Hillary Clinton Will Lose to Donald Trump

[hankrichter12]

Someone posted this . . .

but they'd have to pay attention maybe too carerfully in their denial state of saying dumb chit.

Still dumbfounded ?

Yeah, not sitting through an hour and a half of Hillary, sorry, try again.

 

[Jan2017]

What does that have to do with anything in this discussion?

Yeah, not sitting through an hour and a half of Hillary, sorry, try again.

Try a few minutes . . . but dat's ok -
you can still keep posting dumb chit anyway. No one should challenge ya' too much on such poor logic in everything.

 

[rg17]

We don't know what going to happen yet! Trump may win or lose the election.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

I'm afarid Hillary will not be able to beat Trump. Hillary due to her expeirences with wars like Iraq/Syria/Benghazi etc might have some combative skills and might know who to play dirty thanks to her associatons to DGP & Billy but my fear is that Trumster will play much more dirtier and will come out on top.

Trump to feature Bill Clinton's victims in TV spots

 

[acptulsa]

I'm afarid... expeirences... who to play dirty ...much more dirtier...

I'm sure your observations will receive all the attention they deserve.

 

[alucard13mm]

Women are often emotional and have socialistic tendencies. Of course they are less likely to vote repub or trump. But i suppose trump can tap into their emotions since thats what trump is.

Same reason why ron and rand does poorly with women. They want to make government smaller, which in the womens head, means they dont want to help poor people.

 

[A. Havnes]

Everyone, when push comes to shove, will follow strength, Hillary cannot butt heads with Trump, if she tries the "I'm a poor little girl" it might play well with some nutty fems, but for the average joe they will revert to natural instincts and a big chill will go down their spine.

Leftist always promote "equality" yet the wealthier one's have males for their bodyguards, secret service, etc and even the poorer ones, if they hear a bump in the night and a 5'4" 110pd female officer shows up to check, they're like "WTF, get me a male cop, and preferably the biggest meanest male cop on the force!".

You have some issues you need to work on there, Hank. Aside from your attitude, though, I don't think your basic argument holds water. Strength comes in many different forms, and Trump isn't as strong as you seem to think. Moreover, a lot of people will be casting anti-Trump votes specifically, and unfortunately they won't be going to the likes of Gary Johnson or any other third-party candidates.

Hillary doesn't often play the I'm-a-poor-little-girl card, and she'll be promoting her strengths as a politician with experience, whereas Trump comes across as an insecure billionaire with no political experience. There are, unfortunately, a large number of voters who see Hillary as being politically much stronger than Trump, and often his particular brand of crazy makes him appear much weaker than he probably is.

Regardless of whether it comes to down Trump vs Hillary or Trump vs Bernie, a lot of people will be casting anti-Bernie, anti-Hillary, and anti-Trump votes. When you have an election with such terrible candidates across the board, this is what people will be doing, not rushing to Trump because he's a man and a big talker. You'll have people who see Trump as strong, Bernie as strong, and Hillary as strong, but most people will probably be casting anti-candidate votes this election.

 

[4RandPaul]

this is a no brainer

 

[hankrichter12]

You have some issues you need to work on there, Hank. Aside from your attitude, though, I don't think your basic argument holds water. Strength comes in many different forms, and Trump isn't as strong as you seem to think. Moreover, a lot of people will be casting anti-Trump votes specifically, and unfortunately they won't be going to the likes of Gary Johnson or any other third-party candidates.

Hillary doesn't often play the I'm-a-poor-little-girl card, and she'll be promoting her strengths as a politician with experience, whereas Trump comes across as an insecure billionaire with no political experience. There are, unfortunately, a large number of voters who see Hillary as being politically much stronger than Trump, and often his particular brand of crazy makes him appear much weaker than he probably is.

Regardless of whether it comes to down Trump vs Hillary or Trump vs Bernie, a lot of people will be casting anti-Bernie, anti-Hillary, and anti-Trump votes. When you have an election with such terrible candidates across the board, this is what people will be doing, not rushing to Trump because he's a man and a big talker. You'll have people who see Trump as strong, Bernie as strong, and Hillary as strong, but most people will probably be casting anti-candidate votes this election.

In case you haven't noticed, voters aren't looking for "political experience", that is what they don't want. I'd love to know what "accomplishments" Hillary has other than spreading her legs for Bill and riding his wave.

She plays the "poor girl" thing all the time, any criticism of her and suddenly it's "sexism", just like everything was "racism" with Obama, even when Sanders said "I'm talking" after she rudely interrupted him they played the sexist card.

Trump has hammered deal with the toughest business men in the business, I think he can handle Hillary.

Ultimately, it's all speculation, we'll know in a few months.

