House launches Trump impeachment inquiry , Only 4th time in history

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“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”
—Theodore Dalrymple, “Our Culture, What’s Left Of It”

Much cheaper and as effective as castration.

 

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Much cheaper and as effective as castration.

More effective.

 

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Much cheaper and as effective as castration.

Read the whole thread:

https://twitter.com/edwardbchang/status/1177038322277015552

 

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Read the whole thread:

This is pretty depressing.

 

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This is pretty depressing.

You can't solve a problem until you know how big it is.

 

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That reminds of a whole different Tea Party era, unfortunately with recent fracturing of Tea Party, NRA, GOP base and MAGA statements on gun control, NAFTA, DACA, DOMA etc, things are not like they used to be few years ago.

The Tea Party Isn’t Dead. It’s More Vibrant and Essential Than Ever.

Joe Walsh becomes second Republican to challenge Trump for White House

GOA leader on Trump: 'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now'
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https://twitter.com/American_Mirror/status/1177576868733698048

 

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https://twitter.com/American_Mirror/status/1177576868733698048

Ukraine's new leader is charsimatic and like MAGA had showbiz/entertainment media background, may be that is part of the reason why many prominent political figures in US (Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others ) may have wanted to be part of history making political changes there.

Jewish Comedian Zelensky Wins Ukranian Presidential Election by Landslide

After exit poll showed the comedian won by 73 percent, incumbent Poroshenko concedes defeat in Ukrainian presidential vote
The Associated Press
and Reuters Apr 21, 2019 8:12 PM

Ukrainian comedian and presidential candidate Volodymyr Zelensky reacts after the announcement of the first exit poll results in Kiev, on April 21, 2019. AFP

• Jewish comedian is top vote-getter in first round of Ukraine’s presidential election
• Ukraine just elected its first Jewish president
• Ukraine designates national holiday to commemorate Nazi collaborator

After an exit poll from Ukraine's presidential election showed comedian Volodymyr Zelensky winning with 73 percent of the vote against incumbent Petro Poroshenko, Poroshenko on Sunday conceded he had been soundly defeated.
He said he would be leaving office next month, but that he did not plan to quit politics altogether.

 

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Ukraine's new leader is charsimatic and like MAGA had showbiz/entertainment media background, may be that is part of the reason why many prominent political figures in US (Trump, Biden, Pelosi and others ) may have wanted to be part of history making political changes there.

As always off the mark. Even Zippy wouldn't post this crap. What were BHO credentials when he was installed?

 

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What were BHO credentials when he was installed?

BHO in 2008 was media savvy and had very good camera, lights, oratory skills but he did not have showbiz/entertainment industry exposure like GOP-Sheldon Adelson wing's 2016 candidate. BHO was doing some Netflix stuff after leaving office though but from behind the scenes and still had not got any Hollywood star.

Woman Who Helped Organize Miss Universe in 2013 Announced Trump’s Presidential Run in January, 2015
Vanity Fair

Entertainment industry experience supplements his diverse talents as a casino/hotel owner, former reality TV star and by no means proves that he's just a media savvy public relationining officer for Globalist Neoconservative donors as some Far Right conspiracy theories have alleged in the past.
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Pending confirmation from pro MAGA Rudy Giuliani, Infowars, Glenn Beck etc, should be treated with some skepticism in the meantime:



