Help Me Learn About Somalia!

Flash said:
You realize that's in Mogadishu, right? Please look at the map I posted above.
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Yeah , I knew where it was , the attack that day was in the Capital. They ( al Shabab )are pretty well in control of the entire capital now except for a few blocks .
 
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It looks like the Ethiopian government is sucessfully stopping the Al-Shabaab from spreading.

"Intervention isn't the solution to terrorism it is the cause of terrorism." -- Pat Buchanan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shabaab
 
M House said:
Seriously Somalia is a shithole. I talked to someone who went there. Do you honestly think it's a good place to vacation? The guy nearly died of a mortar.
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oyarde said:
Just out of curiosity , why was he there ? business ?
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M House said:
I forget the explanation he was part of our military and this was after the black-hawk down fiasco. As usual when shit hits the fan, we still leave people in these places. He's now somewhat disabled but was wearing some body armor.
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Just an observation. If you're in a country where people recently had a bad experience with the U.S. military, you might not want to walk around looking like a member of the U.S. military.
 
More bad news I got Friday for the Somalia populance . Drought is killing off the cattle . Basically without the cattle and milk , the famine will go from bad to completely dire . Only reliable food source gone.
 
jmdrake said:
Just an observation. If you're in a country where people recently had a bad experience with the U.S. military, you might not want to walk around looking like a member of the U.S. military.
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It is not safe for anyone , whatever appearance ....
 
Recent bump to old thread ... I thought maybe I had missed a chipin and the chap was reporting back to share his first hand story of what he learned on his trip.
 
The US government bombed Somalis a few of days ago... KILLING DOZENS

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/187978.html

US drone strikes kill dozens in Somalia
Thu Jul 7, 2011 8:49AM

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American Predator drone firing two Hellfire missiles (file photo)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire

Dozens of al-Shabab fighter have reportedly been killed after the US military used remote-controlled unmanned aerial vehicles to target their bases in southern Somalia.

The US drone attacks were carried out late on Wednesday in Dhoobley and Afmadow towns located near Kismayo, capital of the lower Juba region and a port city located some 500 kilometers (310 miles) south of the Somali capital of Mogadishu, said Somalia's Deputy Defense Minister Abdirashid Mohamed Hidig, quoted in a report by a Press TV correspondent.

The fresh US drone strike comes as the Americans carried out another drone attack in Somalia two weeks ago, The Washington Post reported.

The drone strike reportedly targeted two high-ranking members of al-Shabab militant group that allegedly had "direct ties" to what the US describes as 'anti-American cleric' Anwar Al Awlaki, a US-born citizen of Yemeni descent who is on the CIA's list of 'suspected terrorists' and reportedly hiding in Yemen.

In October 2009, al-Shabab fighters claimed they had shot down a US drone aircraft flying over Kismayo, a port town located some 500 kilometers (310 miles) south of the Somali capital, Mogadishu.

Drone attacks in Somalia make the lawless state the sixth country where the US military has used remote-controlled aircraft to conduct such lethal strikes.

The United States has now employed drones in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Iraq and Yemen to launch aerial bombings.

Somalia has been without a functioning government since 1991, when warlords overthrew former dictator Mohamed Siad Barre.

Strategically located in the Horn of Africa, Somalia remains one of the countries generating the highest number of refugees and internally displaced persons in the world.

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oyarde said:
I am probably in agreement with you , I do not think anyone plans to vacation there.I do think people are curious about the place .If you hang around here for awhile ,somebody may be able to convince you it is a "paradise" : )
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Yeah, anyone who thinks somalia is a paradise is pretty nuts...

Whats so fascinating about somalia isn't that people think it is a paradise, but that trends in mortality, economic well being, access to basic needs, access to wants, are all experiencing positive outcomes as opposed to the negative effects during its tenure in government. Its not that somalia is better than the U.S, but that stateless somalia is significantly better than the somalia under the state. Its not that somalia is better than Europe, but that stateless somalia is beginning and continuing to surpassing its neighboring governments in many areas. It is that stateless somalia is experiencing positive trends in all socio-economic facets of its stateless society that makes it so "great" to libertarians tickled by the idea that all these trends are likely the result of the Xeer in somalia. The Xeer is a system of law embedded in somali culture that is very considerate of property rights and closely related to something you would read out of a book written by an anarco-capitalist.

Because law exists despite the absence of the state, and prosperity is increasing despite the absence of the state, it proves a source of optimism for many anarchists and libertarians who can't help but think "what if the UN stopped mucking around?, what will it be in 10 more years, 20?"

Yesterday somalia was shit in the corner of a cage. Today it is a shit whole. Tomorrow, it may just be a shit covered latrine. But it shows promise for the future, and gives us ideas for tomorrow. Thats what makes it so interesting, you'd almost swear I was trying to tell you its a paradise... But really I'm not, just read the second sentence of this paragraph.

Thats just my 2 cent
 
I imagine , by now that refugee camp across the Somalia border is probably the largest in the world.....
 
A response I get about Ron Paul sometimes is "if you want to be a libertarian go to Somalia"
 
Nor have they probably been anywhere that is run by militant groups and people drop dead routinely from starvation .
 
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