Horrible New Medical Guidelines for Fat Patients

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Wow. If the Medical Industrial Complex goes with this recommendation and takes my fat brother off of his bipolar medication, he'll end up dead PDQ.

From Dances With Fat: Horrible New Medical Guidelines for Fat Patients
http://wendymcelroy.com/news.php?extend.6302

When reader Vivian asked me what I thought of a piece from Medscape called “New US Obesity Guidelines: Treat the Weight First” I geared myself up to read something terrible. I didn’t imagine just how horrible it would be.

In the article Dr Caroline M Apovian discusses a paper, of which she was the lead author, that suggests guidelines about how to care for fat people who have actual health issues:

The guidelines advise treating the weight first with lifestyle modification and medication and then managing the remaining comorbidities that have not responded to any weight loss, including hyperglycemia, hypertension, and dyslipidemia.

She also recommends that if patients are taking medication that has a side effect of weight gain (including those for depression, epilepsy, and schizophrenia) including “insulin, sulfonylureas, thiazolidinediones, beta-blockers, or certain specific selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) like paroxetine” they should be tapered off of them – even if the medication is working for their health issue and even if the tapering process may cause unnecessary physical and mental health issues – and put them on “alternative agents that don’t increase weight.”

So what these guidelines are actually saying is that only thin people should get evidence-based treatment for their health issues. But don’t worry, because according to Dr. Apovian, they’ve really got a handle on this whole weight loss thing:
In the end, you’re going to give the best guess of which drug the patient should go on….If the patient doesn’t lose 5% of their weight in 12 weeks, stop the drug and try another. Unless you can really get a clear idea of what you think the patient is going to do best on, you’re going to be prescribing by trial and error….This is the question I get asked the most often. Unfortunately, the research isn’t there to help us beyond that.

Oh yes, this definitely has the ring of good evidence-based medicine, and doesn’t sound at all like completely uncontrolled experimental medicine. Not to mention that weight loss drugs cause everything from uncontrolled anal seepage to addiction and death and all for a minimal weight loss (4.5 pounds in a year!) which their own studies show patients begin to regain almost immediately.
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Dr Apovian serves on advisory boards for Amylin, Merck, Johnson & Johnson, Arena, Nutrisystem, Zafgen, Sanofi, Orexigen, and Enteromedics. She has received research funding from Lilly, Amylin, Aspire Bariatrics, GI Dynamics, Pfizer, Sanofi, Orexigen, MetaProteomics, and the Dr Robert C and Veronica Atkins Foundation.

Hmmm, she’s on the advisory boards of companies that make weight loss drugs, and she’s written guidelines that recommend a massive increase in the use of weight loss drugs. That’s curious. I think that this is what happens when healthcare for profit and a cultural hatred of fat people collide. This is the real “war on obesity” they want us thin, but they don’t mind if we die, as long as we’re not fat and they stay rich.

If these guidelines are adopted it means that fat people will have to fight even harder to get evidence-based medicine instead of “interventions” that are bought and paid for by diet companies. We’re going to have to wonder if our doctor is prescribing us a subpar medicine because they are following guidelines that tell them they should be more concerned about our body size than our actual health.

We’ll have to worry that they are withholding treatment that a thin person would be offered, unless and until we are able to manipulate our body size to their satisfaction.


Those who agree to take the diet drugs will have to worry that their ability to get actual healthcare rests on expensive, dangerous drugs with a poor track record that are being prescribed to them on a trial and error basis, and that 12 weeks from now when the drugs don’t work they will be prescribed a different expensive, dangerous drug, and again 12 weeks later, all while still being refused the evidence-based healthcare that they would have been prescribed 24 weeks ago if they were thin.

You won't have to wonder or worry. You can count on it. More at the link.
 
Wow. If the Medical Industrial Complex goes with this recommendation and takes my fat brother off of his bipolar medication, he'll end up dead PDQ.

He won't get dead anywhere near as fast as people with hypoactive thyroids if they have to lose weight to get their Synthroid.

Make the fat people thin or kill them trying. Yes, Virginia, there used to be a Santa Claus.
 
True that!

I find it astonishing that this fascist broad is recommending that doctors take their diabetic patients off insulin!

if patients are taking medication that has a side effect of weight gain (including those for depression, epilepsy, and schizophrenia) including “insulin, sulfonylureas, thiazolidinediones, beta-blockers, or certain specific selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) like paroxetine” they should be tapered off of them – even if the medication is working for their health issue and even if the tapering process may cause unnecessary physical and mental health issues – and put them on “alternative agents that don’t increase weight.”

I'll be the first to say that most people can correct a variety of health issues with diet and lifestyle changes, but losing weight is more important than treating mental illness?! W.T.F.
 
He won't get dead anywhere near as fast as people with hypoactive thyroids if they have to lose weight to get their Synthroid.

Make the fat people thin or kill them trying. Yes, Virginia, there used to be a Santa Claus.

same for hyperactive thyroid and methamazole (tapazole) .. yeah yeah.. I know, most hyperactive thyroid patients are thin.. I'm just not one of them
 
So, is this bit of cruel and unusual eugenics policy yet, or is this still in the trial balloon stage?
 
Are you denying the existence of overweight people, or denying them the right to fall off their diets?

He's just reserving the right to be openly mean to them. A right I certainly can't protest, now can I?
 
True that!

I find it astonishing that this fascist broad is recommending that doctors take their diabetic patients off insulin!



I'll be the first to say that most people can correct a variety of health issues with diet and lifestyle changes, but losing weight is more important than treating mental illness?! W.T.F.


Yes, the rambling idiot squad will be along shortly to start insisting that anti-depression drugs don't work anyway, and the conversatio nwill go to hell right after that, but seriously..taking a suicidal patient off a drug that's working for him/her because of a weight issue? That's like taking chemo away from a cancer patient because of a risk of infection.

The ruling elite are insane.
 
I'll be the first to say that most people can correct a variety of health issues with diet and lifestyle changes, but losing weight is more important than treating mental illness?! W.T.F.

Here is my concern: Most of the anti-psychotics/depressants and psychotropic drugs are causing the weight gain. Then you have to wonder how long a person has been on them? To yank them off these drugs is really bad--we'll see many, many people going off the deep end, causing harm to themselves and possibly other people. However, doctors have been prescribing these drugs like candy for years...so we have a conundrum now that they (Medical mafia) literally caused.

References:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16389718
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...olar-medications-and-weight-gain/faq-20058043
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archiv...in-weight-on-these-6-psychiatric-medications/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/business/28psych.html?_r=0
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200505/fat-pharms-prescription-weight-gain
 
Yes but is it just a form of self-medication? Are people unhappy because they're fat, or fat because they're unhappy?

There is much more to the relationship between diet and mental illness than obesity. Stated idfferently, bad diet can cause mental health problems without also causing obesity. It might also be possible to have obesity without mental health problems - at least initially. But because obesity is associated with chronic inflammation and chronic inflammation is associated with mental illness, including dementia, then it is likely that in the long run (if they live that long) obesity will usually be associated with mental illness.
 
He's just reserving the right to be openly mean to them. A right I certainly can't protest, now can I?

It's a little more subtle than that. I don't want to be mean to them. I am, however, reserving the right not to be compelled to consider fat a virtue in any way.
 
It's a little more subtle than that. I don't want to be mean to them. I am, however, reserving the right not to be compelled to consider fat a virtue in any way.

Are you capable of considering weight to be something that not everyone can control? Are you capable of considering weight gain as a consequence of some medical condition like a haywire thyroid to not be a vice in any way?
 
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