Hotair: Rand Paul differentiates foreign policy from his father’s brand

[pcosmar]

Rand paul would not take the power to declare war upon himself. Because of that he would restore that power to the people, at least while he was president. That is not laughable.

You have a crystal ball?

I had thought the same about Reagan. Even Bush said some good stuff.

And as much as I might hope so, Rand is not Ron.

And Ron would have never said something like Rand just did.

 

[torchbearer]

It is laughable to suppose that ANYONE is gonna sashay into the corner office and, poof, reverse the UNREPRESENTATIVE imperiousness of a CONGRESS GONE WILD.

Anyone who imagines that Democrats will not try to obstruct Republicans at every turn...same as Republicans have tried to obstruct Obama...IS, indeed, imagining.

For Rand to "simply" DO what Supporters want him to do and think he will do, he'd have to resort to...you guessed it...EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

I'd rather have those battles than to not have those battles and just sit at home and bitch.

 

[dinosaur]

You have a crystal ball?

I had thought the same about Reagan. Even Bush said some good stuff.

And as much as I might hope so, Rand is not Ron.

And Ron would have never said something like Rand just did.

Ron has said that he would execute a war that congress legally declared. Ron has said that Israel is our friend. The only difference that I see is in the rhetoric. In my judgement, Rand is honest, and I'm pretty cynical when it comes to politicians. People will have to make their own judgements about that, though.

 

[cheapseats]

I'd rather have those battles than to not have those battles and just sit at home and bitch.

GETTING to those battles requires winning the General Election, not just the Republican Primary.

 

[torchbearer]

GETTING to those battles requires winning the General Election, not just the Republican Primary.

every step is the battle.
some peeps here won't even bother to stand in the trenches as we go back into those conventions filled with armed men ready to beat us down.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

There is no way he is going to morph into an interventionist. If he does, I will no longer support him. But so far, all I've seen from Rand, is Rand using their own rhetoric and re-defining it. It is actually very clever of him to use their own rhetoric against them...and to give it an honest meaning. For example, supporting Israel now means that we support ther right to be independent of the US and to defend themselves. It also now means that we shouldn't undermine their efforts to protect themselves by occupying, arming, and training their enemies in the middle east. When the neocons say that they support Israel, they are really saying that they support the endless stupid wars in the middle east that benefit neither Amercia, nor Great Britain, nor Israel...but that is not Rand's definition of supporting Israel. When neocons say that we must defend Israel, what they really mean is that we should attack Iran to finish the bankster wars...not Rand's definition either.

And for the life of me I can't understand why some people can't see this unless they are hell bent on being a fringe saboteur, in which case, they become the enemy of the political liberty movement. You're basically saying, "Hey Ron, you're son is a POS and is on par with Dick Cheney." Way to give thx to all Ron has done for liberty to cast aside his ideologically close son because you refuse to allow him to speak in different lingo because it upsets your stomach. Get f'd

 

[cheapseats]

I'd rather have those battles than to not have those battles and just sit at home and bitch.

I seriously hope that longtime activist you are not falling back on the self-serving suggestion that anyone who is not onboard with ONE FACTION'S agenda is doing nothing.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Turning ugly. But I guess it is better to get this ugliness out now than for it to come out later.

Sooooo. Can someone point out someone better for 2016? Anyone??? Can anyone suggest someone other than Rand for 2016? Heck, possibly 2020? Someone who is like Ron and has a chance of even getting the nomination. With the current pool of politicians, its not that great of a pool to choose from. There are some junior politicians, but they'll take a while to blossom and to get name recognition.

 

[torchbearer]

I seriously hope that longtime activist you are not falling back on the self-serving suggestion that anyone who is not onboard with ONE FACTION'S agenda is doing nothing.

There is a battle, you recognize it. its the only one going on...
what will you be doing?
I suspect there will be those who just bitch the whole time.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

I imagine Rand meant that the U.S would come to Israel's defense if another country launched a full scale invasion into Israel, but he should've been more clear. I hope that he actually listens to people's concerns and clears this issue up.

Just like Ron, where he doesn't really clear things up with foreign policy and medicare/SS. I recall people trying to get in contact with doug wead or someone that has direct link to Ron to ask Ron to be much more clear and explain his FP and medicare/SS better at debates or national TV. There are times where Ron sounds like he wants to end social security and medicare for the elderly in the 1 trillion dollar cut. Shouldve said "Ron will cut 1 trillion dollar year one to save SS and medicare". To be fair, there are times when he say he wants a slow transition of 10-20 years before ending SS/medicare. But he doesn't say it enough.

