House launches Trump impeachment inquiry , Only 4th time in history

If lying is a good reason for impeachment, all US presidents should have been impeached...

Last November, when the impeachment charade was still making headlines, President Donald explicitly denied sending his attorney Rudy Giuliani to "do anything" in Ukraine. Trump said, "No, I didn't direct him".

Now that President Donald has been acquitted of the impeachment, on Thursday Trump openly admitted that he sent Giuliani to the Ukraine to find damaging information on his opponents, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera.
Donald explained:
So when you tell me, why did I use Rudy, and one of the things about Rudy, number one, he was the best prosecutor, you know, one of the best prosecutors, and the best mayor.
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Donald has fired several US officials who testified against him in the impeachment charade, and he demanded that the Department of Justice won’t ask for 9 years in prison for his long-time adviser Roger Stone for lying to Congress: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/13/politics/trump-rudy-giuliani-ukraine-interview/index.html
 
Firestarter said:
If lying is a good reason for impeachment, all US presidents should have been impeached...

Last November, when the impeachment charade was still making headlines, President Donald explicitly denied sending his attorney Rudy Giuliani to "do anything" in Ukraine. Trump said, "No, I didn't direct him".

Now that President Donald has been acquitted of the impeachment, on Thursday Trump openly admitted that he sent Giuliani to the Ukraine to find damaging information on his opponents, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera.
Donald explained:

Donald has fired several US officials who testified against him in the impeachment charade, and he demanded that the Department of Justice won’t ask for 9 years in prison for his long-time adviser Roger Stone for lying to Congress: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/13/politics/trump-rudy-giuliani-ukraine-interview/index.html
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I remember a quote from Flynn right after his arrest and release that was something to the effect of "Someone has to take the fall and it was me." It sounded very much like Flynn was saying that someone had to be arrested early on in Trump's term to start and maintain the illusion of Trump and associates being under attack, to maintain the bigger narrative, and he drew the short straw. Impossible to find the quote now but I made a mental note of it at the time.
 
Firestarter said:
Last November, when the impeachment charade was still making headlines, President Donald explicitly denied sending his attorney Rudy Giuliani to "do anything" in Ukraine. Trump said, "No, I didn't direct him".

Now that President Donald has been acquitted of the impeachment, on Thursday Trump openly admitted that he sent Giuliani to the Ukraine to find damaging information on his opponents, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera.
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If this is confirmed, could create credibility questions in 2020 debates.
 
devil21 said:
I remember a quote from Flynn right after his arrest and release that was something to the effect of "Someone has to take the fall and it was me."
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I always thought that Donald Trump’s campaign promise to build a border wall to protect the USA from all of those Latino Muslims was a complete charade.

Experts estimated that a border wall along 1,300 miles (2,100 km) would cost as much as $20 million per mile ($12.5 million/km), with a total cost of $45 billion, with the cost of private land acquisitions and fence maintenance making it even more expensive.
Maintenance of the wall could cost up to $750 million a year (not paid for by Mexico of course): http://archive.is/91bgj


I was surprised that President Donald actually abused his powers with the partial government shutdown for 35 days followed by declaring a “national emergency” about a year ago to get the wall funded.
Even though this violates the US Constitution for some reason this hasn’t been made into a valid reason for impeachment of president Trump: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...wall-house-panel-launches-probe-idUSKCN1Q420N


Donald’s beautiful “impenetrable” border wall has already cost the US taxpayer $11 billion.
It can be knocked over with a brisk wind, cut through with a cheap saw and climbed over with a basic ladder: https://americasvoice.org/press_rel...ugglers-and-migrants-for-months-every-summer/
(http://archive.is/IxIov)


On 14 February 2020, Donald extended his US-Mexico border “national emergency” for another year.
I was also surprised that the billions of dollars in funds are diverted from the Department of Defense to fund border wall construction: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/14/trump-450-miles-border-wall-115339


Now with the accounting practices of the Department of Defense being nothing but a sick joke it suddenly makes sense. This gives Trump and his cronies ample opportunity to launder the money and transfer it to offshore accounts: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...now-Where-6-5-Trillion-Dollars-Has-Gone/page2


This could also explain that Trump associates Jeffrey Epstein, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen and Roger Stone were locked up, as with these crooks out of the way Donald can take a bigger slice of the billions.
This could possibly also explain the huge amount of dismissed officials from Trump’s team: http://archive.is/bKeHV


enhanced_deficit said:
If this is confirmed, could create credibility questions in 2020 debates.
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I expect that @dannno will once again show that I'm completely wrong and Donald the great will Make America Great Again...
 
