How are AR 15 Prices these days?

[Rael]

A year or so ago I remember prices got really high. Have they come back down? Wheres a good place to buy?

 

[Toureg89]

intrawebz. i would look at colt, bmc, and lmt. get a trust, and you can add a spiffy m203 to that rifle

 

[osan]

A year or so ago I remember prices got really high. Have they come back down? Wheres a good place to buy?

Too expensive, IMO.

Build your own. Aero Precision uppers and lowers are perfect - absolutely dead nuts on and something like $69. COmpare that with $400+ for Black Rain Ordnance equivalents. My friends at rockcreekbarrels.com make some of the finest rifle barrels in the world. Some of their barrels shoot 1/12 MOA at 600 yards. Most people will never hope to approach half that accuracy in a lifetime of trying.

And so on and so forth.

 

[brushfire]

you missed the liquidation. CDNN investments had SW MP15's for 599 a little while back.

You may be able to find a good price on a used firearm, or components from the equipment exchange on arfcom

 

[Toureg89]

you missed the liquidation. CDNN investments had SW MP15's for 599 a little while back.

You may be able to find a good price on a used firearm, or components from the equipment exchange on arfcom

from my understanding, those are far from quality rifles, they are supposed to be missing some basics.

 

[MJU1983]

They've gotten cheaper... A good site to check out is www.rguns.net

 

[Pericles]

If you want to buy complete, suggest BCM - depending on your setup somewhere around $1100, but it is top quality - even better than Colt.

Of course, I build them from parts - top notch quality can be built for $750

Passing grade is hit the center dot on the zero target or 3 consecutive head shots in my view.

 

[youngbuck]

get a trust, and you can add a spiffy m203 to that rifle

Do you have a link that outlines this in regards to firearms ownership? I wouldn't mind getting a SBR or a can someday.

 

[osan]

Do you have a link that outlines this in regards to firearms ownership? I wouldn't mind getting a SBR or a can someday.

A corporation will achieve the same result.

 

[Pericles]

If you need to go really cheap, $475 and some shipping will produce this:

From here:

http://e-sarcoinc.com/search.aspx?find=AR340

Add lower and some assembly required - A2 rear sights are a pain, but it can be done.

 

[PPHILPOT]

colt ar's suck. If the army uses it, it sucks.

 

[Pericles]

colt ar's suck. If the army uses it, it sucks.

OTOH, there are parts of weapons still in the Army inventory and in use from the early days of the Vietnam War, have been handled and abused by GIs for over 40 years, traveled to 4 or more wars, and still manage to work when properly maintained.

I have more confidence in models that have been used in wars, than in the latest tricked out toy put together by some "operator" who gets to sleep in his own bed every night.

 

[brushfire]

from my understanding, those are far from quality rifles, they are supposed to be missing some basics.

How so, if you dont mind me asking?
I've shot one and it, as far as I can tell, is no different than any other base AR.
Sure, its not as nice as some of my rifles, but then again I did not spend anything short of $900 on those.

 

[AuH20]

colt ar's suck. If the army uses it, it sucks.

From my understanding the Colt platform ironed the kinks out the last two decades or so.

 

[MJU1983]

A few of my favorite "AR style" rifles:

SIG556 SWAT & SIG556 SWAT Patrol Rifle's
Ruger SR-556

I'd throw the FN SCAR in there but it's a lot more expensive than the above...

 

[Toureg89]

A few of my favorite AR's:

SIG556 SWAT & SIG556 SWAT Patrol Rifle's
Ruger SR-556

I'd throw the FN SCAR in there but it's a lot more expensive than the above...

sigs are not ARs. they are not even mechanically close. they only AR feature on them is the mag well and mag compatibility. a Sig is many times more comparable to an AK than an AR.

How so, if you dont mind me asking?
I've shot one and it, as far as I can tell, is no different than any other base AR.
Sure, its not as nice as some of my rifles, but then again I did not spend anything short of $900 on those.

pulled from another forum: Read the fine print. It is a sportser model. It's missing the ejection port cover, no forward assist, the barrel is no longer chromed, etc.etc.etc.

