High-quality, low-cost precision rifle rig

[GunnyFreedom]

What does this all mean? I get the general concept of MOA and how you can adjust your scope to varying distances by clicking it, but what you are talking about is some sort of iron sight adjustment? Is this feature only on M16s and not commonly found on AR15s?

Just trying to understand. Thanks!

ALSO - scopes are normally 1/4 MOA per click. There are scopes that are different, but that is the NORMAL scope, 1/4 MOA per click.

1 MOA = 1" at 100 yards precisely. 1MOA = 2" at 200 yards precisely. 1MOA = 3" at 300 yards precisely and so on.

1MOA = 8" at 800 yards. 12" at 1200 yards. 29" at 2900 yards etc. 283 inches at 28,300 yards. Precisely.

 

[AFPVet]

Yeah, so glad that such batteries will be easy to come by in the PAW.

Actually, I've been thinking about putting a regular old glass non-electric 2x7 scope on the AR. 2x shouldn't hamper acquisition very much at near ranges, and 7x is more than enough at 500 yards. But my eyes aren't what they used to be, and I'm starting to drop rounds pretty bad at 500.

I do have a big bag of those little watch batteries for my M68... should last awhile

There ya go. Those old scopes are cheap and you don't have batteries to change

 

[jllundqu]

I've got to go with the Remmy 700 here...

Great quality, out of the box accuracy, rugged and customizable...trigger issues notwithstanding

For under a grand, you can have the 700 in .308, 30-06, 300 Win Mag, with scope and trimmings.... definitely my pick for the long gun. Mind you my max range to shoot at is 500 yards. I can hit much deeper than that, but it makes no sense whatsoever to practice out to more than 500 unless you are a trained sniper. I hunt, so 500 yrds is the absolute MAX I will shoot a live target. My sweet spot is -300. Anything out to 1000 yards or more is just a cruel game of pinball...

 

[tod evans]

Where are you hunting? Here in the sticks 100 yards is actually a long shot and most deer are taken under 30..

I've got to go with the Remmy 700 here...

Great quality, out of the box accuracy, rugged and customizable...trigger issues notwithstanding

For under a grand, you can have the 700 in .308, 30-06, 300 Win Mag, with scope and trimmings.... definitely my pick for the long gun. Mind you my max range to shoot at is 500 yards. I can hit much deeper than that, but it makes no sense whatsoever to practice out to more than 500 unless you are a trained sniper. I hunt, so 500 yrds is the absolute MAX I will shoot a live target. My sweet spot is -300. Anything out to 1000 yards or more is just a cruel game of pinball...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Where are you hunting? Here in the sticks 100 yards is actually a long shot and most deer are taken under 30..

Well, that's really anywhere where there is an abundance of trees. You will never make 500yd unless you are in massive clearings/plains like middle America "flyover country."

I think in Montana/Wyoming there is the potential for 500yd shots on things like elk/caribou but you have to be crazy good at that range. Well, with a scope I can do 6-7" at 500yd so I can just barely make a 500 yd elk/caribou shot.

But around HERE? Yeah...no. 100yd is as far as you get. too many trees in the way to get any further. I can do 3" at 100yd on irons so I don't actually need a scope to...hunt...around these parts. At 30yd like you say I am around 1 inch groups so I wouldn't even have to chase a wounded animal because the head shot would be most reliable.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I've got to go with the Remmy 700 here...

Great quality, out of the box accuracy, rugged and customizable...trigger issues notwithstanding

For under a grand, you can have the 700 in .308, 30-06, 300 Win Mag, with scope and trimmings.... definitely my pick for the long gun. Mind you my max range to shoot at is 500 yards. I can hit much deeper than that, but it makes no sense whatsoever to practice out to more than 500 unless you are a trained sniper. I hunt, so 500 yrds is the absolute MAX I will shoot a live target. My sweet spot is -300. Anything out to 1000 yards or more is just a cruel game of pinball...

My pride and joy is my Remmy 721 bolty in .30-06

rested I can get sub 1" at 100 yd. unsupported however I am more like 3.5" at 100 yd.

for everyone practicing marksmanship, bear in mind that in a PAW situation you won't have a bench rest. Better dial in your unsupported positions.

 

[klamath]

Well, that's really anywhere where there is an abundance of trees. You will never make 500yd unless you are in massive clearings/plains like middle America "flyover country."