Democrat Senator Held Secret Meeting In Munich With Iranian Foreign Minister Zarif

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/1...in-munich-with-iranian-foreign-minister-zarif

FEBRUARY 17, 2020

Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut and other Democratic senators had a secret meeting with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif during the Munich Security Conference last week, according to a source briefed by the French delegation to the conference. Murphy’s office did not respond to repeated requests for comment by press time.

Such a meeting would mean Murphy had done the type of secret coordination with foreign leaders to potentially undermine the U.S. government that he accused Trump officials of doing as they prepared for Trump’s administration. In February 2017, Murphy demanded investigations of National Security Advisor Mike Flynn because he had a phone call with his counterpart-to-be in Russia.

“Any effort to undermine our nation’s foreign policy – even during a transition period – may be illegal and must be taken seriously,” Murphy said in 2017 after anonymous leaks of Flynn’s phone call with Russian ambassador Sergey Kisylak were published. He also strongly criticized the open letter some Republican senators sent Iranian leaders during the Obama administration’s campaign for a nuclear agreement.

However, Murphy has previously defended rogue meetings if they’re done by Democrats such as former Secretary of State John Kerry.

“Unless it was authorized by the president or secretary of state, conducting independent foreign policy sends mixed signals to our adversaries,” said Christian Whiton, former State Department senior advisor in the Trump and George W. Bush administrations. “It seems very unpalatable. If we want to talk to Iranians, they know how to reach us and they don’t need to go through an intermediary.”

A State Department official who spoke on background said that the State Department was not aware of any side meetings with Iranian officials that Murphy was engaged in.

The Munich Security Conference, an annual forum on international security policy, welcomes hundreds of world leaders each February. This year’s conference featured robust debate on the United States’ maximum pressure policy against Iran, China’s handling of the coronavirus and technology concerns, and the European alliance with the United States. Other Democrat senators at the conference included Sens. Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Chris Van Hollen of Maryland. Former Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts also attended.

Both Murphy and Zarif spoke publicly during a two-hour session on Middle East policy, with Murphy and Zarif both fiercely criticizing U.S. policy.

President Donald Trump has reoriented American policy in the Middle East away from President Barack Obama’s friendly posture toward Iran. He departed from Obama’s Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, a nuclear arrangement with the Republic of Iran that was not ratified by the United States Senate.

Trump has exerted instead a “maximum pressure” campaign against the regime, with 12 demands on Iran before a new deal is reached. Those demands include a full account of its nuclear program, ending its proliferation of ballistic missiles, releasing all U.S. citizens held on spurious charges, ending support to terrorist groups, withdrawal of forces in Syria, and cessation of its threatening behavior against its neighbors.

The “maximum pressure” campaign of sanctions has devastated the Iranian economy, which is in recession and faces rising inflation. It has made it difficult for Iran to pay foreign fighters engaged in supported terror operations. Iranians have taken to the streets in protest.

Iran recently killed an American contractor in Iraq and the United States killed Iranian general Qassim Suleimani, a top Iranian leader who was responsible for the killing and maiming of thousands of U.S. soldiers. Iran’s retaliatory strike for that killing resulted in no U.S. deaths, but the country did shoot down a Ukrainian passenger plane then lied about it for days.

At the conference, Zarif said official retaliation for the killing of Suleimani had ended, although he suggested independent attacks from others in the country might follow.

Murphy is a frequent speaker at the National Iranian American Council, a lobbying group with alleged links to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Republican Sens. Mike Braun of Indiana, Tom Cotton of Arkansas, and Ted Cruz of Texas recently asked the Department of Justice for potential violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

They wrote that the influential lobbying group “purports to improve understanding between American and Iranian people but in reality seems to spread propaganda and lobby on behalf of the Iranian government.” Evidence indicates that evidence Zarif himself was involved in founding the group.
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Firestarter said:
I always thought that Donald Trump’s campaign promise to build a border wall to protect the USA from all of those Latino Muslims was a complete charade.
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Firestarter said:
I always thought that Donald Trump’s campaign promise to build a border wall to protect the USA from all of those Latino Muslims was a complete charade.
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Crossposting again? :confused:
 
Firestarter said:
I always thought that Donald Trump’s campaign promise to build a border wall to protect the USA from all of those Latino Muslims was a complete charade.

