Hidden Secrets of Money - Currency vs Money

Sure there are a lot of other factors that influence price, but they are usually temporary and they don't all trend in one direction like monetary inflation.
Again, the price of money is determined by the supply of money and the demand for money. Does this make sense? Do you disagree? If so, why?

You have to look at supply and demand. Both of which are not accurately predictable. Are you saying that demand is less important than supply? If so, why?

If the supply of beanie babies is increased greatly, then that could cause a fall in price, but if the demand for beanie babies goes way up also, then perhaps the price will not fall. Perhaps it will even rise. Do you agree? Those same laws of supply and demand that apply to everything else apply to money.

If these "theories" on massive deflation are correct, why hasn't there been any cases of major deflation in the entire history of fiat currencies?
Well, the US dollar experienced significant deflation during the decade of the 1930s. During that time, it was non-convertible. Was it totally fiat? No. But for a US citizen, it was, and it had certainly taken a big step in that direction. It was, maybe you could say, "halfway" fiat. Even now, there is gold in reserve which is "backing" the US dollar in some sense, so perhaps we still could not say it's 100% fiat in all senses. Anyway, it was fiat-ish in the 1930s in the sense that there really was nothing constraining the central bank from creating large amounts of new money out of thin air, and it's still fiat-ish today in the same way.

Also, the history of fiat currency is very short (since 1971?). Making predictions about brand new things is fraught with problems and peril.

Also, past performance is no guarantee of future results.

I'm leaning the other way. I'm afraid that the combination of enormous amounts of dollars being held by foreigners plus the fact that they can unload those dollars electronically, could result in massive hyperinflation.
I agree with that. It could. We just don't know that it will, and we especially do not know when. In my opinion, it is much better to have a diversified portfolio that will carry you through and protect your wealth whatever happens. Inflation, prosperity, recession, even depression or hyperinflation. Just betting everything on a near-future hyperinflation is foolish, in my opinion, unless you can afford to lose the money that you're betting and understand the risks.
 
Again, the price of money is determined by the supply of money and the demand for money. Does this make sense? Do you disagree? If so, why?

You have to look at supply and demand. Both of which are not accurately predictable. Are you saying that demand is less important than supply? If so, why?

If the supply of beanie babies is increased greatly, then that could cause a fall in price, but if the demand for beanie babies goes way up also, then perhaps the price will not fall. Perhaps it will even rise. Do you agree? Those same laws of supply and demand that apply to everything else apply to money.

Well, the US dollar experienced significant deflation during the decade of the 1930s. During that time, it was non-convertible. Was it totally fiat? No. But for a US citizen, it was, and it had certainly taken a big step in that direction. It was, maybe you could say, "halfway" fiat. Even now, there is gold in reserve which is "backing" the US dollar in some sense, so perhaps we still could not say it's 100% fiat in all senses. Anyway, it was fiat-ish in the 1930s in the sense that there really was nothing constraining the central bank from creating large amounts of new money out of thin air, and it's still fiat-ish today in the same way.

Also, the history of fiat currency is very short (since 1971?). Making predictions about brand new things is fraught with problems and peril.


I think you are missing my point. Let me try again. There are many forces (supply and demand) that can cause a currency to increase or decrease in value. We have set in motion a HUGE, PERMANENT force to lower the value of the dollar by printing tons of them. What are the odds that some other HUGE, PERMANENT force is going to arise to offset the downward force of the money printing?

Let me rephrase my question about fiat currencies never deflating. When has any currency that has its monetary base expanded by alot, ever deflated? In other words, when has printing money ever led to deflation? I suppose you could say the dollar was a fiat currency back in the 1930s but we didn't expand the monetary base.

Fiat currencies have been around for thousands of years:

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/08/average-life-expectancy-for-fiat.html

http://www.caseyresearch.com/editorial.php?page=articles/thousand-pictures-worth-one-word
 
Once again on definitions- monetary base is cash plus excess bank reserves. Excess reserves have really only existed during this crisis so before 2008, monetary base was cash. Cash has always grown so the monetary base has always grown.

The excess reserves portion is money not circulating- not actually in the money supply effecting prices. It needs to circulate and compete with other dollars being swapped for goods and services. Money leaving excess reserves does increase the circulating money which can impact price inflation but how much depends on how much of the reserves get released how quickly. It isn't automatic that doubling the monetary base leads to doubling prices or price inflation. If the circulating money supply grows slowly, price inflation will be lower (all other factors being equal). If the supply of circulating money increases sharply in a short period of time, price inflation will likely be higher.

