I should go ahead and figure it out and take the reigns and just do it.

 

[Dave Wood]

QFT. A little too much noise until the forums got broken into subforums. The board became unreadable for awhile.


Of course it didn't. You are a master of posting offtopic in the wrong forum.

and with all due respect, you have always appeared to be a control freak in a good kind of way.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I think that we need a spokesperson as cool and smooth as the late Harry Browne.

"Why Government Doesn't Work".
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/119977.pdf

 

[amy31416]

Well stated Amy, agree 100% We need to come up with a few reasonable, easy to understand goals. They dont have to cost money.
This is silly but I like the idea of working toward getting a Ron Paul sign in front of every IRS office and every fed reserve office....maybe even a bumper sticker on one of D.Rockefellers cars LOL

Ha! I have four Ron Paul signs that have the IRS' name on it. We definitely need to spread the message that the IRS and the Fed need to work for us and not the other way around. We need to fire the IRS, and in order to do that, we need to band together.

I have already taken some steps.

 

[micahnelson]

I mean, nobody likes the IRS. If we are a government of the people and for the people, why do we still have it?

Thats a simple question that might spark some ideas in peoples' minds.

Its almost like in the matrix (i know , i know, movie references are lowbrow). Morpheus gives him a pill that makes the world around him dissolve into reality, and that things he believed to be real, were not so.

Few choose to leave the matrix, but we can do things to sabotage the system.

One little thing i do to jar people is to ask if they accept federal reserve notes, or if they still take US Dollars.

 

[LibertyEagle]

VERY good point! We need a new goal!

We need a target of some sort, something to rally around and get accomplished.

It was always about taking our country back and reinstating the Constitution as the law of the land. Or, that's what I thought anyway. Ron Paul was only one of the many tools we need to get there.

I personally see no conflict of interest in moving forward with getting as many delegates as we can for the convention, while at the same time getting involved in the local level on up and taking over the GOP, or whatever you personally deem best to do.

This is no time to stop. The consequences are not good at all.

 

[qh4dotcom]

or Josh send out a mass e-mail to all members?

I don't ever recall getting one e-mail from ronpaulforums.com...other than the e-mail asking me to verify my e-mail address when I signed up.

When I joined I thought I would get an "instant e-mail notification" for every thread I am subscribed to anytime there is a new post...since that option is available.

 

[amy31416]

It was always about taking our country back and reinstating the Constitution as the law of the land. Or, that's what I thought anyway. Ron Paul was only one of the many tools we need to get there.

I personally see no conflict of interest in moving forward with getting as many delegates as we can for the convention, while at the same time getting involved in the local level on up and taking over the GOP, or whatever you personally deem best to do.

This is no time to stop. The consequences are not good at all.

I agree and I think what we're looking for is some semblance of leadership, or direction if you will. Not necessarily a hierarchy of sorts, but perhaps our own "think tank" needs to come out of grassroots. People who are trustworthy, knowledgeable and innovative, maybe even a little part cheerleader.

If we rally around particular causes or events and become united, yet still retain our ability to openly question and debate things (we need to get a bit better about being civil in debate, we have such a broad spectrum of people.)

I guess I'm thinking more along the lines of "projects" rather than only money bombs, something to educate the public on the Constitution or a specific part of it to help sway voters to vote for people like Sabrin, Sanders, Forsythe, et al. Don't get me wrong, the fund raising is important, but it's also very important to begin the arduous task of increasing awareness among the masses. We've been bamboozled by our government and led like cows to slaughter with these wars.

It's too important of a cause to allow division and chaos.

 

[derdy]

I haven't been on as much due to increased workload at work (as opposed to not working and surfing the net ) and I'm also organzing delegates for my county (need 137) in my upcoming caucus in less than 48 hours!!

 

[joemiller]

How about taking over the GOP?

VERY good point! We need a new goal!

We need a target of some sort, something to rally around and get accomplished.

I think taking over the GOP is a worth while political goal to undertake at the present time; don't you?

At present, the political support Dr. Paul has worked so hard to muster is in danger to drifting away simply due to a lack of leadership on this point. As I have stated, it really doesn't matter what we do as long as we all do it together. If we fail to act as a single body, our political power will dissipate irrespective of the paths we take.

Dr. Paul has already set a new political goal for all of us to act upon. It is simple, direct and very, very powerful. Dr. Paul wants all of his supporters to place their names on the November ballot as precinct committee men and women of their local county Republican Parties. Do this and the R3volution will continue no matter what other paths you may take.

joe

 

[micahnelson]

I'm not sure how far we are going to get with the GOP beyond local levels, but admittedly i don't know much about it. I feel like maybe we should, as a separate effort, have something nonpartisan. some people just won't ever trust republicans again, even though democrats are no saints either.

