***Here's How to Educate People About The Fed***

All I'm saying...

If you are going to be telling people that the Fed charges the US (and us) interest on money it prints, and that the Fed charges the US an insane amount of money....

You have to answer who at "the Fed" actually collects this money.

I give this thread 4 pages until somebody says Illuminati. I already see Rothchild and Rockefeller, so I know it's coming.

josh24601, someone actually already answered your question:
The fed is owned by 8 member banks and ownership is secret.

The argument is made that congress has authority over the Fed, but then go tell that to Ron Paul who IS in congress and has been trying to reign in the Fed for decades!

Also, i've read somewhere on a website that the Fed gives our government back some or all of the interest we pay in the form of rebates... anybody know about this?

The whole point is that nobody knows for sure exactly who owns the Fed, because nobody's ever been able to do an audit! The Federal Reserve is a corporation, but it's owned and operated in complete secrecy. The mere fact that nearly everything about it is kept secret is a testament to its immense power and influence. The obvious answer to your question is, "The richest banks in the world own the Fed," but due to the secrecy of the Fed's shareholders, nobody can name any names and supply written proof of the individual banks and their ownership share. Furthermore, since we can't determine the individual banks and their prominence with absolute certainty, we can't determine the largest shareholders of those particular banks, either. However, it stands to reason that these banks are long-time dynasties of the Rockefeller and Rothschild type, as opposed to "run-of-the-mill" banks like Fifth Third. We really can't get any more specific without making educated guesses, but it's obvious that the Fed is not owned by ordinary citizens like you or me. josh24601, your tone seems rather condescending, implying that you somehow think it's ridiculous that shadowy families like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds might be behind the Federal Reserve. If you disagree, please enlighten us: Who do YOU think owns the Fed? Or do you think the Fed itself is just a figment of our overactive imaginations?

IMPORTANT EDIT: I sought out this post because I remember making it, and apparently I may have been incorrect. In another thread, AceNZ posted a link to this site, which "debunks some myths" about the Fed. Some of the things it asserts (with explanations, sources, etc.) are that the Fed indeed has been audited (and is audited frequently), and it lists the banks that own the Fed. It also states that the Fed repays almost all interest given to them by the Treasury (minus operating costs). Although I still disagree strongly with the author's belief that the Fed should continue to exist (fractional reserve banking and "fiat money as debt" are travesties that keep the population collectively enslaved, and on the whole, permanently "in the red" - and the Fed is an instrument of this), it's an interesting read. I haven't looked into the sources cited as the basis for these arguments, but at the very least, the arguments on the site seem to be more well backed-up than the "telephone game" we've apparently been playing. Perhaps the only reason we believe the Fed hasn't been audited is because of the whole thing, "Say something a thousand times and it becomes true."
 
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"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. "
 
Didn't I also read somewhere.... that most if not all of our income tax goes toward interest to pay off the govt's loans from the Fed? Or.......?

If so, that's another good point to make about how much the Fed is dominating our lives.
 
That's a great question. I'm assuming that since the Fed is a private organization the same rules apply that apply to any company. However, I don't have any info on this. Does anyone know for sure?? I'm sure there is a lot more to learn.

No rules apply to the fed.. The Fed MAKES the rules.. seriously.
 
The fed is owned by 8 member banks and ownership is secret.

The argument is made that congress has authority over the Fed, but then go tell that to Ron Paul who IS in congress and has been trying to reign in the Fed for decades!

Also, i've read somewhere on a website that the Fed gives our government back some or all of the interest we pay in the form of rebates... anybody know about this?


The Fed remits most of its 'profits' which only means that it remits any interest to the federal govt which it directly received from owning govt bonds...

Its just for show IMO, as the fed doesnt remit any interest if it sells or transfers those bonds to member banks.. Nor does it remit any profit that it makes from lending money to banks, etc. The fed can pretty much do anything it wants accounting-wise and nobody will be able to say boo.

On average the fed "earns" $22 Billion or so, and remits about $19 Billion to the treasury.. Again just for show.. since they literalyy earn hundreds of billions of dollars a year, um probably more like a trillion.
 
Sorry, but I'm a pretty intelligent person that just has never been very interested in economic (that is changing).

And I still don't get where you are saying the money goes. If I don't, I can assure you that anybody you are trying to educate about this that isn't as eager as I am to learn won't get it.

Do they keep it? Does it go into a "reserve" they control? Does it go to the US treasury? Is the Fed a profit or non-profit organization? Who makes the profit?
 
Sorry, but I'm a pretty intelligent person that just has never been very interested in economic (that is changing).

And I still don't get where you are saying the money goes. If I don't, I can assure you that anybody you are trying to educate about this that isn't as eager as I am to learn won't get it.

Do they keep it? Does it go into a "reserve" they control? Does it go to the US treasury? Is the Fed a profit or non-profit organization? Who makes the profit?

This may explain some of that. I tried to include the absolutely most important information in as little text as I could. Anyone who don't know thus stuff should be shitting bricks after they find out about it.

