Honest Money Constitutional Amendment

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

I just made the wording stronger by adding this phrase:
"neither shall it prevent operation of private currencies, mints, or free competition in currencies among private citizens,"

Please see it at the top of this thread.

Thanks.

 

[Travlyr]

Would it be possible to get this amendment passed? It would solve most of societies ills.

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate [Possibly abrogated by Amendment XVII].

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Would it be possible to get this amendment passed? It would solve most of societies ills.

Are you talking about "Honest Money Constitutional Amendment"? If yes, I am all for it!

 

[Travlyr]

Yes, the "Honest Money Constitutional Amendment." How would we get started?

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Yes, the "Honest Money Constitutional Amendment." How would we get started?

In my view we would:

1) Educate ourselves on the benefits of such an amendment, and understand them thoroughly (including the reasons why these benefits would exist).
2) Contact our State legislatures and propose state house resolutions in the support of this amendment.
3) Begin a signature gathering initiative in the support of the amendment to be presented to State and Federal Legislative representatives.
4) Contact US Congresspersons with a grassroots campaign, and State House resolutions to support the amendment.
5) Educate our friends and neighbors as much as possible of the imperative and key benefits of such an amendment.
6) Vote and elect only the people who would commit to supporting this amendment.
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That would be a start.

 

[Travlyr]

Honest dealings with each other is a fundamental element to a sound free society.

Count me in. If anyone else is interested in helping, please let us know. If there is anyone with recommended changes, please let us know.

 

[muzzled dogg]

No need for an amendment to the us constitution, ESPECIALLY via article 5 convention. Absolute must for the states tho

 

[Travlyr]

No need for an amendment to the us constitution, ESPECIALLY via article 5 convention. Absolute must for the states tho

Please explain.

 

[muzzled dogg]

Which part?

 

[Travlyr]

Why do you say no need to amend the U.S. Constitution using the amendment process?

 

[muzzled dogg]

The groundwork is in place for the Federal government to be using sound money. As you know, congress has unconstitutionally delegated authority to the federal reserve to print fiat. Imo, you have a better chance repealing the federal reserve act than amending the constitution, but either is a lost cause. I think we'd have a better chance of passing legislation at the state level to phase out the frn

 

[Travlyr]

Thanks for your input.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Count me in. If anyone else is interested in helping, please let us know. If there is anyone with recommended changes, please let us know.

Thank you, and yes, if you can improve this, I will be grateful.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

No need for an amendment to the us constitution, ESPECIALLY via article 5 convention. Absolute must for the states tho

I agree that article V Constitutional Convention is very dangerous! Please see:



However, an amendment can be passed without a convention. This is the way most of the amendments to US Constitution have been passed, by two thirds of the States ratifying an amendment.

Now, as for there being no need for an amendment, I would disagree. There is a flaw in the Constitution, even though it does lay the frame work for sound money, it fails to explain why it is important. This is the case with most of the provisions of the Constitution: the reason WHY certain things are done are missing. This is especially deadly in the case of such a key provision as sound money. The power is in the WHY. Why? Because it is the people, who must defend the Constitution, because the government will not. And if people do not know WHY certain provisions are made in the Constitution, they are dis-empowered to defend it! It is ALL about persuasion in the end. The more direct, explicit and persuasive the law is, the more people are empowered to defend that law to preserve their liberty.

This amendment delivers the WHY, as well as explicitly states certain key points that were only implied previously.

If persuasion and directness is power, which it is, then the Constitution can and must be made stronger, so the people will be more empowered to defend it.

Yes we must work on the State level, but we can also work on the Federal level as well. Let's attack this unconstitutional monster from EVERY side, and kill it! The more the merrier, I say!

Besides, think of the education and awakening, that a debate about such an excellent amendment, an amendment true to the core, fundamental principles of liberty will spark! You win either way! I see only good coming from such an effort, therefore I urge you to support it.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

In lieu of the importance of the WHY, I added another sentence:

"Also, free competition in currencies, by the force of Free Market, checks the government from debasing a currency."

 

[Travlyr]

Here are a couple of thoughts, a suggested change and additions to consider.

Honest Money Constitutional Amendment

Fiat monetary system and paper unnatural money inflation being some of the greatest enemies of liberty and prosperity of the people, legal tender laws are strictly forbidden.

Since no individual can rightfully force his neighbor to transact or not to transact in certain medium of exchange, he cannot delegate such authority to his government. Also, free competition in currencies, by the force of Free Market, checks the government from debasing a currency.

Therefore: the government shall make no law establishing an exclusive form of currency that the people are forced to use in private transactions, neither shall it prevent operation of private currencies, mints, or free competition in currencies among private citizens, nor charge capital gain, sales, add:[fees, duties, costs,] or any other taxes on the medium of exchange. The right of the people to transact among themselves in any currency they choose shall not be abridged.



Or perhaps rewrite the entire sentence in bold as: nor impose any costs whatsoever on the medium of exchange.

Also, attaching definitions of critical words is important to make the amendment timeless.

