RonPaulIsGood
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Hillary lied that she does not support about socialized medicine and she lied that she would make a free market approach.
How is it socialized medicine if the hospitals who gave the free care had to close? I thought socialized meant "payed for by taxpayer dollars" or something to that effect?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...althcare&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
I support treating everyone who comes to your doorstep, but also understand that there is a reason why a hospital room costs $550 or so dollars a day, and it isn't because nurses and stuff cost so much. (you are usually sharing that nurse with up to 8 other patients!)
For example, I am going to make some sweeping generalizations because its fuN!
Lets say that hospital room is listed at $550/day on the price board. If you are a client of medicare or some other insurance company, they negotiate the actual price down to lets say $380 but also give you pages upon pages of regulations on how to care for your patient (another story all together).
Now, if you are "self-pay" you will be billed the full $550/day. However, if you are a poor broke dude and cannot afford to pay, they will eventually write you off for a total of $262 per day. (on their balance statements they may still write off the $550).
Btw - I am not demeaning your argument. I used to be a huge proponent of Universal Healthcare. Our system is most definitely broken!
Our government is in business to the extent of owning more than 19,000 businesses covering 47 different lines of activity. This amounts to 1/5 of the total
industrial capacity of the United States.
All the conservatard talk show hosts must have gotten "socialized medicine" as their talking point from conservatard HQ this week.
They never define "socialized medicine", but are dead set against it, whatever it is.
From listening to them I get the impression that if there's medicine is socialized all the private practice doctors would go away. Somehow I don't think this is true.
What happens in England and Canada which they always hold up as examples of people dying in the streets because of socialized medicine. Are private doctors outlawed? Why?
I'm not totally against socialized medicine because the AMA or some prestigious group did a study a few years ago and found socialized medicine would actually be cheaper and more efficient overall since the insurance industry bureaucracy is huge and add little value and people that have insurance are paying for the uninsured anyway. Besides are who is going pass a law that says emergency rooms don't have to treat matters of life and death insurance or not? No one.
What say you?
All the conservatard talk show hosts must have gotten "socialized medicine" as their talking point from conservatard HQ this week.
They never define "socialized medicine", but are dead set against it, whatever it is.
From listening to them I get the impression that if there's medicine is socialized all the private practice doctors would go away. Somehow I don't think this is true.
What happens in England and Canada which they always hold up as examples of people dying in the streets because of socialized medicine. Are private doctors outlawed? Why?
I'm not totally against socialized medicine because the AMA or some prestigious group did a study a few years ago and found socialized medicine would actually be cheaper and more efficient overall since the insurance industry bureaucracy is huge and add little value and people that have insurance are paying for the uninsured anyway. Besides are who is going pass a law that says emergency rooms don't have to treat matters of life and death insurance or not? No one.
What say you?