How Do Christians Reconcile Evolution?

[oyarde]

I have never felt that my faith in Jesus has anything to do with my learning, research of the natural environment , science , history.

 

[hazek]

I have never felt that my faith in my invisible friend has anything to do with my learning, research of the natural environment , science , history.

FYP

 

[Gary4Liberty]

It's problematic for anybody who doesn't know what he's talking about. I would rather first understand what it is you don't buy, don't understand, and explain to the best of my ability, but I can't and won't if you're not interested or already decided. Now, you can keep making strawman claims if you wish not to learn.

ill decline your offer to make me a disciple of your religion and 'teach' me your dogmas. Thanks anyway. You just keep telling yourself that others are using strawmen so you dont have to face anything that questions your faith. I dont buy soup to man, feel free to try to explain that to us who dont understand the encrypted things of the academia. It will be a great demonstration of your own ignorance and make my point beautifully.

 

[Gary4Liberty]

The title of the video you posted is Scientist CREATE first synthetic cell. But that's irrelevant. Whatever you want to call it, it was done by intelligent design. Unless, of course, you think these scientists weren't intelligent. So the failure is all yours.

AHAHHAHHAHHA I LOVE IT!!! The title of the video should be "SCIENTIST PROVE INTELLIGENT DESIGN BY CREATING A CELL" Nice.

 

[opinionatedfool]

(Disclaimer, I'm not Christian.)

So, i've been studying a lot of information regarding Human evolution and I'm genuinely curious how Christians can believe in evolution?

It would seem to me that the two are completely incompatible. Evolution (at least macro-evolution) holds the idea that we evolved from ape to man in a somewhat-linear progression. That is directly contradictory to the "creationist" theory.


So, I would just like to get your thoughts on the subject.

do you believe that evolution is a completely fasle theory and creationism is correct?

do you believe maybe the bible isn't completely correct, but that there is a god who started something, somewhere?

Anything in between?

Read the Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel. It may not convince you, but it will make you think about evolution in a different light.

PM me if you have a Kindle. I may be able to loan you mine if that option is available for that book.

 

[onlyrp]

ill decline your offer to make me a disciple of your religion and 'teach' me your dogmas. Thanks anyway. You just keep telling yourself that others are using strawmen so you dont have to face anything that questions your faith. I dont buy soup to man, feel free to try to explain that to us who dont understand the encrypted things of the academia. It will be a great demonstration of your own ignorance and make my point beautifully.

That's what you call winning an argument and being skeptical?

You already decided in advance it's "religion, dogma, soup to man, faith". So don't complain when that's ever used against you.
"Keep telling yourself you're innocent, we decline your offer to make blanket denials"

 

[Gary4Liberty]

in advance of what? I was indoctrinated with evolution in public schools just like everyone else. I have made conclusions just as you have. Predictably you have not try to explain soup to man. Its comical how delusional you are to think of yourself as a teacher of truth to the lost sheep. The irony is so sweet. Reminds me of the old catholic church that had priests who were the only ones who could understand and had to explain it to everyone. (actually this was also done to control the masses and keep them dependent just like the academia does from high atop their ivory towers).. oh the irony and hypocrisy of your religion. A simple application of logic shows evolution to be a boys fantasy. Logic trumps all.

 

[onlyrp]

You start out with soup to man and you ask to me explain something i never said, then why i try to see what you accept and work fromthere you decline and call it dogma. What do you know about logic and what is you scientific theory that trumps evolution if you have one?

in advance of what? I was indoctrinated with evolution in public schools just like everyone else. I have made conclusions just as you have. Predictably you have not try to explain soup to man. Its comical how delusional you are to think of yourself as a teacher of truth to the lost sheep. The irony is so sweet. Reminds me of the old catholic church that had priests who were the only ones who could understand and had to explain it to everyone. (actually this was also done to control the masses and keep them dependent just like the academia does from high atop their ivory towers).. oh the irony and hypocrisy of your religion. A simple application of logic shows evolution to be a boys fantasy. Logic trumps all.

 

[trey4sports]

Im not advancing the idea of extra terrestrials designing living things or trying to explain their origin. Im only saying that Ive noticed that more and more people of the academia are proposing theories of extra terrestrials starting life at least human life on this planet. This is due the the increasing realization by them that evolution is mathematically impossible. These are not my thoughts only my observations.

I though you were pulling this out of your ass but I just watched an episode of into the universe with Stephen hawking and one of the ideas he brings up is the idea that life originated elsewhere and came here via asteroid. Tuche

 

[squarepusher]

So is God not powerful enough to create man from soup?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

(Disclaimer, I'm not Christian.)

So, i've been studying a lot of information regarding Human evolution and I'm genuinely curious how Christians can believe in evolution?

It would seem to me that the two are completely incompatible. Evolution (at least macro-evolution) holds the idea that we evolved from ape to man in a somewhat-linear progression. That is directly contradictory to the "creationist" theory.


So, I would just like to get your thoughts on the subject.

do you believe that evolution is a completely fasle theory and creationism is correct?

do you believe maybe the bible isn't completely correct, but that there is a god who started something, somewhere?

Anything in between?