So once again, the impact of the excess reserves on prices depends very much on how quickly those reserves go into circulation (how much the circulating money increases)- not their current size of the reserves. If it takes ten years, it won't have much impact on prices. If it happens in a few months, it will have a big impact on price inflation. As reserves, it is only POTENTIAL money.

Let's take the other side- if the monetary base rising means inflation should be rising, then lowering the monetary base should mean lower price inflation. However, it is the lowering of the base (and the release of that money) which could potentially cause price inflation so a smaller base COULD mean higher prices. And once again, it is the speed of that release which would be the important thing. It is not the existance or the size of the monetary base which matters but the amount of money CIRCULATING and how quickly that changes which matters. That money could come from many places- from the Excess Reserves or people spending savings or from government deficit spending or the Treasury printing more cash (M0).

Let me rephrase my question about fiat currencies never deflating. When has any currency that has its monetary base expanded by alot, ever deflated? In other words, when has printing money ever led to deflation? I suppose you could say the dollar was a fiat currency back in the 1930s but we didn't expand the monetary base.

Just as often as any non- fiat currency. The money may have been "printed" but still hasn't been released yet since much of it is still at the banks as reserves.
 
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We have set in motion a HUGE, PERMANENT force to lower the value of the dollar by printing tons of them.
I have understood your point perfectly every time you have stated it. It is possible that you have understood mine as well, and that we simply disagree.

The "HUGE, PERMANENT force" you refer to is known as: supply. "Printing tons of [dollars]" = increasing supply.

It is true, I believe another "HUGE, PERMANENT force" exists. This second "HUGE, PERMANENT force" is known as: demand. You make one a mighty river, and one a puny canoe. But I believe, rightly or wrongly, that demand is just as important and just as huge, powerful, permanent, etc. as supply. It is the equal counterpart to supply, and both supply and demand play an equal role in determining the prices of things. The price of beanie babies, the price of pork bellies, and the price of money, are all determined by supply and demand.

What are the odds that some other HUGE, PERMANENT force is going to arise to offset the downward force of the money printing?
The odds are 100% that such a force exists, already exists, and always has existed. That force is demand. The odds are, theoretically, 50% that demand will go up, and 50% that demand will go down. So the odds, in abstract theory, of demand fully, over-fully, or partially offsetting the downward force of money printing is 50%.

Let me rephrase my question about fiat currencies never deflating. When has any currency that has its monetary base expanded by alot, ever deflated? In other words, when has printing money ever led to deflation?
The US dollar, according to one measure, deflated last quarter by 0.1%. So that would be one example. I am not familiar with the entire history of the world, so I cannot give you every instance.

I am not saying that "printing money" does not lead to inflation. It does. Monetary inflation leads to price inflation (eventually, all else equal). I am trying to point out that price inflation does not track monetary inflation 1 to 1. Just because the Fed increases the monetary base by 50% in 1992 does not mean that we will have price inflation of 50% in 1992. Nor in 1993. Nor 1994, 1995, 1997, nor 1998. Nor, possibly, ever! It all depends on whether demand keeps up with supply.

I suppose you could say the dollar was a fiat currency back in the 1930s but we didn't expand the monetary base.
No, indeed the Fed contracted the money supply. Who is to say they won't do that again?

[/QUOTE] I think you are thinking of a "fiat" currency in somewhat a different way than typical. Your link is calling, for instance, the 1694 Pound Sterling a fiat currency? What is your definition of fiat? And would you care to answer my questions, please? That will confirm to me that you are reading and comprehending my words and that we are having a lovely and productive conversation. Thank you. Here are three I would like to hear your reply to:

Again, the price of money is determined by the supply of money and the demand for money. Does this make sense? Do you disagree? If so, why?

Again:

1) Does this make sense?
2) Do you disagree?
3) If so, why?


Make it a great weekend!
 
You Tube video by Mike Maloney called Hidden Secrets of Money - Currency vs Money. It's pretty good, but uses a lot of absolutes, (example at 44 seconds; "wealth is never destroyed, it is merely transferred." In IMHO wealth can be destroyed, essence of Broken window fallacy.) which will be ammunition for Zippy and the rest of the trolls.

Wealth can't be destroyed? Bet the residents of Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki would differ on that, just to name a few.
 