 

[kpitcher]

Trump has hammered deal with the toughest business men in the business, I think he can handle Hillary.

Ultimately, it's all speculation, we'll know in a few months.

Examples of the hammered out deals?

Trump is a guy who was born into serious wealth who has an interesting cult of personality. However he's not a good businessman. If he had invested his money into an index fund would be worth 10 billion more. That seems to me to be a rather shitty businessman. He's also shafted so many contractors in the various corporate bankruptcies. Not a leader

http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/

 

[A. Havnes]

In case you haven't noticed, voters aren't looking for "political experience", that is what they don't want. I'd love to know what "accomplishments" Hillary has other than spreading her legs for Bill and riding his wave.

She plays the "poor girl" thing all the time, any criticism of her and suddenly it's "sexism", just like everything was "racism" with Obama, even when Sanders said "I'm talking" after she rudely interrupted him they played the sexist card.

Trump has hammered deal with the toughest business men in the business, I think he can handle Hillary.

Ultimately, it's all speculation, we'll know in a few months.

There are, indeed, a number of people not looking for political experience, as this election is about the cult of personality and has turned into a reality TV show instead of an actual race. However, Trump is still not any stronger than Hillary. Trump is a terrible businessman who mostly whines and throws tantrums until he gets his way. This is the guy who sued an architect for criticizing Trump Tower as a form of harassment! I'd argue the man is too emotional to be POTUS, and his narcissism doesn't do him any favor either, but there is a strong group of supporters who still like him despite his poor track record.

As far as Hillary goes, as far as I know (and I honestly haven't been paying a lot of attention to her this election), isn't the one crying about sexism, it's the media. Sometimes it's warranted, just as sometimes the racism charges were warranted in Obama's case, and sometimes it's not. It's still not a reason to automatically assume that Hillary is a weak force in the election, just as charging anti-Obama people as being racist didn't mean Obama was a weak politician. Ultimately, they all have their own appeal, although I guess I don't see it.

I'm pretty sure Trump will win, albeit not the same reasons you seem to think so. The biggest threat to him would be either Hillary or Bernie owning him in debate and showing off just what a thin-skinned crybaby Trump actually is. This is the guy who throws criticism at everyone but has no idea how to properly handle it when it's thrown at him, and I don't think that particular personality trait is going to do him any favors.

Time will tell. Both Hillary and Trump have baggage that they can't just shrug off, and it's going to be a hard one to predict.

 

[hankrichter12]

Examples of the hammered out deals?

Trump is a guy who was born into serious wealth who has an interesting cult of personality. However he's not a good businessman. If he had invested his money into an index fund would be worth 10 billion more. That seems to me to be a rather $#@!ty businessman. He's also shafted so many contractors in the various corporate bankruptcies. Not a leader

http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/

He started off with a loan for 1 million dollars, that is hardly serious wealth. He turned it into 10billion. By the time his father died and he inherited that he was already a billionaire. I think he's had something like 12 business failures out of something around 500...not bad.

In 1974, Trump brokered a deal with Penn Central Railroad to purchase one of their distressed assets, the Commodore Hotel. He paid $130 million to buy and renovate the hotel.

After six years of construction, the hotel reopened in November, 1980, as the Grand Hyatt. One of Trump's better gambles, the 34-story building featured a new façade of shimmering glass, reflecting the image of Grand Central Terminal next door.


To do this, Trump Tower needed to be taller than its neighbors, presenting a unique challenge. One of the major obstacles for getting the project off the ground was air rights. Air rights determine the maximum height of a building, and Trump had secured enough to construct a 48-story skyscraper, but he wanted more. He turned to his next-door neighbor, Tiffany & Co., and compelled them to sell their unused air rights for $5 million, allowing him to add 20 stories.



In May 1986, Trump criticized New York City’s ongoing efforts to renovate Wollman Rink, a popular ice skating spot in Central Park. Disgusted by the city’s inefficient use of time and resources, he contacted Mayor Ed Koch and offered to complete the renovation for $3 million dollars.

Initially, Koch balked, but after the media ran the story, the mayor agreed to let Trump take the reins.

Construction began in July, 1986. Four months later, Trump finished the project on time and $750,000 under budget. On Nov. 13, 1986, with standard Trump fanfare, Wollman Rink reopened and remains one of Trump's key contributions to the city.

There are, indeed, a number of people not looking for political experience, as this election is about the cult of personality and has turned into a reality TV show instead of an actual race. However, Trump is still not any stronger than Hillary. Trump is a terrible businessman who mostly whines and throws tantrums until he gets his way. This is the guy who sued an architect for criticizing Trump Tower as a form of harassment! I'd argue the man is too emotional to be POTUS, and his narcissism doesn't do him any favor either, but there is a strong group of supporters who still like him despite his poor track record.