Not all Christians believe in a literal interpretation of scriptures. Evolution can be part of a bigger plan.

 

[otherone]

So is God not powerful enough to create man from soup?

Nope. It's not about God's power...it's about the Divinity of the bible. The bible doesn't say it happened that way, therefore...it didn't. Quite scientific, really.

 

[Southron]

Not all Christians believe in a literal interpretation of scriptures. Evolution can be part of a bigger plan.

You run into all sorts of problems theologically if you don't take a literal view of Genesis, though.

 

[onlyrp]

I though you were pulling this out of your ass but I just watched an episode of into the universe with Stephen hawking and one of the ideas he brings up is the idea that life originated elsewhere and came here via asteroid. Tuche

Stephen Hawking isn't a biologist. Just saying.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Originally posted by AquaBuddha2010

FYP and:
Laws don't exist, only the thought of laws does.

1. You just refuted yourself by using the law of identity.

2. Also you committed the fallacy of induction because you are making a universal statement based on your subjective experience (your brain). Since you do not have universal knowledge and experience, you cannot use it to make a universal statement of truth. Universal statements must be deductive.

Concepts don't exist, only the thought of concepts does.

Self-refuting. What you just stated is a concept.

Thoughts exist as chemical processes in your brain.

How do you know this?

And what is a chemical reaction and how did you come to know about it? By sensation?

How have you seen or heard a chemical reaction?


How do you know that you have a brain?

Scientists only believe something exists 100% sure when they can prove with empirical evidence the rest are merely hypothesis and theories about what may exist and is material. There is nothing I believe exists that is immaterial, nothing.

A confirmed hypothesis says nothing about the truth of the hypothesis. Correlation does not imply causation. This is the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

Do you think that because laws of logic are only in your brain, you can break them and still be rational?

That's an interesting concept (wait, how did I just understand your concept if concepts are only "thoughts" in your brain, Hazek? Did I just reach into your brain and feel one of your chemical reactions?) Man, your epistemology and your ontology doesn't make sense bro!

EDIT: Materiality is a condition for existence because that is what it means for something to exist in our shared reality.

1. That is a circular argument. "Our existence is only material because existence is defined by what is material."

2. What is "reality"? How did you come to know about it? Through sensation? If you only have your sensations to tell you what "reality" is, how can you ever test your sensations against the "reality"? By another one of your sensations? But all that shows is that all you have are your sense perceptions.

As soon as you claim something exists for both you and me, materiality is the condition, since how can something exist for you and me but I can't find any proof, or evidence or experience a consequence for it and only you can?

What is the proof that you and I do not exist in a purely non-material world?

Are you not gonna play, Hazek?

 

[oyarde]

FYP

Not really sure what FYP means , is that For Your Post ? As for my post , I did not mention any invisible friends , if you would like to make a point about the post { I am ok with that ] , please use what is was that I said .

 

[slamhead]

Fundamentally for me I look at the fact that evolution cannot explain all things. Even Darwin realized this. I believe that species do evolve over time and those with the preferable traits become the species that survive. I feel that there are certain things in nature that cannot be explained by evolution. I often site the reproduction process of a bot fly. How in the hell can a fly with the brain the size of the tip of a needle come up with laying it's larvae on a mosquito know that this mosquito will then transfer these larvae to a host?

How did evolution know that a giraffe would need valves in its neck to stem the flow of blood to it's brain as to not kill it when it leans down for water? I think nature and evolution go hand in hand. I often think people who put all their eggs in either basket are fooling themselves.

 

[MaxPower]

(Disclaimer, I'm not Christian.)

So, i've been studying a lot of information regarding Human evolution and I'm genuinely curious how Christians can believe in evolution?

It would seem to me that the two are completely incompatible. Evolution (at least macro-evolution) holds the idea that we evolved from ape to man in a somewhat-linear progression. That is directly contradictory to the "creationist" theory.


So, I would just like to get your thoughts on the subject.

do you believe that evolution is a completely fasle theory and creationism is correct?

do you believe maybe the bible isn't completely correct, but that there is a god who started something, somewhere?

Anything in between?

Evolutionary theory obviously contradicts the strict, literalistic reading of the biblical book of Genesis as an inerrant, historically-factual Word of God. It is, however, quite narrow to apply a blanket label to all of "Christianity" as adhering to this particular doctrine-- and lest you think that all Christians believed in a historically-factual and inerrant book of Genesis up until scientific discoveries disproved it, note, for example, that even St. Augustine, an esteemed and influential church father writing in the fourth century A.D., argued that Genesis was not to be taken literally, and was instead a symbolic/allegorical story.

 

[onlyrp]

Fundamentally for me I look at the fact that evolution cannot explain all things.

Are you saying evolution cannot explain everything in biology? Who ever said it could? What theory could explain all things in biology?

 

[onlyrp]

How did evolution know that a giraffe would need valves in its neck to stem the flow of blood to it's brain as to not kill it when it leans down for water? I think nature and evolution go hand in hand. I often think people who put all their eggs in either basket are fooling themselves.

Because only the ones who didn't die survived. Do you consider that maybe it happened in reverse order? That is, only those with valves were able to lean down, and only those were able to later acquire (inherit, preserve) longer necks?