I think in Montana/Wyoming there is the potential for 500yd shots on things like elk/caribou but you have to be crazy good at that range. Well, with a scope I can do 6-7" at 500yd so I can just barely make a 500 yd elk/caribou shot.

But around HERE? Yeah...no. 100yd is as far as you get. too many trees in the way to get any further. I can do 3" at 100yd on irons so I don't actually need a scope to...hunt...around these parts. At 30yd like you say I am around 1 inch groups so I wouldn't even have to chase a wounded animal because the head shot would be most reliable.

Check out some of the videos on this site Gunny. I believe one of the bears was taken a 750 yrds. It isn't hype as I have seen the full length videos as I have a special inside deal to get the videos and I have hiked a lot of the mountains there with Sean.
http://www.mthuntingguide.com/successstories.htm

 

[tod evans]

I've had this fasination with big-bore pellet rifles for the last couple of years...haven't got one but am definitely interested, almost zero cost to shoot=free groceries!

seen these? http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Dragon_Claw_Dual_Tank_Air_Rifle/2500

Well, that's really anywhere where there is an abundance of trees. You will never make 500yd unless you are in massive clearings/plains like middle America "flyover country."

I think in Montana/Wyoming there is the potential for 500yd shots on things like elk/caribou but you have to be crazy good at that range. Well, with a scope I can do 6-7" at 500yd so I can just barely make a 500 yd elk/caribou shot.

But around HERE? Yeah...no. 100yd is as far as you get. too many trees in the way to get any further. I can do 3" at 100yd on irons so I don't actually need a scope to...hunt...around these parts. At 30yd like you say I am around 1 inch groups so I wouldn't even have to chase a wounded animal because the head shot would be most reliable.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Check out some of the videos on this site Gunny. I believe one of the bears was taken a 750 yrds. It isn't hype as I have seen the full length videos as I have a special inside deal to get the videos and I have hiked a lot of the mountains there with Sean.
http://www.mthuntingguide.com/successstories.htm

Good stuff!

Tho I consider the 'portable bench rests' they like to use almost like cheating.

Well enough for hunting specifically to harvest food, but practice for survival in a SHTF PAW not so much. Combat firing you don't get much in the way of supported firing positions, much less bench rests.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I've had this fasination with big-bore pellet rifles for the last couple of years...haven't got one but am definitely interested, almost zero cost to shoot=free groceries!

seen these? http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Dragon_Claw_Dual_Tank_Air_Rifle/2500

Yikes! a .50 cal airgun! 679fps isn't bad, subsonic so quiet. I'd be interested in a grainweight and a ballistic coefficient so I could calculate ballistics out to ranges.

I like the idea of easily minted ammo. Any bulletmaker from the civil war would probably fabricate a good enough pellet. I also like the idea of the quiet operation. I'd be interested in the impact energy at 75 yards, which you could only figure with grainweight and ballistic coefficient.

 

[klamath]

Good stuff!

Tho I consider the 'portable bench rests' they like to use almost like cheating.

Well enough for hunting specifically to harvest food, but practice for survival in a SHTF PAW not so much. Combat firing you don't get much in the way of supported firing positions, much less bench rests.

Easy there... I made the tree mounted rifle rest Installs in 30 seconds. If you are reaching out 500-700 yards 30 seconds is a wise investment in time.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Easy there... I made the tree mounted rifle rest Installs in 30 seconds. If you are reaching out 500-700 yards 30 seconds is a wise investment in time.

I agree it's great for hunting. If you are hunting just for hunting sake I say go for it. if you are hunting to practice for combat, well then people don't move like critters. I'm all for a hasty bench rest when your only goal in hunting is taking food. I advise against bench rests when the goal of hunting is to practice for the ZA/PAW/SHTF. Closest thing to a bench you get in combat is a rucksack in the prone.

 

[osan]

Well, that's really anywhere where there is an abundance of trees. You will never make 500yd unless you are in massive clearings/plains like middle America "flyover country."

I think in Montana/Wyoming there is the potential for 500yd shots on things like elk/caribou but you have to be crazy good at that range. Well, with a scope I can do 6-7" at 500yd so I can just barely make a 500 yd elk/caribou shot.