2nd whistleblower adds to impeachment peril at White House

By ERIC TUCKER, RICHARD LARDNER and JILL COLVINan hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — A second whistleblower has come forward with information about President Donald Trump’s dealings with Ukraine, adding to the impeachment peril engulfing the White House and potentially providing new leads to Democrats in their unfurling investigation of Trump’s conduct.
Attorney Mark Zaid, who represents both whistleblowers, said in a text message to The Associated Press that the second person has spoken to the intelligence community’s internal watchdog and can corroborate information in the original whistleblower complaint. That document alleged that Trump pushed Ukraine’s president to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s family, prompting a White House cover-up. Crucially, the new whistleblower works in the intelligence field and has “firsthand knowledge” of key events, Zaid said.
The emergence of the second whistleblower threatened to undermine arguments from Trump and his allies to discredit the original complaint. They have called it politically motivated, claimed it was filed improperly and dismissed it as unreliable because it was based on secondhand or thirdhand information.
A rough transcript of Trump’s call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, released by the White House, has already corroborated the complaint’s central claim that Trump sought to pressure Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. The push came even though there was no evidence of wrongdoing by the former vice president or his son Hunter, who served on the board of a Ukrainian gas company.
Text messages from State Department officials revealed other details, including that Ukraine was promised a visit with Trump if the government would agree to investigate the 2016 election and Ukrainian gas company Burisma — the outline of a potential quid pro quo.
Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said word of a second whistleblower indicates a larger shift inside the government.
“The president’s real problem is that his behavior has finally gotten to a place where people are saying, ‘Enough,’” Himes said.

https://apnews.com/3276e989b619417991482acaa5366015

 

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Ofcourse there is no coordination and timing is just random.
Source is NYT, pending confirmation from other more reliable sources:

Trump Taxes: President Ordered to Turn Over Returns to Manhattan D.A.

A judge rejected the president’s argument that he was immune from criminal investigations.

By William K. Rashbaum and Benjamin Weiser
Oct. 7, 2019Updated 10:57 a.m. ET
A federal judge on Monday rejected a bold argument from President Trump that sitting presidents are immune from criminal investigations, allowing the Manhattan district attorney’s office to move forward with a subpoena seeking eight years of the president’s personal and corporate tax returns.
The ruling issued by Judge Victor Marrero of Manhattan federal court does not mean that the president’s tax returns will be turned over immediately. Mr. Trump’s lawyers quickly appealed the decision, and the appeals court agreed to temporarily block the order.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/nyregion/trump-taxes-lawsuit-vance.html



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Conservative GOP Senator Ted Cruz:

"Maybe it is the case that Donald, there have been multiple media reports about Donald's business dealings with the mob, with the mafia. Maybe his taxes show those business dealings are a lot more extensive than has been reported"

 

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Hopefully fakenews, but if this former donot turned envoy is thinking about throwing MAGA Presidency under the bus, in future donors may be less liklet to become ambassadors:


Envoy to say his denial of quid pro quo came from Trump

Aaron C. Davis and John Hudson, The Washington Post
Published 9:57 pm EDT, Saturday, October 12, 2019

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Photo: Pablo Martinez Monsivais, AP
FILE - In this July 10, 2018, file photo, President Donald Trump is joined by Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, second from right, as he arrives at Melsbroek Air Base, in Brussels, ... more

WASHINGTON - The U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, intends to tell Congress this week that the content of a text message he wrote denying a quid pro quo with Ukraine was relayed to him directly by President Donald Trump in a phone call, according to a person familiar with his testimony.
Sondland plans to tell lawmakers he has no knowledge of whether the president was telling him the truth at that moment. "It's only true that the president said it, not that it was the truth," said the person familiar with Sondland's planned testimony, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive diplomatic matters.

The Sept. 9 exchange between Sondland and the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine has become central to the House Democrats' impeachment inquiry into whether the president abused his office in pressuring Ukraine to open an investigation into his political rival Joe Biden and his son, who sat on the board of a Ukrainian energy company. The White House and its defenders have held up Sondland's text, which included "no quid pro quo's of any kind," as proof that none was ever considered.

Sondland will hold out the possibility that Trump wasn't truthful in his denial of a quid pro quo as well as an alternative scenario in which the president's interest in the scheme soured at a time when his administration faced mounting scrutiny over why it was withholding about $400 million in security assistance to Ukraine and delaying a leader-level visit with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
"Whether he's deciding it's getting too hot to handle and he backs off whatever his position really was a month earlier, I don't know," the person said of Sondland's understanding.
https://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Exculpatory-text-relayed-by-Trump-Sondland-to-say-14517612.php





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Guy behind TMZ was supposed to be MAGA's friend, hopefully TMZ has not also turned on MAGA like Drudge, Foxnews, GOA, Tucker Carlson, Coulter etc.

