Herman Cain in Full Damage Control mode

[LBennett76]

Gonna tell ya right now, those active Facebook supporters of Cain's will NEVER change their vote to Ron. They DESPISE him. The declared hatred for him on there is equal to their love for Cain. I quit trying to even reasonably debate with them because quite a few of them are downright vile and insane. These are people whose second choice is either Newt or Perry. They've said as much. So I would leave the Facebook group alone. Those people are lost causes. Our time and resources are better spent elsewhere.
It's the ones who are just normal people out and about that we can get to change. So focus on friends and neighbors and do the phone program. Those are our best bet.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

No one is asking you to marry them. This isn't about YOU. It is about getting Ron Paul elected.

Paul needs every vote that he can get.

+1

 

[klamath]

There for a while I thought the RP grass roots had grown up this election. I guess not. Just how would a cain supporter be treated on these forums trying to sell cain? I remember how the leader of Huck army was treated.
How would we respond if a alledged scandal broke on RP and a hord of supporters for other candidates swarmed on these forums and started posting links about the scandal and telling us RP was dirt.
Well people it is used over and over again on US foreign policy debates "How would we respond to an occupying army on our soil?" How would Cain supporter respond on attack on his soil. This causes serious blowback against RP. If this scanal does get traction rest assured former Cain supporters are not going to have RP as there second choice because of this blowback. The rudeness of some of RP's supporter is directly the inverse of RP's politeness. And people wonder why RP can't break above 10%

 

[Lymeade-Lady]

You may not want the ones you see posting--those who are strong supporters and so passionate. But you may want the ones who are so-so supporters who read but don't post. Who do think, but just don't have enough information yet b/c they don't spend much time reading about politics. Remember there are lots of lurkers all over the internet.

When I was a teacher I learned that the way I treated the worst kid was important to how I was seen with the whole class. If I treated the kid that was way out of line with respect and kept control of my emotions, the rest of the class would trust me that I would treat them fairly. I'm not saying not call the kids out, but it doesn't have to be ugly. Same goes for online--if they are out of line, you show your character by responding respectfully and win respect. Paul supporters have not always done this well, and those that are just watching the exchange are sometimes turned off. Dr. Paul is one of the few that does this well in the debates. But his supporters don't always follow suit.

 

[Cabal]

I would expect RP to answer the bloody accusation straight up, first of all, and would be disappointed if he didn't. I would also want to see the story unfold and find the truth, as opposed to blindly following anything. Would I give him the benefit of the doubt? Probably, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't also be skeptical depending on the situation.

LB is mostly right. You guys are kidding yourselves if you think the vast majority of Cain supporters on FB would even give RP a second glance, regardless of this story's accuracy.

 

[ChrisDixon]

As much as I want Ron to win, I don't even know that I want these people. It would feel dirty.

I have to admit, I'm rather disgusted by the blind faith they all give to Cain. Intelligent minds question everything and do not cling to unfounded blind faith.

We NEED everyone we can get. This isn't a purity test, this is a political race. In the end, it comes down to the total votes, whether they be from criminals or saints is irrelevant. We not only WANT these people, we NEED them. We can't win the Republican nomination with just his grassroots.

 

[HeyArchie]

Cain supporters hate Paul supporters. And a lot of them hate Paul. There are a couple trolls on the Cain FB page... knock it off. Let him self destruct. And his supporters probably won't come to our side.

Are u
Kidding me????????? Something that happened in the 1990s? Wow that's like something coming up when I was 4 years old do my job won't hire me cuz I shit my diper when I was 4!!!! Come on people!!!!! Grow up!

 

[Cabal]

We NEED everyone we can get. This isn't a purity test, this is a political race. In the end, it comes down to the total votes, whether they be from criminals or saints is irrelevant. We not only WANT these people, we NEED them. We can't win the Republican nomination with just his grassroots.

What we need and what we can reasonably get are two entirely different things. We need to win. We don't need to waste time on people who wouldn't vote for Paul if their lives depended on it.

 

[freejack]

This is an opportunity for us to side with the Cain supporters against the media and perhaps build some bridges between the two camps. The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?

 

[Cabal]

This is an opportunity for us to side with the Cain supporters against the media and perhaps build some bridges between the two camps. The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?

...Wouldn't that make Politico our friend? Cain's been as much an enemy to us as anyone.

 

[LBennett76]

In response to Lymeade_Lady ^^^ True. That's why I would attempt to have reasonable debate or ask questions that I wanted to see answered so those lurking didn't just accept what they saw at face value. I made sure 999 was explained to me. It took awhile, but I finally got someone to do the math and find that I paid more. Then I would make sure to nicely point out that things like your employer raising your pay because they didn't have to pay their 7.65% or whatever was a really BIG assumption. I was always careful and cautious. Hence, I was never banned. I'd get a few comments telling me to quit trolling, but I'd ask sincerely for explanations, I'd make sure they were clarified, and once they were I thanked them for the help. After a few particulary nasty regulars decided to go on a tirade about Ron Paul blaming America for 9/11 and getting into the debate with them and being accused of being ignorant along with an attack on the idiocy of all RP supporters, I posted on the wall that I would be "gnoming" (their word for trolling) them no more and I wished them luck, saying may the best man with a plan win. I was cordially commented to. I have never posted again despite temptation. The hardcores dominate the site now and nothing short of witnessing Herman Cain murder someone directly in front of them is going to sway them.
It really doesn't help when some RP supporters just get on and act rudely. It's kind of like they're grabbing them and shaking them and screaming at them to wake the hell up instead of gently nudging them which is what I was trying to do...

