House CR will have one year delay & remove Congressional subsidies

[CaptLouAlbano]

With just hours to go until the government shuts down, House Republicans will try to pass a bill that would delay the mandate that individuals buy health insurance and would cancel health-insurance subsidies for members of Congress and staff, the president and administration appointees, according to multiple sources.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/...9/house-senate-government-shutdown-97557.html

Smart move by the House on this. Force the Dem Senators to vote for their own subsidies.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

The following Dem Senators are up for reelection in 2014 and are running. These are the ones that need to be contacted should this bill pass the House:

Mark Begich (AK)
Mark Pryor (AR)
Mark Udall (CO)
Chris Coons (DE)
Brian Schatz (HI)
Richard Durbin (IL)
Mary Landrieu (LA)
Ed Markey (MA)
AL Franken (MN)
Jeanne Shaheen (NH)
Tom Udall (NM)
Kay Hagan (NC)
Jeff Merkley (OR)
Jack Reed (RI)
Mark Warner (VA)

 

[nobody's_hero]

I'm still trying to figure out if a delay would help democrats who are up for re-election, more than it would help republicans.

 

[1836er]

So really, then, the Republicans have already caved; even if Reid and the Dems accept this "compromise."

As terrible and the mandate and the congressional exemptions are, the part that absolutely has to be defunded and/or delayed are the Health Care Exchanges. The regulations and penalties and such can all be realistically repealed with a GOP Congress and POTUS in the future... but once the HCEs get created and people signed up for them they will be an entrenched welfare benefit and the Dems will be able to cry "you're going to take away poor people's healthcare" every time the GOP threatens to kill Obamacare in the future.

I hope the Dems kill this bill too and we get the shutdown. To me... pretty much ANY political price is necessary to defund or delay the HCEs.

 

[economics102]

I don't want a delay! If they're not going to completely dismantle Obamacare they need to let it go through so its proponents can't claim the problem was something else other than their disastrous law.

 

[1836er]

Of courses the statists and their media enablers will never admit that their statism failied... they'll simply claim that the free market is broken and we need more statism and what we did last time wasn't enough statism.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I don't want a delay! If they're not going to completely dismantle Obamacare they need to let it go through so its proponents can't claim the problem was something else other than their disastrous law.

I want a delay. Another year for me too get my financial life in order before having another sack strapped on my back would be a blessing, although I hesitate to even say that because I can't believe the extent to which I'm being robbed already. Not being robbed isn't a blessing, it's the way things should be. That said, I'm going to do everything I can to not comply with this. I don't know what yet, but times are getting desperate, and nothing's off the table.

 

[angelatc]

I don't want a delay! If they're not going to completely dismantle Obamacare they need to let it go through so its proponents can't claim the problem was something else other than their disastrous law.

They don't have the Senate or the votes to override a veto so they cant repeal it entirely. They're trying to postpone as much of it as they can, because once it gets started, it will be impossible to repeal.

Listen to the greedy piggies squealing now, you'd think none of them had ever paid out of pocket for birth control. And that benefit is less than a year old.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

All right, stop the countdown:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/us-government-shutdown-congress-deadline-live

less than 1m ago
The Washington Post reports that the House *will not* attempt any more votes tonight.

House Republicans decided they would not attempt to pass any more bills late Monday to fund the government, setting in motion the first shutdown of federal agencies since 1996, according to two senior GOP advisers. The shutdown will begin early Tuesday.
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[Mr.NoSmile]

Interesting, the back and forth I'm seeing from friends of mine. Here's something The Washington Post recently came out with:

1) Only one party is demanding major concessions from the other in exchange for keeping the government open at sequester spending levels – levels leaders of that same party have already declared is a victory for them — while the other party is demanding exactly nothing in exchange for doing that.

2) Only one party is demanding major concessions from the other in exchange for making it possible for the U.S. to pay its bills — an outcome leaders of the same party have already declared is necessary to spare the country default and economic havoc – while the other party is demanding exactly nothing in exchange for doing that.

All clear now?

Well, no.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/09/30/our-current-governing-crisis-in-two-sentences/

 

[ObiRandKenobi]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaat i was totally gonna visit Yellowstone damn you ted cruzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! rarghhhhhh rawwwwrgghhhhh!!!!!!

 

[jkob]

Postponing Obamacare until 2014 is the best course of action, make the 2014 elections a referendum on Obamacare.

 

[GregSarnowski]

Postponing Obamacare until 2014 is the best course of action, make the 2014 elections a referendum on Obamacare.

There are no good options but you may be right. At first I was thinking let Obamacare proceed and then people will notice the skyrocketing premiums and hopefully take it out on the Dems. But of course most low info voters will probably just blame any increase on the big bad insurance companies. And since there is no such thing as a temporary government program, delaying the implementation until it can be killed might be the only hope.

 

[jkob]

People will care if they feel they can change things, if there is an election staring them in the face and the public truly wants to stop Obamacare they will punish the Democrats next year.

 

[GregSarnowski]

People will care if they feel they can change things, if there is an election staring them in the face and the public truly wants to stop Obamacare they will punish the Democrats next year.

Yes but will people put the blame where it belongs, on government intervention and not the "free market"? Judging from the past that is far from guaranteed, and we know the mainstream media will do everything they can to push the lie.

 

[RPfan1992]

So is obamacare still in effect if the gov.t shuts down? Or is it still being funded and on schedule for tomorrow?