Hillary Clinton Will Lose to Donald Trump

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Donald Trump is going to be the next president of the United States, and he will have the Democratic National Committee to thank for it. Much has been made of the “math” of the Democratic nomination, and how it favors Hillary Clinton—in large part due to her huge lead in unpledged “superdelegates.” But for a moment, let’s set aside the math of the Democratic primary, and look at the big picture: What matters for the general election is who can win swing states and ensure high voter turnout and enthusiasm in solidly blue states. In this regard, Bernie Sanders is clearly the more electable candidate.

Swing States, Blue States

The 10 closest races in 2012 were in Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota, Iowa, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Florida, Ohio, Virginia and North Carolina. 8 of these have voted so far in primary contests. Of these, Sanders decisively won 3 (New Hampshire, Colorado, Minnesota), and Clinton as well (Virginia, Florida, Ohio)–and they virtually tied in 2 others (Sanders narrowly losing Nevada and Iowa). So in terms of swing states, it’s a toss up.

As for solidly-blue states, only five have voted so far, but the outcome is clear: Bernie Sanders decisively won Vermont and Maine, pulled a huge upset in Michigan, and virtually tied Hillary Clinton in Massachusetts and Illinois. Clinton has not decisively won even one single solidly-blue state. Instead, virtually all of her pledged delegate lead comes from handily winning in solidly red states which she (or any Democrat) would be highly-unlikely to win in a general election. But even this pledged delegate lead will likely be closed as the contest heads to bluer states.

Hillary Clinton’s main advantage with regards to winning the nomination is not public preference to her as a candidate, but instead, due to unelected superdelegates whose purpose, according to DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is to suppress grassroots candidates in favor of the establishment choice. And it looks like they will have their way: as a result of the superdelegates voting almost unanimously for Hillary Clinton, often in clear defiance of the popular will of their states, the math does indeed look bleak for Bernie Sanders to win the Democratic nomination.

The constant presentation of these numbers (superdelegate votes almost always included in media analyses of the race) reinforces the notion that Clinton is the more electable candidate, and pushes many into her camp as the best choice against the Republicans; this further expands her lead and reifies the perceived electability disparity, ad nauseam. Hence the narrative that Bernie Sanders is the ideological candidate who inspires, and Hillary the pragmatist who can win. In reality, Bernie is both. However, barring a major grassroots revolt, Hillary Clinton will seize the nomination. And she will lose to Donald Trump.

Polling Doesn’t Matter

I know, here people are going to say “Look at the polls! They show Hillary winning against Trump!” But there are three big issues here:

First, polling several months prior to a race is not terribly predictive in general.

Second, Trump has consistently confounded polls and projections that predicted he could never win (ditto for Sanders, for that matter). Ceteris paribus, there is no reason to believe these dynamics would fundamentally change in the general election: Trump has been antifragile—rising ever-higher despite (in many respects because of) scandals and gaffes that would have ruined most campaigns. The ridiculous amounts of money being spent on negative ads against him in critical states seem to be totally wasted.

Third, there are currently six candidates in the race, and the hope that another candidate may ultimately win the nomination affects how people perceive theoretical head-to-head matchups. When the only possible candidates are Trump v. Clinton, the public is going to break towards Trump.

Here’s why:

Delegate Map, Clinton v. Trump

Again, what matters in a general election is who wins swing states and who turns out their base. So let’s see how things look in a head-to-head between Clinton and Trump:

Remember the majority of swing states that Hillary has either decisively lost or tied in? Six of these have voted on the Republican side, and Trump handily won half of them (New Hampshire, Nevada, Florida). Trump also carried all of the swing states that Clinton won in except Ohio–and in that case, he nearly defeated a sitting governor with an active campaign infrastructure still intact from his recent re-election. Kasich only managed to pull off a victory at the 11th hour, after Rubio instructed his voters to vote for the governor instead. In Florida Trump managed a landslide victory over Rubio on his own turf in the process and secured an endorsement from current Florida Governor Rick Scott. As for the solidly-red southern states that comprise most of Clinton’s pledged delegate lead–guess who carried all of these rather decisively on the Republican side, and often with record turnout? That’s right, Donald Trump.