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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=114669
 
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From what I understand the Bank of England (yet another private bank) owns the largest share of the Federal Reserve. So much for freedom from England's rule. They may still control the U.S. secretly. The City of London, a district of several blocks, which is a separate entity from Municipal London, is apparently the true financial center of the world. It is there that the Bank of England is headquartered as well as other institutions which control the world's economy.
As a thought - since the Federal Reserve is indeed a private corporation, should they not be reporting their income to the IRS and paying taxes on it, just as any other corporation does? Is this not treason? Is the Federal Government, the IRS, the Treasury and every Federal entity that deals with the Federal reserve not behaving in a treasonous manner by not carrying out their responsibility to treat the Federal Reserve as any other corporation? Should not the many people who are responsible for failing to carry out thier duties be put on trail and sentenced to jail for their complicity in this scheme? Should not the Federal Reserve have it's assets seized by the IRS for not reporting their income and for not paying taxes on it? I think I heard somewhere that creating money in an unconstitutional manner is an especially grievous crime, with the possible penaly of death. Perhaps someone can shed some more light on this matter.
 
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From what I understand the Bank of England (yet another private bank) owns the largest share of the Federal Reserve. So much for freedom from England's rule. They may still control the U.S. secretly. The City of London, a district of several blocks, which is a separate entity from Municipal London, is apparently the true financial center of the world. It is there that the Bank of England is headquartered as well as other institutions which control the world's economy.
As a thought - since the Federal Reserve is indeed a private corporation, should they not be reporting their income to the IRS and paying taxes on it, just as any other corporation does? Is this not treason? Is the Federal Government, the IRS, the Treasury and every Federal entity that deals with the Federal reserve not behaving in a treasonous manner by not carrying out their responsibility to treat the Federal Reserve as any other corporation? Should not the many people who are responsible for failing to carry out thier duties be put on trail and sentenced to jail for their complicity in this scheme? Should not the Federal Reserve have it's assets seized by the IRS for not reporting their income and for not paying taxes on it? I think I heard somewhere that creating money in an unconstitutional manner is an especially grievous crime, with the possible penaly of death. Perhaps someone can shed some more light on this matter.

I think they do pay taxes. I am sure they have many ways of reducing the taxes they pay though.
 
Sorry, but I'm a pretty intelligent person that just has never been very interested in economic (that is changing).

And I still don't get where you are saying the money goes. If I don't, I can assure you that anybody you are trying to educate about this that isn't as eager as I am to learn won't get it.

Do they keep it? Does it go into a "reserve" they control? Does it go to the US treasury? Is the Fed a profit or non-profit organization? Who makes the profit?


IM not sure who you are asking this question to. But there is no 'reserve' anywhere just fyi.
 
If I could pick just one thing to change in Gov it would be. Get rid of the Federal Reserve.

I think it's the one thing that pisses me off the most!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The way I explain it to people is in a nutshell, if you have a dollar, that means someone else owes the federal reserve a dollar. The Federal Reserve can make loans whenever they want.
 
The executive order Kenedy put out had nothing to do with harming the FED or banks. It has been debunked.
 
The executive order Kenedy put out had nothing to do with harming the FED or banks. It has been debunked.
I heard he woke up one morning and thought to himself "I think I'll print some silver certificates just for fun", no particular reason, just fun.
 
The Federal Reserve charges the US Treasury a fixed 6% for every dollar that the Fed creates out of thin air. That 6% is paid to the owners of the Fed as a dividend. It's not quite correct to say that the Fed is a private corporation, like Fed Ex. It's the beneficial ownership of the shares in the bank, and the *BENEFITS* themselves (ie the 6%) that are privatized.

It's federal in that it came about by an act of Congress, but Congress can only nominate the Chairman. The rest of the board, the beneficial ownership of the shares, and the actual benefits, are all private.

Who private? Who knows. THAT's the story.

A GREAT question that should be asked at the next Presidential debate:

"The Federal Reserve banking system charges 6% interest on every dollar that it creates out of thin air. Who should receive the benefits of the creation of that money, the American people, or privately-owned banks behind the Federal Reserve? And do you pledge that when you are in office, you will make it so?"

Or some variation thereof, to similar effect.
 
Here is a link that might help answer the question. It says that "After paying its expenses, the Federal Reserve turns the rest of its earnings over to the U.S. Treasury. "

Link: http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm


A link to the Federal Reserve site? Yeah, because I would expect them to just say right on the site that they've orchestrated the largest transfer of wealth the world has ever known.

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The following language was taken right from the house of representative minutes located at:
http://commdocs.house...

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Now let's talk about the dollar note. It costs four cents to print, you said.

Mr. ALLISON. Yes. These are rough??

Mr. METCALF. You rounded out, I understand.

Mr. ALLISON. Yes, I said those were ballpark numbers.

Mr. METCALF. But then the Federal Reserve, essentially, issues it into circulation.

Mr. ALLISON. Yes.

Mr. METCALF. And what do they do with that? They get 96 cents for every one dollar bill that goes into circulation, if it costs four cents. What do they do with that 96 cents? What do they buy with it?