Experts estimated that a border wall along 1,300 miles (2,100 km) would cost as much as $20 million per mile ($12.5 million/km), with a total cost of $45 billion, with the cost of private land acquisitions and fence maintenance making it even more expensive.
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You don't need a wall along the entire border, some areas have natural barriers. You need a wall in places where people are crossing. Trump has been working to replace the walls that are in the most high traffic areas that do not function properly, and has also been building new wall in areas that receive high traffic and do not have a wall. He will likely build a decent amount of wall before his second term is over.

Then there is a solution which I think Ron Paul might argue is better than a wall, and that is to convince Mexico to help secure their own border.

It's sort of like that promise Trump made that Mexico would "pay for the wall"

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/08/donald-trump-border-arrests-results-1712730
 
enhanced_deficit said:
If this is confirmed, could create credibility questions in 2020 debates.
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So the Democrooks selected for the reason to impeach their “enemy” Donald Trump that he offered help to investigate Ukrainian corruption?!?
Personally I do NOT believe that the Demorats are even more stoopid than they look, and anticipated that this would “backfire” and make Joe Biden and his son Hunter look corrupt. While it makes poor Donald even look like a "hero" as he was wrongfully accused...

The Democrats could have chosen to impeach poor Donald for continuing to arm the war of the Saudi-UAE coalition that has already caused the dead of hundreds of thousands Yemeni civilians.

Or they could have chosen the discussions between Donald and real “American” patriots Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman over firing the US ambassador to the Ukraine...

Of course the Democrats could have chosen other serious offences by the Trump administration that at the very least look corrupt, without the possibility that it “backfires” against one of their most important presidential candidates!

They could have chosen the bizarre decision to declare a national emergency to get the border wall funded with billions from the Pentagon budget...

Or they could’ve impeached Donald over discussing the steel tariffs with Canadian steel billionaire Barry Zekelman.
Zekelman has no US passport, and foreigners aren’t allowed to directly influence US policy!

Barry Zekelman has lobbied Trump for steel tariffs and his Wheatland Tube contributed $1.75 million to a pro-Trump super PAC. Atlas Tube is the Chicago-based division of Zekelman Industries supplies a huge amount of steel for the border wall in Arizona, where Trump intervened to help a bidder that was originally rejected.
On 30 April 2018, Barry Zekelman met Donald and Don Jr Trump to talk about steel tariffs in the presence of none other than Lev Parnas. After the 25% import tariff on steel, sales at Zekelman’s U.S. plants surged: http://archive.is/Pbt1J
 
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Firestarter said:
So the Democrooks selected for the reason to impeach their “enemy” Donald Trump that he offered help to investigate Ukrainian corruption?!?
Personally I do NOT believe that the Demorats are even more stoopid than they look, and anticipated that this would “backfire” and make Joe Biden and his son Hunter look corrupt. While it makes poor Donald even look like a "hero" as he was wrongfully accused...

The Democrats could have chosen to impeach poor Donald for continuing to arm the war of the Saudi-UAE coalition that has already caused the dead of hundreds of thousands Yemeni civilians.

Or they could have chosen the discussions between Donald and real “American” patriots Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman over firing the US ambassador to the Ukraine...

Of course the Democrats could have chosen other serious offences by the Trump administration that at the very least look corrupt, without the possibility that it “backfires” against one of their most important presidential candidates!

They could have chosen the bizarre decision to declare a national emergency to get the border wall funded with billions from the Pentagon budget...

Or they could’ve impeached Donald over discussing the steel tariffs with Canadian steel billionaire Barry Zekelman.
Zekelman has no US passport, and foreigners aren’t allowed to directly influence US policy!

Barry Zekelman has lobbied Trump for steel tariffs and his Wheatland Tube contributed $1.75 million to a pro-Trump super PAC. Atlas Tube is the Chicago-based division of Zekelman Industries supplies a huge amount of steel for the border wall in Arizona, where Trump intervened to help a bidder that was originally rejected.
On 30 April 2018, Barry Zekelman met Donald and Don Jr Trump to talk about steel tariffs in the presence of none other than Lev Parnas. After the 25% import tariff on steel, sales at Zekelman’s U.S. plants surged: http://archive.is/Pbt1J
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Swordsmyth said:
Just like e_d.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
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timosman said:
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You are such a pitifully predictable troll ain’t you?!?

