How 'bout a Tax Revolt ?

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OK, I'm mad as hell over this trillion dollar taxpayer bailout of private companies bad bets on wacky Credit Default Swaps. I've started thinking about how a Nationwide Tax Revolt/Rebellion might practically work, as well as the govt's likely response.

Only thing I could find online is Ms. Sheehan's Tax Revolt in which she proposes:
"*If employed, change your withholding to M-9, (married with 9 dependents) so no taxes are withheld from your paycheck and do not file next April 15th.

*If possible, limit your income to so you do not have to file.

*Or this is the best scenario: file your taxes and deduct 2300.00 for each member of your family and request a refund from Uncle Sam. (and still change your withholding).

*Withhold a partial amount of your taxes to make a statement."

I would add:
* persuade your company's bookkeeper/payroll person to... make a little error such that no employees fed taxes are withheld or paid.

Now suppose lots of taxpayers went along with us, enough that the Treasury faced a shortfall. What's their likely response? Just print more dollars dramatically devaluing our own dollars (hyperinflation) ? They couldn't jail all of us.
 
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not that I disagree in theory, but can you cite the part of the USC you're referencing?
 
OK, I'm mad as hell over this trillion dollar taxpayer bailout of private companies bad bets on wacky Credit Default Swaps. I've started thinking about how a Nationwide Tax Revolt/Rebellion might practically work, as well as the govt's likely response.

Only thing I could find online is Ms. Sheehan's Tax Revolt in which she proposes:
"*If employed, change your withholding to M-9, (married with 9 dependents) so no taxes are withheld from your paycheck and do not file next April 15th.

*If possible, limit your income to so you do not have to file.

*Or this is the best scenario: file your taxes and deduct 2300.00 for each member of your family and request a refund from Uncle Sam. (and still change your withholding).

*Withhold a partial amount of your taxes to make a statement."


Withholding to "M-9"?

Do you mean change your W-4 exemptions to 9?

That will not reduce your withholdings to zero for most people, at least not for me. I have no dependents and have a much larger number than that. (it is not necessarily based on dependents anyway).

I would add:
* persuade your company's bookkeeper/payroll person to... make a little error such that no employees fed taxes are withheld or paid.

Now suppose lots of taxpayers went along with us, enough that the Treasury faced a shortfall. What's their likely response? Just print more dollars dramatically devaluing our own dollars (hyperinflation) ? They couldn't jail all of us.

WTF? I don't even think I know what that means.

"make a little error"?
 
I would add:
* persuade your company's bookkeeper/payroll person to... make a little error such that no employees fed taxes are withheld or paid.

As the individual responsible for doing payroll and taxes for my business, I do not recommend this approach. In fact, you'd be a jerk for even trying it. It's a great way to end up costing your business even more in fines and interest on back taxes, and possibly get shut down entirely. It's unfair to put the employment of your fellow employees and the investment of shareholders at risk for a personal vendetta against the government.

I don't like paying taxes, either. Hell, it almost bankrupted my business last year. It would be irresponsible of me to involve my coworkers and the business owners in any action I decide to pursue against the IRS.

You're better off telling your employer not to withhold anything or to renegotiate your employment to 1099 status, e.g. as a contractor. As a 1099, you're supposed to make quarterly payments on FICA and income withholding, but you can always opt not to do this as your protest. The other benefit of the 1099 route is that your employer should be willing to give you a raise to cover the employer side of FICA. You'll probably also be subject to the employer side of unemployment at the state and federal level, as well as worker's comp, so your employer should cover those, too. Do your homework before bringing up the issue so you know what you'd actually be required to pay.

Keep in mind that if the government audits you, which they probably will, you're going to get stuck with paying all your back taxes, plus interest, plus fines. If you choose to fight it in court, you'll probably end up spending more on legal fees than you would have owed in taxes.

For a tax revolt to work, you really need a critical mass of people to participate. There aren't enough on these forums to make a dent in federal revenues. I think we need a more gradual approach with a more widespread appeal, but I really don't have any good ideas at the moment.
 
A W-4 is voluntary.

