How could RP have done what he promised??

[riner69er]

Apologies if this has been addressed here already, but I have heard this complaint recently and was wondering if RP ever really outlined how he could implement the kind of changes he wanted.

Could he close military bases in Germany, Taiwan, Korea, Korea, etc., and bring those troops home, or would he need some type of congressional approval for that?

Same with the Fed, could he as President have just ended the Fed and put America on a gold standard? I cant believe it would have been that easy, and I cant believe it would have had the support of, well pretty much anyone else in government. So how was he going to do that?

What about abolishing the IRS? I have heard that because the IRS is a government entity, they are totally funded through the budget, and all RP would have to do is exclude any funding for the IRS in his budget.

 

[dannno]

Military bases: He could refuse to sign the spending bills and effectively shut down the government.


IRS: He could decide to effectively pardon anybody who didn't pay income taxes.


War on Drugs: He could pardon any non-violent drug criminals



I'm not saying what he would do, but the fact is he has the tools to do what he wanted to accomplish. One of the biggest thing would be the fact that he could sit down and have fireside chats to educate people about liberty. He would have a bully pulpit or whatever.

 

[acptulsa]

Hell, the Republicans in Congress are sitting up and taking notice as it is, and he lost. I can't believe the way our Sen. Inhofe is voting these days. It's like someone jacked up his hat and drove a carbon copy of Coburn in under it. Imagine if he had won...

 

[Truth Warrior]

A lot of things are said, in campaigns. When all is said and done, usually a lot more was said than is done.

 

[riner69er]

I appreciate the responses thus far, but I was wondering, did RP ever outline or talk about how he planned to do all of these things?

 

[acptulsa]

I appreciate the responses thus far, but I was wondering, did RP ever outline or talk about how he planned to do all of these things?

Not that I know of. Generally when he had a camera pointed at him he tried to educate, and when it was for our benefit he was trying to encourage us not to get too upset or disillusioned. But you can get an idea by looking at some of the bills he has introduced how it could be done.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I appreciate the responses thus far, but I was wondering, did RP ever outline or talk about how he planned to do all of these things?

This MAY answer your question. I hope so.

"Of course I'm cheering on Ron Paul because he is exposing the nature of the whole system. He is not running for president. He is running against the presidency as it is currently understood. Ultimately, however, I do not believe that politics offers a way out. What we need is a new consciousness concerning the idea of human liberty." -- Lew Rockwell

Without Lew, I kinda doubt that Ron would have even run.<IMHO>

 

[MRoCkEd]

I'm guessing he would do what Dannno said.
As commander in chief, he does have the authority to retreat forces.
He mentioned that he would pardon all non-violent drug offenders and I'm sure he'd do the same for those who do not file income tax.

 

[riner69er]

Those are all bills though, and need Congressional approval, at the very least. I can see that working for things like auditing the Fed, but for abolishing the IRS? I cant see it.

And if RP just vetoed every bill/budget proposal that had funding for the IRS or for military bases, the government would grind to a halt. How would that be a good thing? Neither side would budge and things would spin out of control. I think in that situation the person who would have to go would be the President via impeachment. I don't think it would work.

 

[MRoCkEd]

And if RP just vetoed every bill that had funding for the IRS or for military bases, the government would grind to a halt. How would that be a good thing?

How wouldn't that be a good thing?

 

[riner69er]

I knew that was coming....lol

I dont think any of us are advocating an anarchist government. We want a constitutional government and a government ground to a halt is not a Constitutional government. Maybe it would be better than the current system, but I don't think this idea is what RP advocates.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Those are all bills though, and need Congressional approval, at the very least. I can see that working for things like auditing the Fed, but for abolishing the IRS? I cant see it.

And if RP just vetoed every bill/budget proposal that had funding for the IRS or for military bases, the government would grind to a halt. How would that be a good thing? Neither side would budge and things would spin out of control. I think in that situation the person who would have to go would be the President via impeachment. I don't think it would work.

The government "shutdown" in the 90's for a few days. Not too many folks complained, so the petty squabble got patched up REAL quick.

 

[MRoCkEd]

I knew that was coming....lol

I dont think any of us are advocating an anarchist government. We want a constitutional government and a government ground to a halt is not a Constitutional government. Maybe it would be better than the current system, but I don't think this idea is what RP advocates.

Well, there should be funding for a military, but hundreds of billions less than the budget is today. The federal government should also provide courts and police. All of this can be funded with light tariffs and user fees.
That's it.

 

[riner69er]

I agree with that, but how do we get out of our current system by using ONLY the authority of the President?

 

[acptulsa]

I agree with that, but how do we get out of our current system by using ONLY the authority of the President?

Um, the Constitution limits his authority for a reason. We need Congress, too.

 

[nate895]

When a President wins office, he has something called "political capital," and that means he can push through many points of his agenda without much Congressional resistance because he has the support of the American people to pass the key points of his platform. Also, if someone as revolutionary different as Ron Paul won the Presidency, you can bet that many Senators and Representatives won on his platform, meaning there would be many new members of Congress that there would be very few incumbents left in besides those who live in diehard neocon or socialist districts.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I agree with that, but how do we get out of our current system by using ONLY the authority of the President?

A declaration of martial law COULD be used to do the trick.<IMHO> However, that doesn't sound like a Ron style tactic to me.

 

[Spook]

I think Ron knows very well there is little he can do by himself if he won. The whole idea was to stir the pot and be an educator and expose the misdeeds of government. It's not one man in a position of power that can change the country, the counrtry itself has to have a change in philosophy. Educate the people and they will apply the remedy. That is all that needs to be done...

 

[Stary Hickory]

Ron Paul could refuse to sign budgets and advise all states to take over functions previously done by the Federal Government. People would then see that the Federal government is impoverishing them.

 

[anaconda]

He didn't need to veto budgets to stop the military bases or occupations. As commander in chief he could simply order all of the troops home. The bases would simply be left to be taken over by Iraqis. Or Japanese or Koreans or Germans, as the case may be.