But around HERE? Yeah...no. 100yd is as far as you get. too many trees in the way to get any further. I can do 3" at 100yd on irons so I don't actually need a scope to...hunt...around these parts. At 30yd like you say I am around 1 inch groups so I wouldn't even have to chase a wounded animal because the head shot would be most reliable.

I've always laughed when I have heard all the macho talk about the 800 yard shot "they" took a deer with. Consider the realities of this. Even if you are sufficient marksman, and I would say that by far most hunters are not even close, unless you drop the target where it stands, you are going to have a hell of a time finding it. I will add that it is irresponsible, not to mention cruel and disrespectful of life. Twenty, thirty... maybe fifty yards is what feels right to me. The day I take a 500 yard shot at dinner will be a day when starvation looms menacingly over my life and that of my family. That is what it would take for me to take such a shot.

Any long distance shooting I do has but two purposes: the sport aspect as one might find with bench shooting, and as training to drop human targets in the event the day ever comes. Nothing more. If I develop decent skills and the day comes my circumstance is sufficiently dire to drive me to shoot deer at such ranges, I will be grateful for the skill, but I would not take such shots under less severe conditions. My reverence for anything that lives and the moral position it places me into would preclude my ever taking such shots unless "forced". I have nothing to prove to anyone, nor do I find long range kills in any way impressive when taken under "normal" circumstances. These are therefore outside of my personally set boundaries of proper behavior. I begrudge nobody else the practice, though I confess the urge that rises within me to beat such people rather savagely about the head and shoulders with iron bars when they take such shots and succeed only in grotesquely maiming a creature that posed them no threat and deserved better treatment and consideration. I find such acts despicable in the fifth sigma.

Finally, some people tend to forget that when you romp 500 yards out to gather up your kill, after field dressing, you will likely have to drag or carry the carcass 1/4 mile back to where you took the shot, and perhaps further to get back to your vehicle. These little details appear to escape the less clued-in hunter.

 

[tod evans]

Always wanted to go prairie-dog shootin' just for the sport.....Never have.:o

I've always laughed when I have heard all the macho talk about the 800 yard shot "they" took a deer with. Consider the realities of this. Even if you are sufficient marksman, and I would say that by far most hunters are not even close, unless you drop the target where it stands, you are going to have a hell of a time finding it. I will add that it is irresponsible, not to mention cruel and disrespectful of life. Twenty, thirty... maybe fifty yards is what feels right to me. The day I take a 500 yard shot at dinner will be a day when starvation looms menacingly over my life and that of my family. That is what it would take for me to take such a shot.

Any long distance shooting I do has but two purposes: the sport aspect as one might find with bench shooting, and as training to drop human targets in the event the day ever comes. Nothing more. If I develop decent skills and the day comes my circumstance is sufficiently dire to drive me to shoot deer at such ranges, I will be grateful for the skill, but I would not take such shots under less severe conditions. My reverence for anything that lives and the moral position it places me into would preclude my ever taking such shots unless "forced". I have nothing to prove to anyone, nor do I find long range kills in any way impressive when taken under "normal" circumstances. These are therefore outside of my personally set boundaries of proper behavior. I begrudge nobody else the practice, though I confess the urge that rises within me to beat such people rather savagely about the head and shoulders with iron bars when they take such shots and succeed only in grotesquely maiming a creature that posed them no threat and deserved better treatment and consideration. I find such acts despicable in the fifth sigma.

Finally, some people tend to forget that when you romp 500 yards out to gather up your kill, after field dressing, you will likely have to drag or carry the carcass 1/4 mile back to where you took the shot, and perhaps further to get back to your vehicle. These little details appear to escape the less clued-in hunter.

 

[klamath]

It will be a cold day in hell before casually talk about taking a human target down at over 500 yards yet talk about feeling bad about taking a deer down at that range.

 

[JVParkour]

Thanks for the explanations! Very helpful. What is going on with the NC liberty people? I live in NC, so I am just curious.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Thanks for the explanations! Very helpful. What is going on with the NC liberty people? I live in NC, so I am just curious.

1) a 2013 convention route is in the works
2) a Citizens Constitutional Caucus is setting up (first meeting December 1) to advise the General Assembly on constitutionality of bills
3) Greg Brannon for US Senate 2014

(for starters)

Also, for liberty people near me, I am carving out a 200 yard rifle range to teach our people how to shoot rifles effectively.