Mr. ALLISON. Yes, actually, the Federal Reserve buys a Treasury bill or Government security of some type worth one dollar.

Mr. METCALF. And, thus, we pay interest directly or indirectly on every Federal Reserve note in circulation; over $400 billion.

Mr. ALLISON. Let me make clear that the Federal Reserve buys those notes from the public; that is, those were Government securities that the Treasury had issued in the past; they're already put into circulation. They're a consequence of past budgetary deficits by the Federal Government. So, instead of the Treasury paying interest to the public or some other holder, it's paying to a different holder. This holder, however, the Federal Reserve System, returns all of the interest?unlike all other holders?returns all of the interest to the Treasury.

Mr. METCALF. Not all of the interest.

Mr. ALLISON. At the margin, all of the interest. The Federal Reserve, as you know, keeps an amount necessary to cover our own budget, and that's about the first $2 billion, roughly, of earnings; keeps enough to add a small increment to an account called ''surplus,'' which is retained earnings. That's a few hundred million, and pays a dividend to member banks, another few hundred million, and then 100 percent of the balance over that goes back to the Treasury.

Mr. METCALF. Right. You take out your expenses, and give the rest to the Treasury which is fine. I just wanted to make that clear. It seems like a strange system where we could issue the money directly as we do our coins, and gain the seigniorage, and, instead, we allow the Fed to issue it, and then we pay interest on it out of the Treasury, and then part of that interest comes back to us. It seems like an arcane system that could have been invented only by somebody who was mentally deranged.

[Laughter.]

I think we're mentally deranged to continue it.

Chairman CASTLE. Mr. Allison did not invent this system. I just want to make sure everybody understands that here.

[Laughter.]

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The only conspiracy is a theory not proven, here as you can see it is a proven fact that Americans are being sold out for the wealth of the elitist who LAUGH about it.


Below is some good information found here:
http://www.apfn.org/APFN/fed_reserve.htm

ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 OF THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT CONGRESS SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO COIN (CREATE) MONEY AND REGULATE THE VALUE THEREOF.

IN 1935 THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT CONGRESS CANNOT CONSTITUTIONALLY DELEGATE ITS POWER TO ANOTHER GROUP.

Rothschild, a London Banker and a member of the most powerful and wealthiest banking family in the history of the world, wrote a letter saying:
"It (Central Bank ) gives the National Bank almost complete control of national finance. The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class... The great body of the people, mentally incapable of comprehending, will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical (contrary) to their interests."​

The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - the stock is not publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison. The FED banking system collects billions of dollars in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud.

Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:

  • Rothschild Bank of London
  • Warburg Bank of Hamburg
  • Rothschild Bank of Berlin
  • Lehman Brothers of New York
  • Lazard Brothers of Paris
  • Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
  • Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
  • Goldman, Sachs of New York
  • Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
  • Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America (our forefathers were fighting their own government), they planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt.

The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in the FED. The banks listed below have significant control over the New York FED District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts. These banks also are partly foreign owned and control the New York FED District Bank.

  • First National Bank of New York James Stillman National City Bank, New York Mary W. Harnman
  • National Bank of Commerce, New York A.D. Jiullard
  • Hanover National Bank, New York Jacob Schiff
  • Chase National Bank, New York Thomas F. Ryan Paul Warburg William Rockefeller Levi P. Morton M.T. Pyne George F. Baker Percy Pyne Mrs. G.F. St. George J.W. Sterling Katherine St. George H.P. Davidson J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life) Edith Brevour T. Baker

How did it happen? After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve Act through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow Wilson's campaign for President. He had committed to sign this act. In 1913, a Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the Rockefellers, pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just before Christmas when much of Congress was on vacation. When elected, Wilson passed the FED. Later, Wilson remorsefully replied (referring to the FED), "I have unwittingly ruined my country".

Now the banks financially back sympathetic candidates. Not surprisingly, most of these candidates are elected. One of the biggest ways to accumulate debt is through WAR. Wonder my McCain in the "annointed" candidate?

The bankers employ members of the Congress on weekends (nickname T club -out Thursday...-in Tuesday) with lucrative salaries. Additionally, the FED started buying up the media in the 1930's and now owns or significantly influences most of it.

Presidents Lincoln, Jackson, and Kennedy tried to stop this family of bankers by printing U.S. dollars without charging the taxpayers interest.

Today, if the government runs a deficit, the FED prints dollars through the U.S. Treasury, buys the debt, and the dollars are circulated into the economy. In 1992, taxpayers paid the FED banking system $286 billion in interest on debt the FED purchased by printing money virtually cost free. Forty percent of our personal federal income taxes goes to pay this interest. The FED's books are not open to the public. Congress has yet to audit it.

Congressman Wright Patman was Chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Banking and Currency for 40 years. For 20 of those years, he introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913.

Congressman Henry Gonzales, Chairman of a banking committee, introduces legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913 nearly every year. It's always defeated, the media remains silent, and the public never learns the truth. The same bankers who own the FED control the media and give huge political contributions to sympathetic members of Congress.
 
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