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Hitler Wins Again

Posted by Butler Shaffer on January 8, 2013 07:42 PM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/130255.html

It has been some 3-4 years since I last held my classic "election" on the first day of class in our law school. (The students - 2nd and 3rd year - don't know who I am, and I hand out the ballots before doing or saying anything.) The candidates for office are Candidate A and Candidate B, each of whom is identified not by name, but by description of behavior and/or policies advocated.

In the past, Candidate B receives - on the average - about 75% of the vote. Today - with 22 students voting - Candidate B received 20 votes [just under 91% of the vote] while Candidate A got 2 votes [just over 9%].

Oh, yes, for those who haven't followed this exercise before - of which I have reported herein in the past - Candidate A is a composite of such Revolutionary War heroes as George Washington, John Hancock, Sam Adams, Paul Revere, etc.. Candidate B is Adolf Hitler.

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For Whom Would You Vote?

In each of the past two years, and on the first day of class, Law
Professor Butler Shaffer, Southwestern University School of Law, presented
his students with the following voting exercise. Bear in mind that these
students knew nothing about the Professor nor had he said anything to them
before opening up the class with this exercise.


VOTING EXERCISE

"It is time to elect the leader of a great nation, and you have been
presented with the following candidates:

CANDIDATE "A": A well-known critic of government, this man has been
involved in tax protest movements, and has openly advocated secession,
armed rebellion against the existing national government, and even the
overthrow of that government. He is a known member of a militia group that
was involved in a shootout with law enforcement authorities. He opposes
gun control efforts of the present national government, as well as
restrictions on open immigration into this country. He is a businessman
who as earned his fortune from such businesses as alcohol, tobacco,
retailing, and smuggling."

CANDIDATE "B": A decorated army war veteran, this man is an avowed
nonsmoker and dedicated public health advocate. His public health
interests include the fostering of medical research and his dedication to
eliminating cancer. He opposes the use of animals in conducting such
research. He has supported restrictions on the use of
asbestos, pesticides, and radiation, and favors government determined
occupational health and safety standards, as well as the promotion of such
foods as whole-grain bread and soybeans. He is an advocate of government
gun-control measures. An ardent opponent of tobacco, he has supported
increased restrictions on both the use of and advertising for tobacco
products. Such advertising restrictions include: [1] not allowing tobacco
use to be portrayed as harmless or a sign of masculinity; [2] not allowing
such advertising to be directed to women; [3] not drawing attention to the
low nicotine content of tobacco products; and, [4] limitations as to where
such advertisements may be made. This man is a champion of environmental
and conservationist programs, and believes in the importance of sending
troops into foreign countries in order to maintain order therein.

PLEASE SELECT THE CANDIDATE FOR WHICH YOU WOULD VOTE:

CANDIDATE "A" ------------ _______

CANDIDATE "B" ------------ _______

The combined vote total for these two years (4 classes) is as follows:
Candidate "A" 47 votes, Candidate "B” 141 votes. A percentage of 25% for
"A,” 75% for "B."

After collecting all the ballots, the professor inform the students that
Candidate "A" is a composite of the "founding fathers" (e.g., Sam Adams,
John Hancock, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Patrick Henry, etc.,
etc.) while Candidate "B" is Adolph Hitler (see Robert Proctor's book, THE
NAZI WAR ON CANCER).

An interesting follow-up occurred in one of these classes last year. In
the "commerce clause" segment of constitutional law, the students were
discussing the Schechter case - in which the Supreme Court struck down the
New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act. After describing this Act in
some detail, the professor went on to inform his students just how popular
state collectivism was throughout the world: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini,
and Franco and Roosevelt being the better known examples; and of how
Hitler and Mussolini had been revered by many renowned people throughout
the world, including Gandhi, Churchill, etc., etc. At this point, one
student interrupted: "I don't see how you can say that. How could a man
like Adolph Hitler have been popular with so many people?"

The professor leaned over the podium and responded:

"You tell me: just two weeks ago 78% of you in this class voted for him!"
 
The test is not completely unbiased. The description of Candidate A includes lots of negatives
A well-known critic of government,

has openly advocated secession,
armed rebellion
against the existing national government

He is a known member of a militia group that
was involved in a shootout with law enforcement authorities
.

earned his fortune from such businesses as alcohol, tobacco,
retailing, and smuggling."


While the virtues of candidate B are all positives.

A decorated army war veteran

dedication to
eliminating cancer.

opposes the use of animals in conducting such
research

This man is a champion of environmental
and conservationist programs,

It is set up to encourage people to vote for "B" over "A". The results should not be a surprise at all. Line up the best of one candidate against the worst of the other and people will choose the best.
 