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26 C.F.R. § 31.3402(p)-1 Voluntary withholding agreements.
Title 26 - Internal Revenue

Title 26: Internal Revenue
PART 31—EMPLOYMENT TAXES AND COLLECTION OF INCOME TAX AT SOURCE
Subpart E—Collection of Income Tax at Source
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§ 31.3402(p)-1 Voluntary withholding agreements.
(a) In general. An employee and his employer may enter into an agreement under section 3402(b) to provide for the withholding of income tax upon payments of amounts described in paragraph (b)(1) of §31.3401(a)–3, made after December 31, 1970. An agreement may be entered into under this section only with respect to amounts which are includible in the gross income of the employee under section 61, and must be applicable to all such amounts paid by the employer to the employee. The amount to be withheld pursuant to an agreement under section 3402(p) shall be determined under the rules contained in section 3402 and the regulations thereunder. See §31.3405(c)–1, Q&A–3 concerning agreements to have more than 20-percent Federal income tax withheld from eligible rollover distributions within the meaning of section 402.
(b) Form and duration of agreement. (1)(i) Except as provided in subdivision (ii) of this subparagraph, an employee who desires to enter into an agreement under section 3402(p) shall furnish his employer with Form W–4 (withholding exemption certificate) executed in accordance with the provisions of section 3402(f) and the regulations thereunder. The furnishing of such Form W–4 shall constitute a request for withholding.
(ii) In the case of an employee who desires to enter into an agreement under section 3402(p) with his employer, if the employee performs services (in addition to those to be the subject of the agreement) the remuneration for which is subject to mandatory income tax withholding by such employer, or if the employee wishes to specify that the agreement terminate on a specific date, the employee shall furnish the employer with a request for withholding which shall be signed by the employee, and shall contain—
(a) The name, address, and social security number of the employee making the request,
(b) The name and address of the employer,
(c) A statement that the employee desires withholding of Federal income tax, and applicable, of qualified State individual income tax (see paragraph (d)(3)(i) of §301.6361–1 of this chapter (Regulations on Procedures and Administration)), and
(d) If the employee desires that the agreement terminate on a specific date, the date of termination of the agreement.
If accepted by the employer as provided in subdivision (iii) of this subparagraph, the request shall be attached to, and constitute part of, the employee's Form W–4. An employee who furnishes his employer a request for withholding under this subdivision shall also furnish such employer with Form W–4 if such employee does not already have a Form W–4 in effect with such employer.
(iii) No request for withholding under section 3402(p) shall be effective as an agreement between an employer and an employee until the employer accepts the request by commencing to withhold from the amounts with respect to which the request was made.
(2) An agreement under section 3402 (p) shall be effective for such period as the employer and employee mutually agree upon. However, either the employer or the employee may terminate the agreement prior to the end of such period by furnishing a signed written notice to the other. Unless the employer and employee agree to an earlier termination date, the notice shall be effective with respect to the first payment of an amount in respect of which the agreement is in effect which is made on or after the first “status determination date” (January 1, May 1, July 1, and October 1 of each year) that occurs at least 30 days after the date on which the notice is furnished. If the employee executes a new Form W–4, the request upon which an agreement under section 3402 (p) is based shall be attached to, and constitute a part of, such new Form W–4.
(86 Stat. 944, 26 U.S.C. 6364; 68A Stat. 917, 26 U.S.C. 7805)
[T.D. 7096, 36 FR 5216, Mar. 18, 1971, as amended by T.D. 7577, 43 FR 59359, Dec. 20, 1978; T.D. 8619, 60 FR 49215, Sept. 22, 1995]
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IM ALL FOR A TAX REVOLT!

but im also a broke college student who is anti-banking to start with. so even if i did have money and didnt pay taxes the IRS would have one hell of a time getting to it without a bank account number. But for most middle class tax payers this isnt the case. if audited, wouldnt these ppl be subject to, basically, a financial ass raping from the IRS. it has the power to go into ppls accounts and TAKE the damn money or part of ppl paychecks if it wants! so why would your average, middle class tax payer even dare to try to practice civil disobedience?? first they would have to empty and close their accounts which means no more convenient debit cards! and god knows americans cant seem to live if the living isnt convenient. im not saying its impossible, im just saying mainstream america isnt gonna go with it.
 
I started my tax revolt last June. All one has to do is learn the truth about the law and then apply it.

http://www.losthorizons.com/

I received a refund for all credits sent in for the first quarter of this year, plus interest!
 