That is, Trump is likely to decisively beat Clinton in virtually all of the states that she has performed strongly in so far, and seems poised to win many of the states she lost as well. This leaves her relying heavily on the solidly blue states, which overwhelmingly voted against her in the primaries, suggesting that enthusiasm will not be high with her base. Forget national polling. When one takes a sober look at the electoral map—at who can turn out their base in solidly partisan states and appeal in swing states, based on how the primaries have turned out thus far, the edge is cleanly with Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.

But it gets worse:

Trump has a large and passionate base. And while many Republicans are not comfortable with Trump, they passionately hate Hillary Clinton–and faced with such a stark choice, most would vote for Trump if only to deny Clinton the White House. Reports of Republican elites who say they’d vote for Hillary over Trump are more-or-less meaningless in terms of indicating how most voters will perform: the entire Trump phenomena is a testament to how far out of touch these party elites are with their voting base (meanwhile, endorsements of Hillary Clinton by prominent neocons would only further alienate her from the Democratic base). Make no mistake: Republicans will rally around Trump (or against Clinton), and they will turn out in large numbers to do so.

The same cannot be said on the other side:

A large number of Democrats cannot bring themselves to vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances—and while many of these are unlikely to vote for Trump, they may well stay home on Election Day. Already, in the primaries so far, Republican turnout has been far outstripping that of Democrats. If this holds up in the general (or gets worse), it would be damning for Clinton’s candidacy: Democrats rely heavily on uncharacteristically-large left-leaning turnout in presidential election years to win national races. Absent this, they stand no chance–particularly in light of the advantage Trump already seems to have in swing states and with his base.

But the reality of the matter is that many Sanders supporters will not only abstain, they will actually vote for Trump if Hillary wins the nomination. For some, it would be a vote to punish the DNC for its anti-Democratic coronation of Clinton (via the superdelegates). For others, it’d be a nihilistic act: an attempt to burn down the establishment, or to give America “the candidate it deserves.”

But from exit polling we know that many others, particularly in swing states with open primaries, were legitimately torn between Sanders and Trump as the best candidate to direct their anti-establishment sentiment. And if Sanders loses the Democratic nomination, those who voted for him for this reason would not turn around and vote for someone like Hillary Clinton in a general election—they would vote for Trump. And to top it all off, there are a number of other Democrats who staunchly support the Donald over all the other candidates regardless–in fact, they are an important component of his support base.

All of this bodes ill for Hillary Clinton in a general election.

Why Clinton Can’t Win


Sanders is dominating the blue states and swing states. Trump is dominating the red states and swing states. The takeaway should be clear: the American people in general, and particularly the states that will decide this election, do not want an establishment candidate. A Trump v. Clinton race could play out much like Ronald Reagan v. Bush Sr., Carter and Mondale (and very nearly,Ford): races where people with the “right” resumes failed to connect with the public–losing handily to a contender who seemed far less qualified or competent, and perhaps even dangerous, but who really “got” the times and what people are looking for in that moment.

Bernie Sanders can beat Donald Trump, possibly taking the House and Senate with him. Hillary Clinton can do none of these things. Polls be damned: if Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, Donald Trump will win the presidency. Count on it.

Postscipt

For those unconvinced by my arguments here, there’s another well-known model with a strong predictive track record that forecasts a 97% chance of Hillary losing to Trump. Again, Clinton has been under-performing and Trump over-performing relative to most polls and projections, so there is no reason to believe that Clinton would pull a major upset there. While Norpath’s model projects Sanders would also lose, there would be greater reason for skepticism on this prediction if Sanders actually won the nomination because so many dynamics would be thrown out of their usual balance. Again, Sanders, like Trump, has been defying models and predictions in a good way.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/18/hillary-clinton-will-lose-to-donald-trump/
 
Bullcrap. Once Hillary is coronated, the media will pull out all the stops for her. Bimbos and bad business deals will come out of the woodwork for Trump and every day the low information voters will be pummeled with the opportunity to elect the first female president.
 