A corporation will achieve the same result.

corps have to have yearly paperwork and taxes filled out. once a trust is completed, you can leave it forever

Do you have a link that outlines this in regards to firearms ownership? I wouldn't mind getting a SBR or a can someday.

its basic NFA law broseph. the only thing that is extremely expensive is full autos, because their last date of manufacture was limited to 1986.

m203s, or revolver style 40mm grenade launchers (mk iv?), are classified as destructive devices (DD). as such, they just have a 200$ tax, and the creation of a corp or a trust is a way of sidestepping CLEO (county law enforcement officer) from needing to sign off on it.

the explosive ammo is also considered a DD, and also requires a 200$ tax per round, but they make similar, less powerful practice ammo that is NOT considered DD, and you can buy em for 15$ a piece.

m203: 2,000$+200$ tax

http://www.lewismachine.net/legal.php?sessionea390be6cc8424c53816a8c550f602e7#nfa

NFA is an abbreviation for National Firearms Act.

Since 1934, the Federal Government has regulated the ownership of machine guns and several other types of weapons (including grenade launchers).

The National Firearms Act of 1934 provides for the registration, and the taxing of the transfer, of a class of weapons described as NFA Title 2 weapons (sometimes referred to as "Class 3 weapons"). These include machine guns, short barreled rifles (i.e. rifles with barrels less than 16" or less than 26" in length overall), short barreled shotguns, silencers (also known as suppressors) and regulation of destructive devices such as grenade launchers.

Call us at 1-309-732-9527 if you require additional information, assistance, or if your paperwork is already on file with us.

Excise Tax
Orders containing one or more "complete upper receiver half" and "complete lower receiver half" pairs will be assessed an 11% federal excise tax on the price of each complete upper/lower pair (excluding any accessories).

Call us at 1-309-732-9527 if you require additional information or assistance.

http://www.lewismachine.net/product.php?p=8&cid=10&session=ea390be6cc8424c53816a8c550f602e7

practice ammo
15$/rnd
http://www.autoweapons.com/products/destructivedevices.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M203_grenade_launcher#Civilian_ownership_in_the_United_States

In the United States, M203 grenade launcher attachments fitted with the standard rifled 40mm barrel are classified as "Destructive Devices" under the National Firearms Act part 26 U.S.C. 5845, 27 CFR 479.11,[23] because they are a "non-sporting" firearm with a bore greater than one-half inch in diameter. M203s are relatively common on the civilian NFA market. New M203s sell for approximately $1,750 to $2,000 plus a $200 transfer tax, and new manufacture 40mm training ammunition is available for $8 to $10 per cartridge, as of March 2008. High explosive 40mm grenades are available for $400 to $500 per cartridge, however, they are exceedingly rare on the civilian market, as each grenade constitutes a Destructive Device on its own, and must be registered with the Federal government, requiring payment of a $200 tax and compliance with storage regulations for high explosives. There are also sub-caliber adapters available for the 40mm M203 (and M79) grenade launchers, that will allow the use of standard 12 gauge shotgun shells[24] and .22 Rimfire ammo

 

[youngbuck]

its basic NFA law broseph. the only thing that is extremely expensive is full autos, because their last date of manufacture was limited to 1986.

I know it's NFA law, but is what I was really asking for was info on creating a trust, then how you go about buying a firearm under the name of the trust.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

colt ar's suck. If the army uses it, it sucks.

I'll remember that the next time my Colt Sporter HBAR Match is still going strong after 800 rounds and both of the AR's to either side of me have been through the armorer's. twice.

That said, my next investment will be an LMT308 MWS with a 20" barrel. that's a 0.5 MOA shooter right out of the box.

 

[Pericles]

I'll remember that the next time my Colt Sporter HBAR Match is still going strong after 800 rounds and both of the AR's to either side of me have been through the armorer's. twice.

That said, my next investment will be an LMT308 MWS with a 20" barrel. that's a 0.5 MOA shooter right out of the box.

As a test, I've put over 1000 rounds through one of my ARs without cleaning. On underpowered .223 spec ammunition, some failures to feed at about 1200 rounds - 5.56 spec still OK at that point. I figure if I ever have to do that for real, I'm having a really bad day.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

As a test, I've put over 1000 rounds through one of my ARs without cleaning. On underpowered .223 spec ammunition, some failures to feed at about 1200 rounds - 5.56 spec still OK at that point. I figure if I ever have to do that for real, I'm having a really bad day.

Aye. On mine after about 700 rounds, the trigger pull really stiffens up though, which is why I'm looking at a gas piston retrofit. If it ever comes down to do or die, there may not be an opportunity to clean it inside of 1000 rounds, and a really stiff trigger pull blows accuracy all to hell. It still functions fine, it's just that the trigger pull trebles from 700 to 900 rounds from carbon buildup on the seer guide spring. So I want to eliminate the carbon.

I plan on putting a piston on the LMT also. The one thing I really don't like on the AR platform is the gas impingement. The gas piston perfects the platform IMHO