When on 17 February, I made my last post in “my” thread on the Rwandan genocide and the plundering of the Congo, I fully expected that [MENTION=36896]timosman[/MENTION] would once again start one of his spam threads in the History subforum: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-and-the-UN&p=6922935&viewfull=1#post6922935

Waiting a whole day to make this a little less “obvious” (really cunning!)...
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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?543924-How-Obama-fixed-the-economy
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Trump impeachment witness, ex-ambassador Marie Yovanovitch signs book deal ‘worth seven figures’

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/0...ch-signs-book-deal-worth-seven-figures-889632

February 22, 2020

Some might wonder how the left inspires an ongoing queue of seditious actors to step up and create havoc in a system that ought to be solely about serving the interests of American taxpayers.

It’s really not a secret.

News of a seven-figure book deal for the rights to former diplomat Marie Yovanovitch’s memoirs is just the latest example of how it’s done. Giant corporations controlled by progressives, particularly media companies, are serving as the means for rewarding bad behavior by those who are in a position to sling arrows at those targeted by the liberal leadership … even when they miss their mark.

Yovanovitch was most recently the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, appointed by Pres. Barack Obama in 2016. In November 2019, she emerged from a relatively obscure U.S. Foreign Service career as an impeachment inquiry witness called by House Democrats to give testimony that was in effect, pointless.

Houghton Mifflin Harcourt (HMH), a Boston-based publisher, confirmed on Friday in a news release that it acquired Yovanovitch’s planned memoir. Two people familiar with the deal told the Associated Press that it will be worth “seven figures.”

At this point, it is noted that social media is NOT ablaze with the news.

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Hopefully this won't end up like well funded wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and won't go on forever:


The House impeachment inquiry loses another round — and yes, that's still going on

By Andrew C. McCarthy
05/22/20

At the urging of the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Supreme Court has granted a stay, at least temporarily blocking disclosure to the House Judiciary Committee of grand jury materials from the Mueller probe.
The committee, chaired by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), represented to the justices that these materials — transcripts of testimony and other evidence — are vital to its continuing inquiry into whether President Trump should be impeached.
Yes, that’s still going on.

As we noted back in those footloose pre-pandemic days of the Ukraine kerfuffle, the fact that the House filed impeachment articles against the president meant neither that the House impeachment push was over (it never will be over as long as Trump is in the White House) nor that the House would necessarily refrain from filing new impeachment articles — or even the same impeachment articles, there being no double jeopardy bar against successive impeachments for the same alleged offenses.
That last point is not incidental. Double jeopardy does not apply to impeachment because it is a political proceeding, not a judicial proceeding. That is, House impeachment inquiries and Senate impeachment trials are congressional matters focused solely on the removal of political power. They are not criminal court cases to determine guilt and potential imprisonment.
The distinction is significant to the House committee’s lawsuit, seeking to enforce a subpoena it issued last summer for the grand jury materials. The DOJ has countered that:

  • Grand jury materials are made secret by statute, and a court thus has no authority to order their disclosure unless there is an express exception to secrecy in the rule that governs federal grand jury matters.

  • That rule, Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, does not expressly permit disclosure to Congress in connection with an impeachment proceeding; instead, disclosure is permitted only in connection with “a judicial proceeding.”
For these propositions, the DOJ relied on a recent decision of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, McKeever v. Barr. Yet, as I noted in The Hill in December, the DOJ’s argument was rejected by Beryl Howell, the chief judge of the district court in Washington who was appointed to the bench by former President Obama after a lengthy stint as top Senate Judiciary Committee adviser to Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.).
Chief Judge Howell ruled that a congressional impeachment inquiry is actually a “judicial proceeding.” In March, a divided panel of the D.C. Circuit upheld the lower court’s ruling. With a deadline for surrendering the materials looming, the DOJ asked the Supreme Court to suspend the matter until it could seek the justices’ review of the D.C. Circuit’s decision. The DOJ acknowledged that this would entail delay. Yet it reasoned that it has a good chance to prevail on the merits; by contrast, disclosing the grand jury materials before a full Supreme Court review would moot the case (since secrecy, the linchpin of the DOJ’s position, already would have been lost).

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...quiry-loses-another-round-and-yes-thats-still
 
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