 

[cheapseats]

Turning ugly. But I guess it is better to get this ugliness out now than for it to come out later.

Rand is CLEARLY posturing for a presidential bid. Okay, KNOWN. Howzabout the Liberty Moovement bears that knowledge in mind as it proceeds with its (snail's pace) effort to restore some Liberty and infuse some Justice into this embarrassingly BROKEN "System"?

If people spend FOUR YEARS pimping him and he doesn't win, then spend four MORE years pimping him for 2020 or EIGHT more years pimping him for 2024, he will become stigmatized as ALWAYS running for president...like Mitt Romney.

Sooooo. Can someone point out someone better for 2016? Anyone??? Can anyone suggest someone other than Rand for 2016? Heck, possibly 2020? Someone who is like Ron and has a chance of even getting the nomination. With the current pool of politicians, its not that great of a pool to choose from. There are some junior politicians, but they'll take a while to blossom and to get name recognition.

If Rand Paul gets run over by a bus, that's IT...all is lost? Are "we" again pinning salvation on a Messiah?

 

[twomp]

If Rand Paul is the current figure of the Liberty movement, if the Liberty movement stands for the defense of Israel then the Liberty movement has been co-opted. We defend NO ONE BUT THE USA!

 

[iakobos]

Good point. What Rand could have said, if he wanted to appease both sides of the issue is, "If Israel is attacked and if the United States House of Representatives passes a declaration of war against the attacking nation, then as President I would prosecute the war." Neither side would be totally happy with that but it's a more Constitutional answer. Instead of that we got typical neo-con blather about war no matter what.

I'm still suffering severe disappointment from Rand's statements.

He has said repeatedly no war without congress say so.

They would obviously say yes if Israel got attacked

The issue, though, is not whether Rand would only go to war with a Congressional declaration, but that he would apparently lead the charge to get that declaration. What I'm getting at is he doesn't think like I and his Dad do about the subject of repudiating all foreign military entanglements. It's obvious his statements will court the typical Republican go to war at all costs, especially if it's Israel, mentality. The words I put in his mouth are my words, obviously, but are meant to illustrate that someone who thinks as I do could deflect the issue by pointing to Constitutionality issues without necessarily giving a blanket statement of support or no support for war on Israel's behalf. I'm trying to be helpful here because I understand how knee jerk pro-war Republicans are when it comes to all things Middle East. And I perceive the need for any 'Libertarian' candidate to therefore handle the matter delicately.

Instead we got an openly pro-war statement. I find his pro-war views very disappointing.

 

[dskalkowski]

If Rand Paul is the current figure of the Liberty movement, if the Liberty movement stands for the defense of Israel then the Liberty movement has been co-opted. We defend NO ONE BUT THE USA!

You actually think Israel is going to get attacked?

 

[cheapseats]

You actually think Israel is going to get attacked?

Do you think Israel would never PROVOKE an attack, resting assured of backup from the mighty American Military (and Taxpayer)?

 

[twomp]

You actually think Israel is going to get attacked?

You mean you don't? Have you not heard Netanyahu (that the current leader of Israel) declare that he will not allow Iran to have a nuclear bomb? Israel has already bombed Syria's nuclear plant. You don't think they will do so to Iran? Do you not think Iran will retaliate?

 

[deadfish]

Incredible that so many on RPF would rather have a Barack Obama / Hillary Clinton type person as POTUS instead of Rand Paul.

How... Why... Isn't that just stupid?

 

[twomp]

Incredible that so many on RPF would rather have a Barack Obama / Hillary Clinton type person as POTUS instead of Rand Paul.

How... Why... Isn't that just stupid?

Really? Please point to me where someone said that. Nice try at spinning peoples words though.

 

[torchbearer]

Incredible that so many on RPF would rather have a Barack Obama / Hillary Clinton type person as POTUS instead of Rand Paul.

How... Why... Isn't that just stupid?

they are that stupid.
we had this strand of stupid in the LP and it held us back at every turn.

 

[iakobos]

Incredible that so many on RPF would rather have a Barack Obama / Hillary Clinton type person as POTUS instead of Rand Paul.

How... Why... Isn't that just stupid?

Incredible that someone would rather have Rand Paul than Ron Paul.
How... Why... Isn't that just stupid?

Now go troll somewhere else.