 

[69360]

The real question here is, how much of Cain's support is soft? I'd venture a guess that it is probably 75% or more soft support. In other words don't even bother argueing with the few hardcore ones, his support will go with whoever is leading the polls. So we need to take advantage of this opportunity to be second and the anti romney going into the early states.

 

[roversaurus]

If you were banned from Cain's FB page SHAME ON YOU!

There is serious, serious risk of a global depression, of the end of the U.S.A. as an even moderately free country. It's sad and shocking to hear myself say this but Ron Paul is the only hope. Who else is going to step up and pull back on the empire and the spending and regulation? No one is saying what Dr. Paul is saying. Sure, Rand Paul would be easier to elect and would do much the same stuff. But if you're dreaming of him winning in 2016 you're wrong. A Republican is going to win in 2012. If it is not Ron then there is no way for Rand to beat a sitting republican in 2016 and THEN beat the democrat.

So 2012 is the year. It's the year we save America ... or we don't. How can you indulge your juvenile urges and anger voters we need to win this thing? Please, I beg you. Stand up. Be a man. Humble yourself. Anything. I'm not asking you to get frostbite in Valley Forge. But this is similar in importance.

There are only a few turning points in American history. This is one of them.

 

[LBennett76]

Kinda curious how many people posting in this thread have actually been to HC's Facebook page? Curious how many are lurking (and how many have no clue what goes on there lol).
So... here is a basic idea of how Facebook Cain supporters see this. This lady's post pretty much sums it up.

"Ok.....Just a minute on the latest. Gotta get to work. On this business that was stirred up on CAIN about "did he, did he not sexually harass" anyone. Guess what? I don't even care whether he did or whether he didn't because if he did and if he didn't it doesn't make him any less of a good president candidate in my eyes. President Clinton is a great president in my eyes and he was democrat and an adulterer and so was King David in the bible so you NEWS MEDIA DEMOCRAT LIB STIRRING UP ALL THE HOGWASH CAN JUST Shut up. It affects me just about as much as putting my hand in a bucket of water when I put pull it out and look for the affects. NONE! NOTTA!!!!!!!!!! Ok Libs and Dems....Go on to plan Z GOTTCHA!"

 

[69360]

I refuse to be data mined and won't do facebook.

You are all wasting your time on the hardcore Cain supporters, we won't get them. His soft support might go with the flow to us.

There is a big difference between voluntary adultery and sexual harassment.

 

[Kords21]

I'm just wondering what makes Cain such a good "Presidental Candidate" in the first place. The quoted post in LBennet76 post is a little disturbing. To each their own and all that, but I just don't get the whole appeal of Herman Cain. I don't think he has a good enough of an understanding on the issues to have a clear stance on them, or if he does he's constantly changing his posistion on them and and can't decide when he's joking or not. When confronted with the impact of his 999 plan he just hems and haws around that. The whole Cain thing is quite baffeling to me.

 

[klamath]

Kinda curious how many people posting in this thread have actually been to HC's Facebook page? Curious how many are lurking (and how many have no clue what goes on there lol).
So... here is a basic idea of how Facebook Cain supporters see this. This lady's post pretty much sums it up.

"Ok.....Just a minute on the latest. Gotta get to work. On this business that was stirred up on CAIN about "did he, did he not sexually harass" anyone. Guess what? I don't even care whether he did or whether he didn't because if he did and if he didn't it doesn't make him any less of a good president candidate in my eyes. President Clinton is a great president in my eyes and he was democrat and an adulterer and so was King David in the bible so you NEWS MEDIA DEMOCRAT LIB STIRRING UP ALL THE HOGWASH CAN JUST Shut up. It affects me just about as much as putting my hand in a bucket of water when I put pull it out and look for the affects. NONE! NOTTA!!!!!!!!!! Ok Libs and Dems....Go on to plan Z GOTTCHA!"

She just lost Cain support and RP's name never had to come in it.

 

[walt]

Everyone keep in mind that we want those people to switch to Ron. Be positive!

Yes I agree, it's really stupid to go to the other candidate's sties and post things as stated above, you are doing more harm than good.

 

[kazmlsj]

This is going off as planned for TPTB. Time to remove the Cain distraction and prop up Romney.
Hopefully people will see through this and support the only honest candidate with character and integrity...Ronald Ernest Paul.

 

[Tina]

Cain is coming up on Fox now for an interview about the allegations.