If these "theories" on massive deflation are correct, why hasn't there been any cases of major deflation in the entire history of fiat currencies?

Because all the past events have occurred in an environment of physical cash which, once released into the general economic environment becomes very difficult to control. People can take what they have and stuff it in a mattress, for example, and all else equal nobody will know where it is and therefore will be unable to control it directly. Electronic currency as it now exists, excepting those like bitcoin, is a VERY different animal - fundamentally different in the sense that people don't carry it in their wallets of stuff mattresses with it. Such currency is, in fact, constrained to the monopoly networks of the large global banks. You go to the store and instead of breaking out the cash, you whip out the card and an electronic transfer takes place over which YOU have no fundamental control. The only control you do hold is that which is granted you and which is as readily rescinded.

Because of this, if all the money that has been issued over, say, the past 6 years is sequestered from the general economic environment, the hyperinflation that would otherwise be correctly predicted will not happen - all else equal. Recall the trillions of dollars doled out to various parties and of which the question has been asked, "where'd it all go???" and for which answers have not been forthcoming. Is it still out there? Perhaps, but if so then why has the effects of such monumental injections of currency not been felt? I suspect the real answer to "where'd it all go?" is the reason and that those funds have been contained... for now, at least. This, of course, raises the question of why so much has been issued and why is it presumably being sat upon. The potential answers are several and few of them are based in innocence and of those few I doubt any are anything better than most remotely plausible.

Whatever the ultimate goal of this tactic may be, the one thing we can wager on with some confidence is that none of this is likely to work out well for the vast majority of us. We know that someone, somewhere holds enormous power in their hands - the power to inflate or deflate the currency with grave extremity, either result of which stands to wreak havoc upon the everyday lives of countless people. The intent to do so may not be present - at least not this afternoon - but what of tomorrow? Can we afford to trust that down the road someone's mind will not change, regardless of the reasons, and we will not be summarily sheared en masse?

I'm leaning the other way. I'm afraid that the combination of enormous amounts of dollars being held by foreigners plus the fact that they can unload those dollars electronically, could result in massive hyperinflation.

Yes, it could - but you have to recognize that the opposite is equally possible and that if someone out there really wants to hurt us, massive deflation will be a great way to accomplish the goal.
 
I think you are thinking of a "fiat" currency in somewhat a different way than typical. Your link is calling, for instance, the 1694 Pound Sterling a fiat currency? What is your definition of fiat?

What the hell definition are you using that says fiat currencies have only been around since 1970?

And would you care to answer my questions, please? That will confirm to me that you are reading and comprehending my words and that we are having a lovely and productive conversation. Thank you. Here are three I would like to hear your reply to:

Again, the price of money is determined by the supply of money and the demand for money. Does this make sense? Do you disagree? If so, why?

Again:

1) Does this make sense?
2) Do you disagree?
3) If so, why?

I did answer your question. Yes, the price of money is determined is supply and demand. Reread my post.
 
What the hell definition are you using that says fiat currencies have only been around since 1970?



I did answer your question. Yes, the price of money is determined is supply and demand. Reread my post.

I believe he is refering to the formal ending of the US dollar having any backing by gold or sliver which finally ended in 1972 when Nixon ended convertabilty of the dollar into gold by foreigners. That was the last link the dollar had to any metals.
 
Hi, Madison!

You appear to be irritated. I don't really know why. I, being my compliant and eager-to-please self, complied with your demand that I re-read your post. For review, here it is!

I think you are missing my point. Let me try again. There are many forces (supply and demand) that can cause a currency to increase or decrease in value. We have set in motion a HUGE, PERMANENT force to lower the value of the dollar by printing tons of them. What are the odds that some other HUGE, PERMANENT force is going to arise to offset the downward force of the money printing?

Let me rephrase my question about fiat currencies never deflating. When has any currency that has its monetary base expanded by alot, ever deflated? In other words, when has printing money ever led to deflation? I suppose you could say the dollar was a fiat currency back in the 1930s but we didn't expand the monetary base.

Fiat currencies have been around for thousands of years:

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/08/average-life-expectancy-for-fiat.html

http://www.caseyresearch.com/editorial.php?page=articles/thousand-pictures-worth-one-word
So, to me, you didn't clearly say that you agreed with my idea that supply and demand for money determines the price. You just said that supply and demand are two forces among "many," (you even put them in parenthesis, so I kind of missed them) and then proceeded to present the reason why it's inevitable that dollar will fall.