President Trump Impeachment Seems Likely According to Oddsmakers

President Trump Impeachment Likely ... According to Oddsmakers
10/2/2019 12:50 AM PT

Donald Trump is about to follow in the footsteps of Bill Clinton ... at least that's the way degenerate gamblers and bookies see the impeachment process playing out.

Okay, impeaching Trump is hardly what Vegas would call a stone-cold lock, but according to oddsmakers at US-Bookies.com ... it's now more likely than not the President is impeached.
The odds of Trump getting impeached are currently 1/2 -- meaning a $100 bet pays $50 -- and the betting line has moved significantly since the whole Ukraine saga was thrust into the national conversation.
Since the whistleblower came out and Nancy Pelosi started the impeachment inquiry, the betting line shifted from even to 1/2. That kinda shift is due to the fact tons of people started betting Trump WILL get impeached.

Oddsmakers tell us the current betting line is the lowest it's been at any point since Trump was sworn in, and up until recently, the bettors felt confident 45 would get a second term.

It's interesting ... polls are trending toward more Americans favoring impeachment than not ... and clearly a lot of them are willing to risk some of their hard-earned money on it.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-betting-odds-bookies-president/

 

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Neocon Bolton allegedly called Giuliani a 'hand grenade'[/h]

Oct 14, 2019
A source tells CNN that Fiona Hill, President Donald Trump's former top Russia adviser, testified that former national security adviser John Bolton referred to Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani as a "hand grenade" who was "going to blow everybody up," as first reported by The New York Times.

 

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We may have lost Noonan and General Mattis also:

The Impeachment Needle May Soon Move
The mood has shifted against Trump, but the House has to show good faith and seriousness.

By Peggy Noonan
Oct. 17, 2019 6:44 pm ET
Things are more fluid than they seem. That’s my impression of Washington right now. There’s something quiet going on, a mood shift.
Impeachment of course will happen. The House will support whatever charges are ultimately introduced because most Democrats think the president is not fully sane and at least somewhat criminal. Also they’re Democrats and he’s a Republican. The charges will involve some level of foreign-policy malfeasance.
The ultimate outcome depends on the Senate. It takes 67 votes to convict. Republicans control the Senate 53-47, and it is unlikely 20 of them will agree to remove a president of their own party. An acquittal is likely but not fated, because we live in the age of the unexpected.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-impeachment-needle-may-soon-move-11571352274


General 'Mad Dog' Mattis turns on Trump

 

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Excitement of fakenews outlet like CNN over this impeachment drama should give anti-fakenews, pro-liberty folks a pause though ; headlines like this make one wonder if some factions of Deep Stage, Deep Neocons etc could be colluding to sink GOPA in 2020:


Published 12 hours ago

John Kasich calls for Trump's impeachment, sending CNN into 'breaking news' frenzy

By Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Fox News

CNN sounded the "breaking news" alarm Friday after Republican John Kasich -- a CNN contributor and frequent critic of President Trump -- bucked the GOP and expressed his support for impeachment.
"And I say it with great sadness," Kasich, a former governor of Ohio, explained after confirming his stand against the president.

CNN immediately treated Kasich's remarks as a bombshell, posting a graphic on screen that read, "Just in: GOP's Kasich: Trump deserves to be impeached."

In addition, a report on CNN's website, calling Kasich's remarks "breaking news," was placed prominently on the network's homepage.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-john-kasich-trump-impeachment



But then again CNN had exhibited similar exciting flavor during Bill Clinton impeachement featuring controversial Kenn Starr, Lindsey Graham, Drudge Report etc, so who knows.

 

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ROMNEY DOWNLOADS ON TRUMP: MAY VOTE TO REMOVE!

The Liberation of Mitt Romney

The newly rebellious senator has become an outspoken dissident in Trump’s Republican Party, just in time for the president’s impeachment trial.

