Hidden Cam: WA State GOP recommends voting on delegate slates for 3 of the 4 candidates

Sorry, this is comment is ridiculous.

I used to wonder how the insiders and establishment became the establishment. It's actually a really easy process. The fact is most people do not get involved in politics. This allows the few to dictate and control to the debate, the candidates, the issues etc.

Sure the establishment is mad, we are rocking their boat. Paul has allowed people to tap into the secret of how insiders become insiders. They have their power and control. They've always known that it takes only a few people 100-200 people in major urban counties to throw out the old and put in the new. They've just always assumed that people are too complacent to actually do it; now that people are actually getting involved they are scared. They believe that their views represent the majority . . .well sorry we don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic were a dedicated minority can have a voice and can completely change the political discussion of this country.

If the majority doesn't like the minorities views, one simple solution exists, for the majority to get involved. If they don't get involved they just need to shut up and stop complaining that the minority is "hijacking" the process.
True post is true. Furthermore their contention that they represent the majority is created under false pretenses. How many voters have you heard talk about ANY of the candidates this cycle who weren't expressing views that diverged heavily from what the candidates records show?
Many of these voters think, "lack of preemptive invasion/war = isolationism" (to note just one glaring example)
They don't think this 'just because', they think it because they've been told over and over and over again that it is so. And who's doing the telling? Who's spinning the way things are talked about and editing which information gets reported often and what gets buried? Why the same people who are claiming they represent the will and interests of the majority. The same people who are chanting that Paul is "unelectable". Funny how these folks that are so sure Paul can't win, and are so sure they represent the majority, spend most of their time and energy trying to block and demean any open scrutiny of either issue :rolleyes:

In the French Quarter of NOLA they'd be called con artists, but once they're in party positions we just call them "politicians".
 
If you are in Washington you should report this issue to the WA ACLU. We need to get more legal help against everything that is going on. If we allow crap like this to happen, they'll do it more and more across the country. This needs to be nipped in the bud.

Here is how to file a claim with the WA ACLU.

I know, I know, GOP people don't like the ACLU. Who gives a rip if we can some legal help? I've had it with all the cheating that is going on.

http://www.aclu-wa.org/how-get-legal-help-aclu
 
If you are in Washington you should report this issue to the WA ACLU. We need to get more legal help against everything that is going on. If we allow crap like this to happen, they'll do it more and more across the country. This needs to be nipped in the bud.

Here is how to file a claim with the WA ACLU.

I know, I know, GOP people don't like the ACLU. Who gives a rip if we can some legal help? I've had it with all the cheating that is going on.

http://www.aclu-wa.org/how-get-legal-help-aclu

There is no need to get the ACLU involved! The only thing to understand is that slates are completely legal and simply echo what goes on in all political bodies on a regular basis. Every time a Democrat crosses party lines to vote with the Republicans we're all "that is so cool". As far as the Romney, Santorum, Gingrich slate that was proposed and in some cases utilized at the Pierce County convention it turns out that it was a scam perpetrated by the Romney folks. Once the Santorum people contacted their national leadership they learned that they were being scammed they formed a slate with the RP people. That enabled both of us to win a lot of delegates. There will be many that will not like the cooperation between us and the Santorum people but in order to win delegates it was necessary to do this. I was present and witnessed these things for myself.
 
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There is no need to get the ACLU involved! The only thing to understand is that slates are completely legal and simply echo what goes on in all political bodies on a regular basis. Every time a Democrat crosses party lines to vote with the Republicans we're all "that is so cool". As far as the Romney, Santorum, Gingrich slate that was proposed and in some cases utilized at the Pierce County convention it turns out that it was a scam perpetrated by the Romney folks. Once the Santorum people contacted their national leadership they learned that they were being scammed they formed a slate with the RP people. That enabled both of us to win a lot of delegates. There will be many that will not like the cooperation between us and the Santorum people but in order to win delegates it was necessary to do this. I was present and witnessed these things for myself.

Ok, well if something illegal does happen the ACLU should be contacted.
 
Yes and no. The delegates from a state also are there to support the eventual nominee in a show of unity. If you look at roll call votes from previous conventions, the states generally cast their votes for the presumptive nominee. By the time of the convention, typically all opposition candidates will have dropped out or suspended, which leaves the delegates from early states free to vote for the presumptive nominee. In that sense they are correct in their assumption that Paul delegates won't vote for the presumptive nominee, so they want to have delegates representing their state that are willing to vote for the nominee whomever it is.

Think of it this way. If for example Romney gets his 1144 prior to the RNC, most delegates are going to be voting for Romney. Only the Paul ones will be hold outs. So they don't want their state's delegates to have some holdouts if it is preventable.

As if NOBP is hurting us?
 
He sounded quite paranoid. Wait till he see's this video. Has anybody sent this to him yet? Should attached the St Charles secretly recorded vid also. RP supporters are EVERYWHERE! Even in your lil secret mtgs ::cool:

Hilarious that it so terribly backfired on him and Santorum teamed with us instead....hahahahahahahaha.
 
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I'll have to watch it but in Price they weren't hiding it, they specifically said they had a 'unity' slate with only Romney, Santorum and Gingrich people 'because Ron Paul supporters couldn't be depended on to fall behind whomever was the nominee' which I thought odd since the delegates PICK who is the nominee, and only then is the party supposed to fall behind them, as I understand it.

Except hte delegates are supposed to represent the population. NOWHERE was it expected that the country's leaders would be decided by a few dozen people.
 
Except hte delegates are supposed to represent the population. NOWHERE was it expected that the country's leaders would be decided by a few dozen people.