Here's the thing: I don't think you're thrilled and eager to be learning something new from me, and there doesn't seem to be anyone else on this thread benefiting either, so I'm no longer interested in teaching you about my ideas. No, you just seem to be irritated and defensive, and I have no interest in getting you worked up like that. I am glad you know everything about investing and about economics and I am glad you know the future, and I sincerely hope you make loads and loads of money from that knowledge. When you do, maybe donate some of it to some good liberty causes. :)

Because of your situation, your correct course is obvious. Since you know that hyperinflation is around the corner, you should put 100% of your assets into gold, in fact you should take out a second mortgage and go deeply into debt (hyperinflation will wipe that out for you anyway) and use all of it to buy oodles and oodles of gold.
 
I think you are missing my point. Let me try again. There are many forces (supply and demand) that can cause a currency to increase or decrease in value. We have set in motion a HUGE, PERMANENT force to lower the value of the dollar by printing tons of them. What are the odds that some other HUGE, PERMANENT force is going to arise to offset the downward force of the money printing?

Firstly, the term in bold implies an irrevocable condition, which is not the case.

Secondly, the term in red is not the case. Very little has been "printed" and let us be clear that I mean physical cash and coinage. Electronic representations of "money" do not count because they are more or less perfectly controllable. Any account on the planet can be zeroed-out with a few keystrokes, given the right authority. This is a VERY different proposition, say, from having to drill out the locks on a safe deposit box for example.

Electronic currency has changed the game fundamentally precisely because it can be controlled with such absolute authority. All such official currency resides on privately held systems and travels over privately held transport mechanisms, all of which are completely beholden to common authority. In other words, the currency systems of virtually the entire globe are under what is effectively one-world government. Depending upon the desired result, currency volumes can be adjusted up or down with very little red tape, and were a true emergency to arise what little now stands between the actor and his result is probably swept away in the wake of nation-destroying threats to those that might question such action.

The actions taken in Cyprus was but a taste of that which Theye are capable. With no legitimate process whatsoever, 10% of every bank account on that land was sheared off the top and there was NOTHING the account holders could do about it. Fiat was issued. Fiat was received. Fiat was obeyed. Account holders were left with emptier wallets and no recourse. What does one call that? That "reclamation" of currency would have a deflationary tendency, all else equal. Naturally, all else is not equal in the face of the USA and EU issuing countless trillions of dollars and euros. But that could change in a flash. Not likely to here in the USA because we are still well armed, but the Euros were almost completely de-balled decades ago and have no means of defending themselves against tyranny much beyond harsh words and perhaps burning a few of THEIR OWN neighborhoods.

Let me rephrase my question about fiat currencies never deflating. When has any currency that has its monetary base expanded by alot, ever deflated? In other words, when has printing money ever led to deflation? I suppose you could say the dollar was a fiat currency back in the 1930s but we didn't expand the monetary base.

You are operating under false premises - the days where physical currency was the only currency for the most part are long past us. Today that is changed with electronic representations that are created and eliminated with the stroke of a keyboard. People cannot take their electronic currency and stuff it into a mattress because Theye will not allow the individual such access and control over it, which is another fundamental difference between physical and centrally controlled electronic currency (bitcoins are more like physical cash in this sense). You are compelled to store it on Theire mechanisms; transport it over Theire mechanisms. This places the fundamental control in Theire hands, not yours. Oh yes, you can take your card and go to Lowes and buy a stove or some drywall screws with it. That is high-level, superficial control. The fundamental control remains with Theire agents, the banks. When Theye decide you must be sheared, they can do so in any of a number of ways, resulting in a net loss of purchasing power for you.

For example, Theye decide you have not paid sufficient taxes on "income". Theye assess you $X and either you pay up or perhaps they simply raid your accounts. You have NO control over this unless you convert all your electronic $$ into physical. Not very difficult to do... unless you have a lot in savings, in which case the bank keeping your holdings will give you endless shit. They will be happy to cut you a cashier's check on the spot, the only practical thing you can do with it being to deposit it into another bank, but they will be endlessly stubborn if you ask for cash. I know because I have experienced it first-hand, and for paltry amounts no less - not more than $25K. It was only after a good 1/2 hour of argument that they relented and opened the cash drawer and this was back ca. 1995, before things REALLY got out of hand.