I started my tax revolt last June. All one has to do is learn the truth about the law and then apply it.

http://www.losthorizons.com/

I received a refund for all credits sent in for the first quarter of this year, plus interest!

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner.

Been posting this for as long as I've been on this forum. (see sig)
 
Danke - I learned about Cracking the Code and Pete on this forum in January.

I don't remember the post, might have been you. If so I missed a grand opportunity to buy you a beer while attending the Rally for the Republic.

Turns out, the truth does set you free! :)
 
Danke - I learned about Cracking the Code and Pete on this forum in January.

I don't remember the post, might have been you. If so I missed a grand opportunity to buy you a beer while attending the Rally for the Republic.

Turns out, the truth does set you free! :)

January, hmm, I wasn't very active here then.

Did you attend my picnic on Sept. 1st? Peter Hendrickson was one of the speakers I arraigned.

I was so busy that week+, I missed getting to know (and meet) many folks.
 
I was asked to represent my AR district at the convention on the 1st which lasted until 5:00pm.

Missing the picnic was the only regret I had for an otherwise great trip. I very much wanted to meet Pete and the rest of you guys.

A friend of mine did make it, said it was great time. Thanks for putting that together!
 
I started my tax revolt last June. All one has to do is learn the truth about the law and then apply it.

http://www.losthorizons.com/

I received a refund for all credits sent in for the first quarter of this year, plus interest!


HEYO! that site is awesome. im gettin my money back, asap! cant wait to read the whole book. the author is my new hero...second to ron paul of course!;)
 
This info needs to get out

Thanks for the insightful replies. My thinking with getting to the payroll guy was.. easier way to reach that critical mass as the average bookkeeper probably withholds 10 employees taxes. But yes, I can see how problematic it'd be. I was thinking tax protest - withholding $ assumed legally due - not the legal aspect of the tax itself. But WHOA - that losthorizons site IS AWESOME! If I understand it correctly (that is some hard-core reading lemme tell ya) I only owe fed income tax on the gain of my activity involving the federal govt. Which for most people does not rise above the statutory limit of $600? We gotta tell everyone about this!
We can legally REFUSE THE BAILOUT TAX!
 
If you decide not to pay your taxes, I wouldn't admit to it on the internet.
Though there is this great movement with white arm bands that bring notice to this idea.
 
You are missing the point. People are paying their taxes. Just not taxes they don't owe, that most assume they do owe from ignorance of the law.



LOL

I know what you are saying... I must add, that paying any taxes right now is just enabling the drug addicts in DC.
 
I've wanted to be part of a tax revolt ever since I discovered the truth about income tax, and taxation in general. The thing is, I'd much rather avoid these petty car-salesman-esque, clandestine schemes. It needs to be out in the open, and branded on my chest.

If we want to bring about change, we'll need to again brave bullets, teargas, and handcuffs.
 
you may be suprised to know that according to the 1982 Ronald Reagan Grace Commision Report, that not one penny of your individual incomce tax return goes to pay for gov. services. 100% solely goes to the national debt..... in other words, the 700 billion bailout was nothing, when these banksters have been given multi trillions over the course of a few decades..... so the fraud of the "national debt" is nothing but our government making payments to private banking families who are the stock holdrs of the privately owned federal reserve. So the IRS is a complete fraud becasue they collect money for the private federal reserve bank. The Constitution does not authorize collection from people's right to labor. In fact, it says the opposite in articel 1 sections 2 and 9, where no direct taxes can be levied unless apportioned by the census, so they cannot directly tax anyone who is not under theri jurisdiction and if you're a citizen of any of the States, you cannot be lawfully taxed in the first place, according to the constitution. The mere exercise of a right, the right to labor cannot be taxed. They can only tax privileges, but rights, cannot be taxed.....it's basic fundamental american law.....rights cannot profiteered by anyoone or any entity, including the government....to suggest otherwise is to say that you do not own yourself and your labor belongs to the government...you are a slave........ but salvery and involuntary servitude is forbidden in the 13th amendment.....not that we needed it becasue we were already born free men...... you can google alot of terms and come to this info
"tax honesty", tax hoax, irs unlawful, right to labor, sovereign citizen, state citizenship, grace commission, national debt fraud, federal reserve lies........

google any kind of saying like that and just a slight digging and you'll find a ton of stuff that defends this position.
 
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