Maybe im idealistic to think a nonpartisan, or above partisan political move can make an impact. i think people do feel very dissolutioned with the whole system right now.

 

[fatdumb]

How about somthing like this?

I took this from freedom force international
http://www.freedom-force.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=creed


THE CREED OF FREEDOM

INTRINSIC NATURE OF RIGHTS
I believe that only individuals have rights, not the collective group; that these rights are intrinsic to each individual, not granted by the state; for if the state has the power to grant them, it also has the power to deny them, and that is incompatible with personal liberty.
I believe that a just government derives its power solely from the governed. Therefore, the state must never presume to do anything beyond what individual citizens also have the right to do. Otherwise, the state is a power unto itself and becomes the master instead of the servant of society.

SUPREMACY OF THE INDIVIDUAL
I believe that one of the greatest threats to freedom is to allow any group, no matter its numeric superiority, to deny the rights of the minority; and that one of the primary functions of just government is to protect each individual from the greed and passion of the majority.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE
I believe that desirable social and economic objectives are better achieved by voluntary action than by coercion of law. I believe that social tranquility and brotherhood are better achieved by tolerance, persuasion, and the power of good example than by coercion of law. I believe that those in need are better served by charity, which is the giving of one's own money, than by welfare, which is the giving of other people's money through coercion of law.

EQUALITY UNDER LAW
I believe that all citizens should be equal under law, regardless of their national origin, race, religion, gender, education, economic status, life style, or political opinion. Likewise, no class should be given preferential treatment, regardless of the merit or popularity of its cause. To favor one class over another is not equality under law.

PROPER ROLE OF GOVERNMENT
I believe that the proper role of government is negative, not positive; defensive, not aggressive. It is to protect, not to provide; for if the state is granted the power to provide for some, it must also be able to take from others, and once that power is granted, there are those who will seek it for their advantage. It always leads to legalized plunder and loss of freedom. If government is powerful enough to give us everything we want, it is also powerful enough to take from us everything we have. Therefore, the proper function of government is to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens; nothing more. That government is best which governs least.


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THE THREE COMMANDMENTS OF FREEDOM

The Creed of Freedom is based on five principles. However, in day-to-day application, they can be reduced to just three codes of conduct. I consider them to be The Three Commandments of Freedom:

INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS
Do not sacrifice the rights of any individual or minority for the assumed rights of the group.

EQUALITY UNDER LAW
Do not endorse any law that does not apply to all citizens equally.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE
Do not use coercion for any purpose except to protect human life, liberty, or property.


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THE THREE PILLARS OF FREEDOM

Another way of viewing these principles is to consider them as the three pillars of freedom. They are concepts that underlie the ideology of individualism, and individualism is the indispensable foundation of freedom.

 

[alaric]

I think as long as people assume we are running a Presidential Election here, no one will come back.

We shouldn't set our sights on a goal that is no longer attainable, by Dr. Paul's own admission.

he did NOT say that. he said 'victory is not attainable by conventional means'. that means victory may be attainable thru UNconventional means. that is not giving up!

 

[HollyforRP]

Hire a belly dancer.

 

[BigRedBrent]

I'm not sure how far we are going to get with the GOP beyond local levels

We need to take over the GOP at the local level if we ever want a voice at the national level. No party is as powerful and as vulnerable to this as the GOP is right now. And many will tell you that all politics is local. Not completely true but it may be the quickest way we have at a national presence. With little to no actual support for McCain (Not that I have been able to see anyway, I mean who the heck would dedicate time for this man?), we have a very distinct opportunity at this moment to get a lot more support for our movement.

You calling me a propagandist? Guilty! Gotta fight fire with fire!

I think I would prefer to fight fire with some suffocating flame retardant foam. But that is just me. I mean I also thought that ignorance could be cured with education. But what do I know?

 

[micahnelson]

Hire a belly dancer.

Without question.

 

[acptulsa]

I think I would prefer to fight fire with some suffocating flame retardant foam. But that is just me. I mean I also thought that ignorance could be cured with education. But what do I know?

Well, I do generally fight real fire with water, I admit. However, sometimes a controlled burn is just the thing. Without fuel... Of course, if you don't make sure your controlled burn is controlled, you've shot yourself in the foot, too.

Analogies aside, taking over the G.O.P. from the grassroots up is indeed important, but I think education is just as important. One supports the other--if we aren't better at winning hearts and minds than the neocons, why would the party apparatus reject them for us? I mean, they might agree with us, but they want success, too.