Inflation and deflation are the direct effects of the ratio of the money supply to the universe of things that can be had with that money. If the ratio goes up, we experience inflation. If it goes down, deflation - again, all else equal. We can see this at work in microcosm for a given product of commodity. If the market demand for a given item changes drastically, the pricing becomes reflective of that change. If demand for widgets goes up, the price increases and does the opposite where demand lapses - all this within limits of course, which we need not discuss here as it is a subject area in its own rite.

I will also repeat what I have written here before: there is NOTHING fundamentally wrong with a fiat currency. It is human behavior that destroys the viability of any currency or money. When people behave properly, monetary bases remain sacrosanct and people flourish. When they behave poorly, monetary bases are defiled and people suffer loss. It is that simple - literally. There is nothing magical in any of this. The telltale of Theire perfidy lies in the synthetic complexities that have been imposed upon the simple conceptual construct of a monetary system. By introducing such endlessly convoluted crenelations upon what is at its heart a very simple concept, Theye have managed to hoodwink the vast majority of people into believing that that basic system is itself hopelessly complicated. In so doing, the latent lassitude of people has predictably guided the mob into the position of trusting the "experts" with their own testes because it was all too much trouble to become knowledgeable themselves. Brilliant move.
 
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Currency is 100%. We do not have a money supply. We have a debt supply and the FRN is the currency of eternally self-energizing debt.

Currency is paper and coins. That accounts for about ten percent of what we call money.

From ClydeCutler:
Savings can affect the base also, no? And what if savings are spent at a rapid rate (say, because of lack of trust)?
Savings can affect the base if they are not re-lent out. If savings goes up and borrowing does not, the base will increase. That is correct. The Base is Excess Reserves banks have. If more is being lent out than is being added to new savings, the base will decline.
 
If these "theories" on massive deflation are correct, why hasn't there been any cases of major deflation in the entire history of fiat currencies?
Just another small note to any still following this thread:

Deflation, for investment purposes, need not be an actual contraction of the money supply (the Austrian economics deflation definition), nor an actual fall in the general price level/CPI (the common, 5 o'clock news definition of deflation -- properly called "price deflation"). In investment it is the direction of the change that matters.

So, Madison320 says there haven't been any cases of deflation. None, "in the entire history of fiat currencies." Yet, in 2008, we have a dramatic example of just such an occurrence. That year, instead of getting higher inflation, which many were expecting, the housing bust was deflationary. Interest rates went down by a couple percentage points. That may not sound like a lot, but because of this deflation, long-term bonds went up 35%! They were easily the best-performing asset of that year. Is 2008 too long ago for you? Ancient history? One-time fluke?

"In 2011 history had a slight repeat. During the year the Euro was on the verge of problems with a Greek default and the U.S. markets had anemic returns of around 1 percent. Yet long-term Treasury bonds posted an enormous +33 percent gain, mostly in the last quarter. This gain overshadowed every other bond a U.S. investor would consider holding." -- The Permanent Portfolio: Harry Browne's Long-Term Investment Strategy

Long-term bonds are the anti-gold. Long-term bonds do well during deflation. Gold does well during high inflation. A conservative investor would be wise to have equal amounts of both. Why? Because we do not know the future.

Recently, long-term bonds have done very, very well. They also did well in the 1980s. Now maybe you say these times were not periods of true deflation. And that's true. But inflation went down and that's the important thing. In an important sense, if we have less inflation that means we have more deflation, even if the money supply doesn't actually contract. It expanded lees than people thought it would.

So, being ready for deflation by holding long-term bonds is not just a crazy theory. It paid off big in 2008. It paid off big in 2011. It will very possibly pay off again.
 
Wealth can't be destroyed? Bet the residents of Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki would differ on that, just to name a few.

Ahh , Dresden , 25k killed , 1,600 acres burned to the ground .
 
Firstly, the term in bold implies an irrevocable condition, which is not the case.

Secondly, the term in red is not the case. Very little has been "printed" and let us be clear that I mean physical cash and coinage. Electronic representations of "money" do not count because they are more or less perfectly controllable. Any account on the planet can be zeroed-out with a few keystrokes, given the right authority. This is a VERY different proposition, say, from having to drill out the locks on a safe deposit box for example.