Bullcrap. Once Hillary is coronated, the media will pull out all the stops for her. Bimbos and bad business deals will come out of the woodwork for Trump..

How's that been working out for them so far?
 
I worry, EDIT can't finish typing this... interruptions, sorry

As far as votes go, Trump will likely get the majority votes by
a yuuuge margin, ESPECIALLY after getting bashed about by the
MSM and BOTH of the political parties. He is very popular with the
great unwashed! They are tired of not having a voice and/or solution
to their plight. It covers all skin colors and flavors of Americans
including those here legally and illegally especially those who need
to work two or three jobs and/or can't find work. They like Trump
unless they ONLY listen to the MSM bad-talk sound bites about Trump
and have not listened to the Trump speak his street talk
in full context.

Many like Trump, except those on the take, on the payroll, especially
anywhere working in the government, the contractors, the MSM
gatekeepers, etc. That last group would like to maintain the
status quo, like... forever. Hillary is there best bet.

Those elites in power don't like the uncontrolled outsider aspect,
they feel threatened and that might even become fatal.
(CIA heart attack?)

One way or the other, I'm not sure about the prospect of the insiders
allowing his election proceed and letting him actually become POTUS...

I'd like to see him in office - he's smart enough to find another way to make
'merika great again. But forcing Apple or Carrier to try to sell $6,000
iPhones and $1,200 Freon free window air conditioners (MADE IN AMERICA)
might just put them ALL out of business. The physical location of the
MFR is not the source of the problem Trump is talking about solving.
with a move...

Why not address the reason companies moved out of the USA in the
first place? (high wages, laws/regulation, energy cost, taxes?)

That, COMBINED with no jobs/income for people to afford to buy the
products (even if sold at cost), is the strain the masses think he is
somehow going to address and cure for them!

Then, the inevitable price fixing, bailouts and FIAT/inflation
"solutions" will be deeply flawed too. It is a warning flag when
the words "interest on the debt" or wasteful spending is on the
"taxpayers back" or "pay banks interest on bad loans". We are
talkin' about money printed out of thin air folks! Trump does
not address that or an alternate solution...

He might try to take over the means of production. Make that "plank",
a new campaign promise and he might get even more votes from
the 'uber left.

I like Trump, but tremble over the mess he will discover. IMO, it has no solution.
 
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Bullcrap. Once Hillary is coronated, the media will pull out all the stops for her. Bimbos and bad business deals will come out of the woodwork for Trump and every day the low information voters will be pummeled with the opportunity to elect the first female president.

How's that been working out for them so far?

This is not their first time at the rodeo. They'll hold the big guns for the general.
 
Make no mistake: Republicans will rally around Trump (or against Clinton), and they will turn out in large numbers to do so.

The same cannot be said on the other side:

Yes, yes it can. Trump is a widely despised figure. Millions of people who don't usually vote will turn out just to vote against Trump. Especially Hispanic voters.
 
She has to lose. The establishment will freak out and over step their position. Just wish the people of this country actually would take to the streets.
 
Trump can't handle simple civic disobedience at rallys very presidential, but he is elegant and so powerful,
but then why would he still need to try an ice pick on Rand in Kentucky before the caucus that Rand is not in ?
Over the last few weeks, Duhnald has displayed far too poor of judgement to ever be near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue from now on.
Anti-establishment is only a front.

Got math ?


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Everyone, when push comes to shove, will follow strength, Hillary cannot butt heads with Trump, if she tries the "I'm a poor little girl" it might play well with some nutty fems, but for the average joe they will revert to natural instincts and a big chill will go down their spine.

Leftist always promote "equality" yet the wealthier one's have males for their bodyguards, secret service, etc and even the poorer ones, if they hear a bump in the night and a 5'4" 110pd female officer shows up to check, they're like "WTF, get me a male cop, and preferably the biggest meanest male cop on the force!".
 
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Trump might win back Florida, but NY always was in the master plan . . . but the trumpettes here on RPF might be surprised - or in the denial stage


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