How About a REAL Liberty Perspective

[P3ter_Griffin]

I think the issue goes deeper than Trump. We have been having a philosophical debate over national borders vs individual property rights, and protectionism vs free trade, for the past four years here. The pro-national border and protectionism folks were defeated handily... even though they'd never admit it... and now when a candidate holds these positions they tout them as a good, liberty position. What a good candidate looks like between these two sides is different. And one trumpster even admitted (I think today) that the only reason Ron had support from his kind was that Ron was angry at the system. So, then who most likely holds the positions closer to Ron?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

lolol. No and it was proven you were full of it in the thread Bryan started.

...the link to which you refuse to provide.



Hey, I know of a thread that proves that Trump is actually Karl Rove in a rubber suit.

No, sorry, I can't tell you where it is...

What some of you love to do is to take something out of context and run with it. It shows a complete lack of ethics and integrity on your part.

What you do is accuse people of taking things out of context without ever explaining how that's the case.

...very much like Trump, actually.

 

[Danke]

LOL! Still laughing!

Look All,

I have very little problem with any member on the forum- there are a couple who do follow me around w/neg comments but overall, l get along with most everyone and think you're all awesome.

I know when [MENTION=35824]Jamesiv1[/MENTION] is joking , [MENTION=33245]TheTexan[/MENTION] cracks me up- I appreciate [MENTION=17293]Zippyjuan[/MENTION]'s different POV, because, as I said, we should be looking at all sides. Do I agree with everyone 100% of the time. No. And I don't expect anyone to agree with me 100% of the time, either.

I got called names several months ago and before I knew it I was continually called a leftist SJW Hillary-lover. I've even been accused of being a Muslim because I don't agree with the gov slamming the 1st Amendment.

I do NOT support Hitlery- but neither do I support Trump. It was his foreign policy speech that was the clincher for me. BUT- if YOU do that's OK. What's NOT OK are the insults.

From my POV, the anti-Trumpers get it continually, w/o any let up- but maybe I see it that way because I am anti.

SO- my point is:

If we are really all Liberty Lovers, let's start by having real dialog and being fair and kind to each other- even if we can't agree.

Sounds like you need an HB hug.

 

[Smitty]

.And one trumpster even admitted (I think today) that the only reason Ron had support from his kind was that Ron was angry at the system. So, then who most likely holds the positions closer to Ron?

That might have been me. But it wasn't an "admission". It was simply an acknowledgment of fact.

Just because Ron Paul was a libertarian doesn't mean that his base of support was. Ron's support was due to the fact that he spoke truth to power.

Austrian economics had damn little to do with it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

...the link to which you refuse to provide.



Hey, I know of a thread that proves that Trump is actually Karl Rove in a rubber suit.

No, sorry, I can't tell you where it is...



What you do is accuse people of taking things out of context without ever explaining how that's the case.

...very much like Trump, actually.

No, you see, I have 0 respect for you and that is being kind. So, no way am I spending any of my precious time searching for a thread that you want to see. I've told you how to find it. If you want to see it, go to it.

 

[Smitty]

In fact,..Ron Paul's base of support was Nationalists.

The same Nationalists who are supporting Trump today.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This is (was?) a libertarian forum.

No, it most certainly is not and never was.

So, why in the hell are Trump promoters allowed to be here at all?

Because we were Ron Paul supporters who have decided to vote for Trump, after Rand dropped out. And no one is promoting him. What we are doing is correcting the lies that you and a few others love to post and we are allowed to do that.

...it was actually decided months ago that they weren't, but there has been ~0 enforcement of that policy.

Trump promotion isn't allowed. Correcting your lies, however is.

Would Romney supporters have been allowed to run amok here last cycle?

Or McCain supporters the cycle before that?

Absurd

We were RP supporters who have chosen to vote for Trump, after Rand dropped out. There is currently no liberty candidate in the race.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

In fact,..Ron Paul's base of support was Nationalists.

The same Nationalists who are supporting Trump today.

That's true.

It's now clear that a sizeable fraction of Ron's support came from idiot nationalists who had no comprehension of his ideas.

 

[Zippyjuan]

 

[Ender]

Sounds like you need an HB hug.

HB is cool.

 

[Smitty]

That's true.

It's now clear that a sizeable fraction of Ron's support came from idiot nationalists who had no comprehension of his ideas.

Eat a matzo ball and calm down.

 

[Occam's Banana]

LOL! Still laughing!

Look All,

I have very little problem with any member on the forum- there are a couple who do follow me around w/neg comments but overall, l get along with most everyone and think you're all awesome.

I know when @Jamesiv1 is joking , @TheTexan cracks me up- I appreciate @Zippyjuan's different POV, because, as I said, we should be looking at all sides. Do I agree with everyone 100% of the time. No. And I don't expect anyone to agree with me 100% of the time, either.

I got called names several months ago and before I knew it I was continually called a leftist SJW Hillary-lover. I've even been accused of being a Muslim because I don't agree with the gov slamming the 1st Amendment.

I do NOT support Hitlery- but neither do I support Trump. It was his foreign policy speech that was the clincher for me. BUT- if YOU do that's OK. What's NOT OK are the insults.

From my POV, the anti-Trumpers get it continually, w/o any let up- but maybe I see it that way because I am anti.

SO- my point is:

If we are really all Liberty Lovers, let's start by having real dialog and being fair and kind to each other- even if we can't agree.

Why do you hate America?

 

[Natural Citizen]

There is currently no liberty candidate in the race.

Factual tidbit of the day here, kiddies.

 

[Ender]

Factual tidbit of the day here, kiddies.

Tis sad tis true; tis true, tis sad.

 

[Krugminator2]

In fact,..Ron Paul's base of support was Nationalists.

The same Nationalists who are supporting Trump today.

That unfortunately is true. Libertarians only made up a small portion of Ron Paul's base. Rand Paul's Iowa campaign manager said the most surprising thing they consistently found in polls was that only about 30% of the people who voted for Ron Paul were libertarian or libertarian leaning.

Not sure the point. Most Ron Paul voters were enemies of freedom.

 

[euphemia]

Rand Paul's Iowa campaign manager said the most surprising thing they consistently found in polls was that only about 30% of the people who voted for Ron Paul were libertarian or libertarian leaning.

And that might just be all of the Libertarians there are. I've never met a real live one.

Not much liberty in denying someone their own point of view.

 

[Smitty]

Nationalism is a lot closer to freedom than Globalism. And what's left of the Liberty Movement poses no threat to Globalism.

 

[Danke]

Factual tidbit of the day here, kiddies.

Don't know anything about him but what about Darrell Castle?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Don't know anything about him but what about Darrell Castle?

He's likely the most principled. Most here would agree with that. I find it difficult to accept that you don't know anything about him, though, Danke. Respectfully.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Factual tidbit of the day here, kiddies.

There is not an agreement on what a liberty candidate even is.