Electronic currency has changed the game fundamentally precisely because it can be controlled with such absolute authority. All such official currency resides on privately held systems and travels over privately held transport mechanisms, all of which are completely beholden to common authority. In other words, the currency systems of virtually the entire globe are under what is effectively one-world government. Depending upon the desired result, currency volumes can be adjusted up or down with very little red tape, and were a true emergency to arise what little now stands between the actor and his result is probably swept away in the wake of nation-destroying threats to those that might question such action.

The actions taken in Cyprus was but a taste of that which Theye are capable. With no legitimate process whatsoever, 10% of every bank account on that land was sheared off the top and there was NOTHING the account holders could do about it. Fiat was issued. Fiat was received. Fiat was obeyed. Account holders were left with emptier wallets and no recourse. What does one call that? That "reclamation" of currency would have a deflationary tendency, all else equal. Naturally, all else is not equal in the face of the USA and EU issuing countless trillions of dollars and euros. But that could change in a flash. Not likely to here in the USA because we are still well armed, but the Euros were almost completely de-balled decades ago and have no means of defending themselves against tyranny much beyond harsh words and perhaps burning a few of THEIR OWN neighborhoods.



You are operating under false premises - the days where physical currency was the only currency for the most part are long past us. Today that is changed with electronic representations that are created and eliminated with the stroke of a keyboard. People cannot take their electronic currency and stuff it into a mattress because Theye will not allow the individual such access and control over it, which is another fundamental difference between physical and centrally controlled electronic currency (bitcoins are more like physical cash in this sense). You are compelled to store it on Theire mechanisms; transport it over Theire mechanisms. This places the fundamental control in Theire hands, not yours. Oh yes, you can take your card and go to Lowes and buy a stove or some drywall screws with it. That is high-level, superficial control. The fundamental control remains with Theire agents, the banks. When Theye decide you must be sheared, they can do so in any of a number of ways, resulting in a net loss of purchasing power for you.

For example, Theye decide you have not paid sufficient taxes on "income". Theye assess you $X and either you pay up or perhaps they simply raid your accounts. You have NO control over this unless you convert all your electronic $$ into physical. Not very difficult to do... unless you have a lot in savings, in which case the bank keeping your holdings will give you endless shit. They will be happy to cut you a cashier's check on the spot, the only practical thing you can do with it being to deposit it into another bank, but they will be endlessly stubborn if you ask for cash. I know because I have experienced it first-hand, and for paltry amounts no less - not more than $25K. It was only after a good 1/2 hour of argument that they relented and opened the cash drawer and this was back ca. 1995, before things REALLY got out of hand.

Inflation and deflation are the direct effects of the ratio of the money supply to the universe of things that can be had with that money. If the ratio goes up, we experience inflation. If it goes down, deflation - again, all else equal. We can see this at work in microcosm for a given product of commodity. If the market demand for a given item changes drastically, the pricing becomes reflective of that change. If demand for widgets goes up, the price increases and does the opposite where demand lapses - all this within limits of course, which we need not discuss here as it is a subject area in its own rite.

I will also repeat what I have written here before: there is NOTHING fundamentally wrong with a fiat currency. It is human behavior that destroys the viability of any currency or money. When people behave properly, monetary bases remain sacrosanct and people flourish. When they behave poorly, monetary bases are defiled and people suffer loss. It is that simple - literally. There is nothing magical in any of this. The telltale of Theire perfidy lies in the synthetic complexities that have been imposed upon the simple conceptual construct of a monetary system. By introducing such endlessly convoluted crenelations upon what is at its heart a very simple concept, Theye have managed to hoodwink the vast majority of people into believing that that basic system is itself hopelessly complicated. In so doing, the latent lassitude of people has predictably guided the mob into the position of trusting the "experts" with their own testes because it was all too much trouble to become knowledgeable themselves. Brilliant move.

giving credit, where credit is due.

"Electronic currency has changed the game fundamentally precisely because it can be controlled with such absolute authority. All such official currency resides on privately held systems and travels over privately held transport mechanisms, all of which are completely beholden to common authority. In other words, the currency systems of virtually the entire globe are under what is effectively one-world government."

this is correct. Ron Paul missed this.
too bad Osan buried this gem in such odious verbage. :(
 
Currency is energy it is attached to the value of our labor thru money. We all start out as equals but depending on who we know, who our family is, and our ability to make a "deal" or, how we use our energy or currency we will learn how we value ourselves and others.

To me greed stands out as the most deadly of sins.
 
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