How badly does this hurt Rand?

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Since the situation is what it is, it seems it would have been much better for Rand to have not endorsed Romney at all. He lost a lot of support from Ron's team and his decision simply looks like a very bad call, more now than ever. Whatever hopes he had of gaining greater mainstream support or gaining a cabinet position are moot.

I wonder if this will hurt hurt him in the end or if future supporters will be forgiving.
 
This is great for Rand... He tried to help Romney and he did the good soldier work.. and oh well.. Obama won...

He can go into 2016 being quite the team player..
 
Personally, I think this helps guys like Rand. I'm sure the angry ones will eventually forgive as well, especially when presented with the other options.
 
This thread is moot, Obama win = Rand 2016.

He'll also go into the primaries with little to no ammo for the establishment to use against him.
 
Since the situation is what it is, it seems it would have been much better for Rand to have not endorsed Romney at all. He lost a lot of support from Ron's team and his decision simply looks like a very bad call, more now than ever. Whatever hopes he had of gaining greater mainstream support or gaining a cabinet position are moot.

I wonder if this will hurt hurt him in the end or if future supporters will be forgiving.

It won't hurt him, it will only build bridges with the establishment. As The Gold Standard points out:

His record will be more important than the endorsement.

If he can build his record over the next 3 years and is not ignored by the media/establishment (are these possibilities mutually exclusive?), then he'll have a good shot in the primary, I think.

But I don't want to go down the "Will I vote for Rand" rabbit hole now. Just answering your question. :)
 
Think of it this way:
"Rand, four years ago you refused to endorse or campaign Mitt Romney, who lost by a single point in Ohio, Florida, and Virginia. Why should republican voters stand with you when you obviously don't care about the Republican Party or the Obama victory that followed that election and sent the country deeper into a hole?"
 
Mitt losing makes the Rand endorsement a moot point. Anyways, he has a bit of work to do in the Senate before he can get enough people behind him. There may be 1 or 2 more candidates to take a good look at by then.
 
Since the situation is what it is, it seems it would have been much better for Rand to have not endorsed Romney at all. He lost a lot of support from Ron's team and his decision simply looks like a very bad call, more now than ever. Whatever hopes he had of gaining greater mainstream support or gaining a cabinet position are moot.

I wonder if this will hurt hurt him in the end or if future supporters will be forgiving.

I'm not sure how Romney loosing changes the relationship between us and Rand. Rand's endorsement was never about getting into the Romney administration, it was, and always has been about setting himself to the Republicans primary voters as "not Ron Paul" in 2016.
 
I was initially upset with Rand after the endorsement but I'm over that now. IF Rand runs in 2016, Ron Paul will be campaigning FOR him and wherever Dr. Paul goes, I will follow!
 
Think of it this way:
"Rand, four years ago you refused to endorse or campaign Mitt Romney, who lost by a single point in Ohio, Florida, and Virginia. Why should republican voters stand with you when you obviously don't care about the Republican Party or the Obama victory that followed that election and sent the country deeper into a hole?"

What's also good is that Rand made clear his disagreement with Mitt's foreign policy. This will give him the cred he needs as the anti war candidate because I have no doubt we will and still will be be engaged in many more military wars by 2016.
 
I don't think this hurts Rand at all. It makes him immediately a top candidate for the GOP in 2012, against lightweights like Rubio, Wrong Paul, and the Jersey Whale.
 
Why do you think we said the endorsement was meaningless in the first place? All he was doing was live to fight another day.

Until his record shows otherwise or he takes lobbyist money, then he'll be fine with us by 2016. He had to make sure he didn't give ammo to alienate himself by those who can make his life a living hell, however.
 
I was one of the angry ones But I realize that Rand is our best hope for liberty who already gained traction in the GOP base. He still leads the fight in the House to preserve our Liberties.

I won't be surprised though that on 2016, the GOP already got their nominee picked out and Rand will then become an outsider once again.
 
This helps Rand. He will be seen as a team player and Fox News already mentioned that some within the party are saying Romney wasn't conservative enough.
 
Rand's not playing checkers guys. He's playing chess, and he's a lot more clever than many here give him credit for. He's been banking on Romney losing the whole time, and I've been saying all along that it was the WHOLE POINT. Rand endorsed and campaigned for Romney to get the support of ordinary, Fox News watching Republicans, knowing full well that the vast majority of us wouldn't vote for Romney under any possible circumstances. (We just wouldn't, and he knew that...and we really should have been smart enough to realize he knew that, but we're very mistrustful when it comes to politicians, and for good reason. I think he underestimated our "issues" there.) Since Romney lost, coming across as a "team player" to the Republican base sets him up nicely for 2016. If Romney had won, this would have totally blown up in Rand's face, because then he would have had to wait until 2020 to run, and he'd be tainted with the not-so-distant memory of Romney's completely abysmal 2013-2016 term...and his endorsement of Romney "way back in 2012" would hardly earn him points with even the Republican base that long from now.

If Romney had won, Rand's whole gambit would have been worthless. In the current situation, he has secured the trust of the Fox faithful who feel he's on their side (and he is, "from a certain point of view," just not in the ways they think), and he has four more years of a stellar voting record to prove to the liberty movement that he's still one of us. The whole thing came at a high cost though: The trust of the libertarian base and others who have come to associate Ron's conduct with principle, and anything else with a lack thereof. Despite defending his motives, I strongly disagreed with Rand's endorsement at the time he made it. It's not something I would have done, and it's not something Ron would have done, and a lot of people here saw him (still see him) as some kind of backstabbing traitor for it. I think (or at least thought) that he miscalculated, in the sense that he grossly underestimated our trust issues and how fragile they are after Ron Paul has been such a breath of fresh air. At the same time, over the next four years, Rand will not be doing any campaigning for establishment Republican Presidential candidates. Instead, he will spend the next four years voting just as he has been in the Senate (almost exactly like his father), and it is through his record, not his words, that he will earn the trust of those who are suspicious of him. After all, I'm sure he realizes we're a bit savvier than the Fox crowd, and we tend to pay a bit more attention to actual voting records than they do. ;)

Now that the election is over and my thinking is starting to clear a bit, I'm starting to wonder whether Rand truly misjudged our sore spots, or if he simply knew he'd have time to make up for it and prove himself later. Either way, I'm pretty confident he plans to make up for it, and I hope he succeeds, because he has the capability to unite the liberty movement and the Republican base under a candidate who can actually end the empire starting in 2016...that is, if Ron doesn't surprise us of course.

All that said, even Rand's role is a short-term one. We need the Presidency to end the wars, but no President has the power to make everything better in the long run. If we want to make lasting change, we have a lot of important work to do to take over the state parties and RNC, so we can take Congress and institute fair primary rules (and eventually, election laws) to give future Presidential candidates (not limited to Rand) of ours a fighting chance.
 
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