As far as Hillary goes, as far as I know (and I honestly haven't been paying a lot of attention to her this election), isn't the one crying about sexism, it's the media. Sometimes it's warranted, just as sometimes the racism charges were warranted in Obama's case, and sometimes it's not. It's still not a reason to automatically assume that Hillary is a weak force in the election, just as charging anti-Obama people as being racist didn't mean Obama was a weak politician. Ultimately, they all have their own appeal, although I guess I don't see it.

I'm pretty sure Trump will win, albeit not the same reasons you seem to think so. The biggest threat to him would be either Hillary or Bernie owning him in debate and showing off just what a thin-skinned crybaby Trump actually is. This is the guy who throws criticism at everyone but has no idea how to properly handle it when it's thrown at him, and I don't think that particular personality trait is going to do him any favors.

Time will tell. Both Hillary and Trump have baggage that they can't just shrug off, and it's going to be a hard one to predict.

I don't care for his temper tantrums either, it'd be nice if he'd use some of those billions and get some coaching in that department, but I have seen him be professional when he has to be.

 

[kpitcher]

I can't seem to find any timeline of Trump's financial history, there are many variations with figures all over the place. It goes from a few hundred thousand to 200 million in '74. Then more when his dad died. It appears that out of college he was President of his father's real estate company for 12 years.
So this still strikes me as being born with a silver spoon. Not that this is anything new in politics.

Those were some interesting business deals you posted, it's nice to know he's not a total blowhard.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Bullcrap. Once Hillary is coronated, the media will pull out all the stops for her. Bimbos and bad business deals will come out of the woodwork for Trump and every day the low information voters will be pummeled with the opportunity to elect the first female president.

Bimbos will only speak to size. :o

 

[Origanalist]

Bimbos will only speak to size. :o

Money and fame will buy you all the bimbos in the world.

 

[RJ Liberty]

Bullcrap. Once Hillary is coronated, the media will pull out all the stops for her. Bimbos and bad business deals will come out of the woodwork for Trump and every day the low information voters will be pummeled with the opportunity to elect the first female president.

Yep. But I'd add: Drumpf's ties to organized crime will become widely reported in the media.

 

[Anti Federalist]

A republican losing NY state in the general?

This is news?

NY hasn't voted GOP in the presidential race in over 30 years.

Pretty much one party rule there now.

 

[openfire]

Yep. But I'd add: Drumpf's ties to organized crime will become widely reported in the media.

First sentence of the linked article:

If Donald Trump wants to be a serious candidate for president, we deserve to know more about his business with mass murderers whose plunder of public and private funds added up to billions.

As opposed to the current mafia in power who have directly murdered tens of millions, and whose plunder of public and private funds adds up to trillions.

But, but,.. Trump may have had some business dealings with people who may have...

Are people really this stupid?

 

[RJ Liberty]

First sentence of the linked article:



As opposed to the current mafia in power who have directly murdered tens of millions, and whose plunder of public and private funds adds up to trillions.

But, but,.. Trump may have had some business dealings with people who may have...

Are people really this stupid?

You've turned my comment into a straw man: "But, but,.. Trump may have had some business dealings with people who may have... If you read the whole article, you will already know that Trump did indeed have business dealings with the mafia. From the article: "Trump’s association and business dealings with known mafia figures was not limited to his Atlantic City projects." Either you didn't read the full article, or you decided to create a straw man anyway.

Drumpf's links with the Mafia are sure to come up in a big way in the general election; the press will absolutely cover it.

If it's no big deal to you that Drumpf has business ties with the Mafia, I have to shake my head in wonder. The only reason the Mafia hasn't slaughtered the "tens of millions" you mention is because they don't have the opportunity. Putting someone in office with close ties to organized crime is a bad, bad idea, and it's sad you can't see that.

 

[thoughtomator]

You've turned my comment into a straw man: "But, but,.. Trump may have had some business dealings with people who may have... If you read the whole article, you will already know that Trump did indeed have business dealings with the mafia. From the article: "Trump’s association and business dealings with known mafia figures was not limited to his Atlantic City projects." Either you didn't read the full article, or you decided to create a straw man anyway.

Drumpf's links with the Mafia are sure to come up in a big way in the general election; the press will absolutely cover it.

If it's no big deal to you that Drumpf has business ties with the Mafia, I have to shake my head in wonder. The only reason the Mafia hasn't slaughtered the "tens of millions" you mention is because they don't have the opportunity. Putting someone in office with close ties to organized crime is a bad, bad idea, and it's sad you can't see that.

Hillary IS organized crime. "Close ties" is pee-wee league compared to her Major League World Series MVP performance in the field to date.