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The test is not completely unbiased. The description of Candidate A includes lots of negatives









While the virtues of candidate B are all positives.









It is set up to encourage people to vote for "B" over "A". The results should not be a surprise at all. Line up the best of one candidate against the worst of the other and people will choose the best.

how does the media present our dear leaders, and how do they present us to the public?
candidate a - us
candidate b - the statist.


this is an accurate representation of how voting people are manipulated by media. garbage in, garbage out.
 
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The professor has a sense of humor.

I think he's trying to illustrate to his students that a fascist can sound popular.

Hitler's party won many seats on the back of the depression and the president was talked into making him Chancellor in a coalition government.
 
He's basically saying: Just because someone sounds good, it doesn't mean they are. I wish people had this same thought when listening to the typical politician of today.
 
Hitler Wins Again

Posted by Butler Shaffer on January 8, 2013 07:42 PM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/130255.html

It has been some 3-4 years since I last held my classic "election" on the first day of class in our law school. (The students - 2nd and 3rd year - don't know who I am, and I hand out the ballots before doing or saying anything.) The candidates for office are Candidate A and Candidate B, each of whom is identified not by name, but by description of behavior and/or policies advocated.

In the past, Candidate B receives - on the average - about 75% of the vote. Today - with 22 students voting - Candidate B received 20 votes [just under 91% of the vote] while Candidate A got 2 votes [just over 9%].

Oh, yes, for those who haven't followed this exercise before - of which I have reported herein in the past - Candidate A is a composite of such Revolutionary War heroes as George Washington, John Hancock, Sam Adams, Paul Revere, etc.. Candidate B is Adolf Hitler.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For Whom Would You Vote?

In each of the past two years, and on the first day of class, Law
Professor Butler Shaffer, Southwestern University School of Law, presented
his students with the following voting exercise. Bear in mind that these
students knew nothing about the Professor nor had he said anything to them
before opening up the class with this exercise.


VOTING EXERCISE

"It is time to elect the leader of a great nation, and you have been
presented with the following candidates:

CANDIDATE "A": A well-known critic of government, this man has been
involved in tax protest movements, and has openly advocated secession,
armed rebellion against the existing national government, and even the
overthrow of that government. He is a known member of a militia group that
was involved in a shootout with law enforcement authorities. He opposes
gun control efforts of the present national government, as well as
restrictions on open immigration into this country. He is a businessman
who as earned his fortune from such businesses as alcohol, tobacco,
retailing, and smuggling."

CANDIDATE "B": A decorated army war veteran, this man is an avowed
nonsmoker and dedicated public health advocate. His public health
interests include the fostering of medical research and his dedication to
eliminating cancer. He opposes the use of animals in conducting such
research. He has supported restrictions on the use of
asbestos, pesticides, and radiation, and favors government determined
occupational health and safety standards, as well as the promotion of such
foods as whole-grain bread and soybeans. He is an advocate of government
gun-control measures. An ardent opponent of tobacco, he has supported
increased restrictions on both the use of and advertising for tobacco
products. Such advertising restrictions include: [1] not allowing tobacco
use to be portrayed as harmless or a sign of masculinity; [2] not allowing
such advertising to be directed to women; [3] not drawing attention to the
low nicotine content of tobacco products; and, [4] limitations as to where
such advertisements may be made. This man is a champion of environmental
and conservationist programs, and believes in the importance of sending
troops into foreign countries in order to maintain order therein.

PLEASE SELECT THE CANDIDATE FOR WHICH YOU WOULD VOTE:

CANDIDATE "A" ------------ _______

CANDIDATE "B" ------------ _______

The combined vote total for these two years (4 classes) is as follows:
Candidate "A" 47 votes, Candidate "B” 141 votes. A percentage of 25% for
"A,” 75% for "B."

After collecting all the ballots, the professor inform the students that
Candidate "A" is a composite of the "founding fathers" (e.g., Sam Adams,
John Hancock, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Patrick Henry, etc.,
etc.) while Candidate "B" is Adolph Hitler (see Robert Proctor's book, THE
NAZI WAR ON CANCER).

