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[FacelessJoe]

Ron Paul believes that if we get out of the war, we can get rid of income tax. But what about the military people who have veteran benefits? My mother believes that if we cut income tax, then we will lose our benefits. Help me help us.


Thanks

 

[Mini-Me]

I'm about to eat, so I don't actually have the time to do much research, but I do know one thing:

Ron Paul is very critical of the poor treatment our veterans get, and I know he is outspoken about making things better for them. One of the biggest messages of Ron Paul is to cut spending in unnecessary and wasteful areas so we can not only severely cut taxes and balance the budget but also have money to pay for the things we actually should be paying for (but currently neglect), like a proper national defense, veterans' benefits, paying off the debt, and fulfilling our social security promise to those who have already paid in.

Really quickly, here's his "issues" page on veterans.

 

[Signzit]

tell her; her taxes do not go to the troops active service or retired.

her taxes go servicing the interest on the National Debt.

Her taxes don't pay for 1 social service, not roads, not military, not schools not any single service you may enjoy.

 

[Signzit]

make her sit down and watch this movie from Aaron Russo


Freedom to Fascism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...304&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

[FacelessJoe]

Well, my father works for a certain company that runs servers and such, which works for the government. Does no funding from income tax go here?

 

[jclay2]

If we did cut the income tax, we would also have to cut government spending. One of the worst places to cut government spending would be from the veterans. They have protected our country and deserve nothing but the best from us. Now the programs that NEED to be cut our a majority of the social welfare programs. Together, I think social welfare in this country is like 55-65% of the budget.

 

[Signzit]

Well, my father works for a certain company that runs servers and such, which works for the government. Does no funding from income tax go here?

NONE!


watch the movie and you will understand

 

[Zippyjuan]

In the 2008 budget proposal, Bush has requested aproximately $200 billion for the Iraq war. Income tax receipts were about $1.3 trillion. If you could get rid of another $1 trillion in spending then you might be able to get rid of the income tax. Money for soldiers and veterans might be included if such cuts were to be enacted. Since 9/11 a total of $691 billion has officially been spent on the wars.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20080123-1142-iraq-usa-spending.html

Mr Paul has said he does not want to cut spending on things like Social Security or Medicaid so he probably would not want to cut pay to veterans either. But if you don't cut them (social spending- not just veteran's monies) you would have to elimintate every item in the budget including much of your defense spending to be able to cut enough money go get rid of the income tax. I agree they should be taken care of.

I tried to take a look at the numbers in this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=107945

Just getting out of the war will not even save us enough money to balance the current budget- let alone cut any taxes. The budget deficit is higher than the war spending is for the current year's budget.

 

[Agora]

tell her; her taxes do not go to the troops active service or retired.

her taxes go servicing the interest on the National Debt.

Her taxes don't pay for 1 social service, not roads, not military, not schools not any single service you may enjoy.

tell her - they just keep printing money and making more &more people poor.
as simple as that.

 

[fisharmor]

http://www.devvy.com/notax.html
This is a good primer on the idea.

The thing nobody realizes is the truly astronomical numbers involved here.
Take the farm bill: over $280 BILLION in 2007.

The guy who founded my employer, a software company, is the son of an investment banker, and the company has been growing 25% per year since 2000, and I know he doesn't need the company at all financially. He lives on a gigantic historic farm in semi-rural Virginia next to Robert Duvall. It's the type of area where the residents decide whether they want to spend the afternoon riding horses or driving the Bentley.

He gets $3000 per year from the federal government not to grow corn.

Just to give you an idea: $280 billion is so much money that if you stacked $1 bills on top of each other, the stack would extend 75,992 miles into space.

If you were to put $1 bills end-to-end, you could reach to the moon and back over 56 times, or around the equator over 1064 times.

 

[Truth-Bringer]

Ron Paul believes that if we get out of the war, we can get rid of income tax. But what about the military people who have veteran benefits? My mother believes that if we cut income tax, then we will lose our benefits. Help me help us.


Thanks

Joe,
We've been talking about this on another thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=113254