McKay Coppins
Oct 20, 2019

Updated: Sunday, October 20, 2019, at 9:32 p.m. ET
Mitt Romney is leaning forward in his chair, his eyes flashing, his voice sharp.

It’s a strange look for the 72-year-old senator, who typically affects a measured, somber tone when discussing Donald Trump’s various moral deficiencies. But after weeks of escalating combat with the president—over Ukraine, and China, and Syria, and impeachment—the gentleman from Utah suddenly appears ready to unload.

What set him off was my recitation of an argument I’ve heard some Republicans deploy lately to excuse Trump’s behavior. Electing a president, the argument goes, is like hiring a plumber—you don’t care about his character, you just want him to get the job done. Sitting in his Senate office, Romney is indignant. “Are you worried that your plumber overcharges you?” he asks. “Are you worried that the plumber’s going to scream at your kids? Are you worried that the plumber is going to squeal out of your driveway?” I am playing devil’s advocate; he is attempting an exorcism.

To Romney, Trump’s performance as president is inextricably tangled up in his character. “Berating another person, or calling them names, or demeaning a class of people, not telling the truth—those are not private things,” he says, adding: “If during the campaign you pay a porn star $130,000, that now comes into the public domain.”


At this, Romney glances over at two of his aides who are watching silently from the other end of the room, and grins. “They’re going, Oh gosh, shut up.”






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Rush Limbaugh claims Mitt Romney told Nancy Pelosi the Senate would convict Trump. It isn’t true.

By Thomas Burr
Updated: September 30, 2019
Washington • Syndicated conservative talking head Rush Limbaugh falsely claimed to his massive audience this week that Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, told House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that enough Senate Republicans would break ranks to remove President Donald Trump from office.
Limbaugh, who has a wide following among Trump supporters, said on his Wednesday program that “yesterday and today Sen. Mitt Romney, Republican, Utah, had phone calls or meetings, whatever, with Pelosi and assured her there was Republican support to remove Trump.”
The headline on Limbaugh's website touting a transcript of his remarks declares, “Mitt Romney Cozies Up to Pelosi on Impeachment.”
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2019/09/27/rush-limbaugh-claims-mitt/


'Friends' of Mitt Romney create site selling merch, encouraging Utah senator to run against Trump
Oct 13th, 2019

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Tulsi slams Trump as Saudi 'b----' , 'We are not your prostitutes. You are not our pimp'[/h]

In closed-door Senate meet, McConnell gave PowerPoint presentation about impeachment process

 

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Schemes for 'President Pence'?

Not confirmed yet as non-fakenews.



Vice President Mike Pence’s Big Brother Is Sitting In On Congress’s Closed-Door Impeachment Depositions

Republican Rep. Greg Pence, the vice president’s older brother, was elected to Congress last year and serves on one of the committees in charge of the impeachment inquiry.

Kadia Goba BuzzFeed News Reporter

Scott Olson / Getty Images Indiana Rep. Greg Pence, the vice president's older brother.



WASHINGTON — As dozens of House members in charge of the impeachment investigations sit in on closed-door depositions about Ukraine, at least one person in the room has unusually close ties to President Donald Trump’s administration — Vice President Mike Pence’s older brother, Rep. Greg Pence.
The first-term member of Congress sits on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, one of three House committees leading the impeachment investigation (along with the House Intelligence and Oversight committees). He was assigned to the committee earlier this year by members of the Republican House Steering and Policy committees, long before the impeachment inquiry began.


Pence has had access to all the closed-door testimonies of officials speaking on Trump’s actions, US–Ukraine relations, and the controversial phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian president, which sparked the official impeachment investigation.

When asked if Pence should recuse himself because of his relationship with the vice president, Rep. Adam Schiff’s office deferred to the House Foreign Affairs Committee, which then declined to comment. Several Democratic lawmakers told BuzzFeed News they didn’t realize the representative served on the committee.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kadiagoba/greg-pence-impeachment-inquiry-congress-brother

 

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