An interesting follow-up occurred in one of these classes last year. In
the "commerce clause" segment of constitutional law, the students were
discussing the Schechter case - in which the Supreme Court struck down the
New Deal's National Industrial Recovery Act. After describing this Act in
some detail, the professor went on to inform his students just how popular
state collectivism was throughout the world: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini,
and Franco and Roosevelt being the better known examples; and of how
Hitler and Mussolini had been revered by many renowned people throughout
the world, including Gandhi, Churchill, etc., etc. At this point, one
student interrupted: "I don't see how you can say that. How could a man
like Adolph Hitler have been popular with so many people?"

The professor leaned over the podium and responded:

"You tell me: just two weeks ago 78% of you in this class voted for him!"

As my philosophy professors would often claim, lawyers are irrational by nature as the endeavor of law is by nature irrational. Regarding getting things turned around in this nation, we need to establish that fact.
 
ya might want to add that Candidate B brought unemployment down from 33% to just 2% in only three years. He did this by slashing taxes, ending government waste, abolishing "The Fed" , and issuing interest free currency. Candidate B was also the ONLY world leader of the 20th century to successfully defy the New World Order mafia (at least for 12 years)

just sayin
 
He's basically saying: Just because someone sounds good, it doesn't mean they are. I wish people had this same thought when listening to the typical politician of today.

Indeed, this is why the majority never benefits from the electoral process, but by way of the American Movement. We have never benefitted from those who are better than us, but from those converted over to our side who are better than us.
 
The professor has a sense of humor.

I think he's trying to illustrate to his students that a fascist can sound popular.

Hitler's party won many seats on the back of the depression and the president was talked into making him Chancellor in a coalition government.

Indeed, during that time in Germany, it took a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread. So one would assume it took a tractor trailer load to buy a wheelbarrow and a ship load to but a tractor trailer. It is so bad today . . . (how bad is it?), well, at times, I actually think the wrong sides won World War II. Seems afterwards all the bad guys were the ones who made good products while all the good guys made bad.
 
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Hitler Wins Again

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Well, in spite of our resident Hitler-lover giving him praise above, we all know Hitler was a royal pain in the ass, and we're better off for having squashed his regime before it bugged us any more.

That said, there's some useful stuff in this thread. Whenever someone poses the 'should government do ____?' question this is good stuff to toss into the conversation. You'll hear, 'But so-and-so isn't Hitler.' Your response should be, 'But (Dick Cheney or Nancy Pelosi, depending on your audience) could be elected to replace that person. Can he/she be trusted not to abuse that power?'

We have principles to sell. This is how to sell them.
 
the ability of slick PR to convert negatives into positives is at the core of the question posed to those law students in the professor's class.

the increasing marginalization of dissenters and critics by today's mass media further drives home how much of a risk the sons of liberty took.
 
what if FDR wore all his emotions on his sleave but the Nazi dictator was very good
at hiding his Mr. Hyde given that his Dr. Jeckyl was often very good at being trendy
 
i do feel i must apologize to "sofia" for the ban that lasted about a year
that kept threads like this away from the press contingent that followed
about the major candidates. even a hardcore slam on a nazi sometimes
gives nazism more press than the movement deserves. stalin also was
very well organized, yet had this regrettable tendency to have people
genocidally murdered. the forums had to "tidy up" even when the odds
were one in ten or one in five on Dr. Ron Paul getting his 1145 delegates.
admin + the mods tried to maximize the good doctor's chances. sofia had
to sit this one out on the sidelines while we all hashed over the campaign.
 
Well, in spite of our resident Hitler-lover giving him praise above, we all know Hitler was a royal pain in the ass, and we're better off for having squashed his regime before it bugged us any more.

That said, there's some useful stuff in this thread. Whenever someone poses the 'should government do ____?' question this is good stuff to toss into the conversation. You'll hear, 'But so-and-so isn't Hitler.' Your response should be, 'But (Dick Cheney or Nancy Pelosi, depending on your audience) could be elected to replace that person. Can he/she be trusted not to abuse that power?'

We have principles to sell. This is how to sell them.
Uh, no. It was stupid and unnecessary for Americans to get involved. The Soviets did the hard part and deserve the vast majority of credit for defeating the German forces. Another thing-if the US and Britain hadn't gotten into that mess, the Soviets and Germans would've fought to the end (Hitler was obsessed with "Judeo-Bolshevism"). It's highly unlikely that the German forces would've won considering the poor decisions by Hitler on down the command chain and the devastating terrain in East Europe. (the Germans failed to learn the lessons of Napoleon's epic fail in Russia).
 
It is set up to encourage people to vote for "B" over "A". The results should not be a surprise at all. Line up the best of one candidate against the worst of the other and people will choose the best.

Hitler was elected. And was hugely popular.

And have you observed elections in this country lately?
 
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