How do I respond to this.

Jack Parsons

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Myself and several co workers have ongoing arguments about the current state of the US, and whether or not it will ever be fixed.

The argument started after I read a headline on Drudge stating that legislation is going through that will cause small businesses making over a million dollars to be be taxed 45%. He thinks this is perfectly fine, anyone making a large sum of money should be capped and have their wealth given to poorer people. I was able to call him out on that, no troubles with a response but what really gets me is this:

He believes that nothing will change in this country because all of the large companies (Exxon was one he mentioned) will continue to influence public leaders for their benefit with money. The people can't do anything about it, because leaders opinion is primarily swayed by money. He made claims about this being the only way these elected officials hold so many terms in office, they "never piss off the wrong people" the wrong people being the large companies giving them money.

He then cited an example.

The gas prices. Last year at the pumps people were furious, paying their whole days earnings just to fill up their vehicles. People were almost mad enough to make a difference, and these large corporations funding our leaders saw this so they decided to lower the gas prices so people would be satisfied again. They just tap dance on our last nerves, and right before a revolution things are changed so the people will shut up and go watch TV or play video games and stop thinking.

The bailout. It had huge public disapproval. Everyone thought it was a terrible idea, yet Congress let it pass. If the disapproval of the people can't stop a trillion dollar bail out, how can they change anything?

I tried telling him that views of those such as Ron Paul and Peter Schiff are becoming more mainstream, and he partialy agrees - but the force of the people will never be able to compete with the money of the top tier.

What can I say to this? Is he right?
 
Sure, and many libertarians want to campaign money totally unrestricted. Corporatocracy is already here and deeply rooted. It might be worth your time to look into "Iron Triangles" for "non-fringe" information on how our government becomes corrupt. So I don't think we're going to see any let-up of corruption while our government continues to claim authority over others' business affairs.

I imagine the most obvious way to solve this is with a constitution that restricts what government can do, especially something like the bailout. It's unlikely our current constitution will ever be re-interpreted the way many here (the originalists/constitutionalists) believe it should be. Something Judge Andrew Napolitano has been giving some attention to is a potential Constitutional Convention ("Con Con") coming up to significantly alter/amend the Constitution. Inherent risks to that, of course.

The only other way I see out of this problem is to move toward direct democracy. Tyranny of the majority, perhaps, but when the minority is so empowered and corrupted by lobbyists, it may benefit us.

Changing our representatives might bring some change... very... slowly.... Ron Paul has proven fairly immune to corruption. I imagine some other critters with character would do us well.

Does he fail to see government is the problem or is he just blaming the Republicans in government?
 
At the heart of his rant seems to be a belief that the one with the most TV commercials will always and without fail win. Now, ask him if it's at least theoretically possible that we start a fad of voting for those with the fewest commercials, and what effect that fad might have. This could lead to an interesting conversation, if nothing else.
 
Take out the power from goverment and politicians and companies will have no incentive to go there.
 
He is right about big corporations but, the people do have the real power and until everyone realizes that it is with our wallets that we get things done and stop buying into all this BS that the big corporations are spitting out ie: bad products that cost too much; they will keep doing what they are doing and the people will be left holding the short end of the stick every time.

Every since 9-11 I have been promoting that the day 9-11 be a day that nobody drives or flies and see how much it cleans the air and also make the big oil companies get a dose of their own medicine cause they do contribute heavily to air pollution and the rape of the public's income. I remember when 9-11 happened and how blue sky was and how fresh the air smelled because the planes weren't flying. I also think it would be a good way to honor the people who died on that day. Fuck cap and trade do this instead and it won't cost the people a dime and the pollution will clear so much people might want to not drive or fly one day out of every month. And the big oil companies will loose some power over the people.
 
Excellent & relevant article on corruption (ACU lobbyists requested money from UPS/FedEx in exchange for the ACU's [and, by extension, the congressmen holds influence over] endorsement & propaganda). The only way to solve this is to decentralize power. There are different options to get to that goal, but you must decentralize power...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25072.html
 
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