 

[muzzled dogg]

@ Foundation_Of_Liberty

I suppose id need to see the specific legislation associated with your non-article V constitutional amendment but
1) why are you going to amend a document that congress already ignores?

1a) In trying to do so, you're probably going to fail for reasons we both know: US congress men and women stand to profit from a fiat currency they can spend to their hearts delight, etc.

1a 1) Upon failure at the federal level to ratify their new constitutional amendment, we can expect tea-ocons and new people waking up to liberty to pursue an article V convention with their state governments. You are aware of the potential perils of such a convention.

2) Let us try to pass sound money legislation at the state level adhering to the federal constitution. I've seen some great ideas on how this could work. Please read Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. If the proper legislation is passed in a single state then I am confident it will be adopted by the rest of the states.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Here are a couple of thoughts, a suggested change and additions to consider.

Honest Money Constitutional Amendment

Fiat monetary system and paper unnatural money inflation being some of the greatest enemies of liberty and prosperity of the people, legal tender laws are strictly forbidden.

Since no individual can rightfully force his neighbor to transact or not to transact in certain medium of exchange, he cannot delegate such authority to his government. Also, free competition in currencies, by the force of Free Market, checks the government from debasing a currency.

Therefore: the government shall make no law establishing an exclusive form of currency that the people are forced to use in private transactions, neither shall it prevent operation of private currencies, mints, or free competition in currencies among private citizens, nor charge capital gain, sales, add:[fees, duties, costs,] or any other taxes on the medium of exchange. The right of the people to transact among themselves in any currency they choose shall not be abridged.



Or perhaps rewrite the entire sentence in bold as: nor impose any costs whatsoever on the medium of exchange.

Also, attaching definitions of critical words is important to make the amendment timeless.

I like that "fees, duties, costs." My only concern if the sentence becomes less comprehensible:

Therefore: the government shall make no law establishing an exclusive form of currency that the people are forced to use in private transactions, neither shall it prevent operation of private currencies, mints, or free competition in currencies among private citizens, nor charge capital gain, sales, fees, duties, costs, or any other taxes on the medium of exchange.

What do you think?

As for "unnatural money inflation," what does that mean?

"attaching definitions of critical words is important to make the amendment timeless" I like that! How do you do that? Suggestions?

Thanks.

 

[Travlyr]

I like that "fees, duties, costs." My only concern if the sentence becomes less comprehensible:

That is my concern as well.

Therefore: the government shall make no law establishing an exclusive form of currency that the people are forced to use in private transactions, neither shall it prevent operation of private currencies, mints, or free competition in currencies among private citizens, nor charge capital gain, sales, fees, duties, costs, or any other taxes on the medium of exchange.

What do you think?

Whatever it takes so that it is not ambiguous.

As for "unnatural money inflation," what does that mean?

Anything that is not natural. Finding more gold, silver, or other commodity is a natural process. While paper monetary inflation is not the same as electronic account monetary inflation and is directed by the hand of man, not nature. Just brainstorming to make it as clear as possible.

"attaching definitions of critical words is important to make the amendment timeless" I like that! How do you do that? Suggestions?

Thanks.

Footnotes attached?

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

I suppose id need to see the specific legislation associated with your non-article V constitutional amendment but

Most of the amendments now in the Constitution were put there WITHOUT a convention. That is the route I'd like to go.

1) why are you going to amend a document that congress already ignores?

It is much harder to ignore a more explicit document, that provides strong reasons WHY certain provisions are made. It took Congress and banksters many generations to erode collective memory of the people as to why sound money is important. If an explicit explanation was present in the Constitution (as the one I am proposing) I don't think they would've succeeded without amending the Constitution. Again, it is the people who must defend the Constitution, because the government will not. The more clear, explicit and persuasive the document is, the easier it is for the people to defend it. That is why this amendment is extremely beneficial.

1a) In trying to do so, you're probably going to fail for reasons we both know: US congress men and women stand to profit from a fiat currency they can spend to their hearts delight, etc.

The very effort and debate put into passing such an amendment are of tremendous value, because they educate the people about the true principles of liberty, and about the imperative, critical, life or death importance of sound money in preservation of Freedom. Liberty MUST unavoidably die under a fiat monetary system. It is inescapable. Liberty can only survive and flourish under a sound and honest monetary system. Free competition in currencies is the BEST way to accomplish this.

1a 1) Upon failure at the federal level to ratify their new constitutional amendment, we can expect tea-ocons and new people waking up to liberty to pursue an article V convention with their state governments. You are aware of the potential perils of such a convention.

We must explain them the dangers of such a convention (Con Con).

2) Let us try to pass sound money legislation at the state level adhering to the federal constitution. I've seen some great ideas on how this could work. Please read Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. If the proper legislation is passed in a single state then I am confident it will be adopted by the rest of the states.

I wholeheartedly agree. Our best bet is to start at State level, but why miss the fun? Lets attack it from ALL sides! The more the merrier. It is only beneficial, and one effort can strengthen the other because of added publicity.