Stick around. You have lots, and lots, and lots to learn.
 
Except hte delegates are supposed to represent the population. NOWHERE was it expected that the country's leaders would be decided by a few dozen people.
If you haven't checked it out read up on the distinctions between a Republic and a Democracy. (Side note: even Athens wasn't actually a direct democracy)
Delegate selection and especially the internal/legislative process isn't what it's purported to be by the media. Never has been really, it's just coming to light now because not everyone is dancing to the same piper.
 
EDIT: I was reading back posts and someone else already posted this:( Not sure how I missed it. I'll leave it up in case someone else did too.

Comment from video poster's account:

"This was my district (2nd). I actually got to count votes! We ended up sending 15 Paul, 15 Santorum, and 1 Romney. The Romney people were pissed! I'm not sure how the alternates worked out, but it was either 15 Paul, 16 Santorum, or vice versa. My wife and I are both alternates. I was so upset by the "Unity Slate" people and their disgusting bias that I used part of my speech to express how appalled I was at their behavior. They were very rude anytime a speech maker mentioned Ron Paul, and their "savagery" caused them to yell "time" and interupt well before the allotted time had run out. The Ron Paul people were all very civilized, in my humble opinion." Brandon Clarke
 
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Fair enough. I have been thinking it is time to distance myself from this campaign anyway. While I was part of the earliest Paul draft movement back in 06, I am not pleased with the direction this campaign and the grassroots has taken, particularly over the last month or so. Essentially, the worst elements of the grassroots have taken over, and it is sad to see this.

My personal feeling is that a lot of this is going to do more harm than good in our ability to return the GOP to its core principles.

Best of luck to you all.

And before the PA primary too. Anyway, when you got here you just didn't realize that RPSAA or Ron Paul Supporters Are Annoying (or Assholes). Nothing has really changed in the last month.

What we're seeing here, it appears, is the Romney people handing scraps to the Santorum and Gingrich people, and the Romney argument is "Ron Paul delegates will embarrass Washington State." We're trying to appeal to people by using different arguments.

Their arguments wouldn't work, of course, if we didn't act like assholes all the time.
But we do. That's our thing. But that's been our thing all along. What's the point of NOBP? It just pisses people off. I haven't heard any reason why we ever have to say that. What is exactly the purpose of that? I have heard many people use a version of "all the others suck, NOBP". Fine. But what purpose does that serve? It just makes people think that we're assholes, and can't be relied upon to act not like assholes on TV. Do we we still have a MARCH on the RNC in Tampa planned? That's open hostility. Everyone but Paul supporters hate Paul supporters more than Paul himself, because we very often act inappropriately.

That's their argument, and it has nothing to do with Paul, and everything to do with our behavior.

This isn't new though, this has been going on the whole time. If there was a change, it was in 2007.


In early 2007, April, May, Ron Paul's 2% had no college students, no anti war faction, but goldbugs and conspiracy theorists, people who remembered Goldwater and Robert Taft. But then came an argument with Giuliani, and a discussion of blowback, and that drove away Republicans and brought in young anti war people. And that helped, but it really seemed to put a ceiling on Ron Paul within the Republican Party. And everything we see now is a result of that. Ron Paul perhaps could've staked out a "realist" Reaganite foreign policy, but, from the summer of 07 on, his foreign policy became completely unacceptable to many, many Republicans. Long time RP supporters on Free Republic said "too rich for my blood" and stopped supporting. This all happened in the summer of 07. And it really hasn't changed much. We still have the same problems with registered Republicans, and old people.
Our new supporters seem to hate Republicans at least as much as Democrats, and Republicans say "right back at you". The core Ron Paul supporter can't communicate with a typical Freeper, we're isolated, and we don't seem to care about this at all. I'm not making the argument that this chain of events was bad, had Ron Paul not made a splash in May 07, bringing in Anti War Protesters, it could be argued he might've stayed in the Tancredo / Hunter range, without passionate supporters. We do have a Senator Rand Paul, after all. And things are getting better. But we have really pissed off many many Republicans.
 
The establishment GOP is hurting themselves by treating us in such a terrible manner.

Please explain to me the purpose of talking about NOBP.

It appears to me that Ron Paul Supporters are hurting Ron Paul. They aren't trying to prevent Ron Paul Supporters from being delegates because they don't like Ron Paul, they're trying to prevent Ron Paul Supporters from being delegates because they don't like Ron Paul Supporters.

We're not going to get to 1144 in Tampa by being assholes.
 
You know, you guys have really made a convincing argument. I thought I wanted to restore liberty and try to overcome a corrupt system, but it turns out I just wanted to be a fucking asshole. Oh well, back to watching American Idol then...
 
You know, you guys have really made a convincing argument. I thought I wanted to restore liberty and try to overcome a corrupt system, but it turns out I just wanted to be a fucking asshole. Oh well, back to watching American Idol then...

Restoring liberty without being an asshole. How about that?
 
Please explain to me the purpose of talking about NOBP.

It appears to me that Ron Paul Supporters are hurting Ron Paul. They aren't trying to prevent Ron Paul Supporters from being delegates because they don't like Ron Paul, they're trying to prevent Ron Paul Supporters from being delegates because they don't like Ron Paul Supporters.

We're not going to get to 1144 in Tampa by being assholes.

They didn't start not liking us because of the NOBP thing. The NOBP thing came about because of the blatant mistreatment. We certainly don't have to be jerks about anything, but I think we should stand up for ourselves when we are getting treated terribly by the party.
 
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