Help me debate my friend

FacelessJoe

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Ok, well, my friend and I have been debating on whether or not Ron Paul or McCain would be a better choice this is what he has to say:

Ok, so I didn't know how to approach what I wanted to do, which was critique it, I guess. So, I'm just gonna give my personal take and opinion on where Paul and McCain are right or wrong.

"Taxes/Economy: McCain has got Paul here. Paul says he doesn't want to raise taxes, and he wants to cut spending, but he doesn't say how. He says, "We need a new method to prioritize our spending. It’s called the Constitution of the United States." What is that supposed to mean? To the average American (who seems to know little about constitutionality these days) that's more political garbage...He needs to highlight what he's really gonna do besides saying he'll cut spending. McCain gives definite plans, such as banning internet taxes, new cell phone taxes, and repealing the national gas tax (18.4 cents) from memorial to labor day. He also has specific plans for the irs and a new tax system.

Immigration: This is kind of a toss-up...Paul has the right ideas, but he's far less realistic. There's no way we will be able to remove 20 million illegal immigrants, and I wouldn't help him do it anyways. From a personal standpoint, America was founded on those "constitutional principles" that Paul talks about, but to take away people's chances to immigrate-we have to integrate. The constitution was created to ensure the rights of people to come into America and seek a better life. McCain's not much better. He doesn't really say what he will do with the illegals.

National Security: Both are good one this one for the most part. Paul has it down right when he says that we must control the visas. He also is right in saying that we must focus on finding Bin Laden and the other terrorists. However, as America has always done, when we invade or attack a country, as part of our kindness and responsibility as a national power we help rebuild and renew. Ignoring both of their stances on WMD's (you know where I stand on that), McCain has better planning for what to do. He wants a missile defense (greatly ease the stress of launching fighter jets to cover important areas for stupid "emergency intrusions"), and he wants to increase our military the right way through better technology and more incentives for the Army and Marines to gain recruits.
Subnote: You know how I feel on Paul's idea of pulling out...If he were to listen to the RIGHT people (aka the Generals in charge, not the retired or "advisory" ones, it would still require taking a while to pull out. McCain has made it clear he wants that too.


Education: I must admit, Paul has McCain in a stranglehold on this one. Granted McCain has no background with education, but that's no excuse. Paul's plan for vouchers, educational freedom, and the idea to put the schools back in state control is brilliant.

Life: This is the last and probably one of the most controversial topics within politics, and neither candidate really disappoints, but Paul doesn't elaborate the way I would like him to. Paul obviously does not support abortion. That's great. But what about everything else? Stem cell research, gay marriage, and child pornography (while this isn't a specific "life" issue-it is important none the less). McCain is surprisingly more pro-life than expected-he wants to promote adoption (did you know he adopted a child from Mother Theresa's orphanage? pretty cool), he is against gay marriage, and he is even against embryonic stem cell research.

Overall, I suspect my bias may have swayed me more towards McCain, and I honestly admit it. However, I still think that he is a strong candidate to consider, and he would be the lesser of two evils if facing Obama. I just researched Obama's site, and he has nothing on abortion or stem-cell research, and he's a big advocate of gay-marriage. So, that's my take on everything. Let me know what you think."

So that is what he says. I'm desperately trying to get him away from McCain, and with your help I just might be able to. So what say you?
 
Your friend has not heard the message. I would suggest sending him to the RP library if you can get him to go. RP has been very specific on all of these issues.
 
Ok, well, my friend and I have been debating on whether or not Ron Paul or McCain would be a better choice this is what he has to say:

Ok, so I didn't know how to approach what I wanted to do, which was critique it, I guess. So, I'm just gonna give my personal take and opinion on where Paul and McCain are right or wrong.

Overall, I suspect my bias may have swayed me more towards McCain, and I honestly admit it. However, I still think that he is a strong candidate to consider, and he would be the lesser of two evils if facing Obama. I just researched Obama's site, and he has nothing on abortion or stem-cell research, and he's a big advocate of gay-marriage. So, that's my take on everything. Let me know what you think."

So that is what he says. I'm desperately trying to get him away from McCain, and with your help I just might be able to. So what say you?

You'll have to start by defining right and wrong, I can clearly see that your right and wrong are extremely different from mine.

I'm sorry to say that neither you or your friend have been listening to Ron Paul's message. From a libertarian standpoint if one where to choose, Obama would be a better choice. See this article from Walter Block.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block99.html

"Taxes/Economy: McCain has got Paul here"

Wow, that's a good one. :eek:
 
Give him a copy of The Revolution. That is all the debating you'll need if he'll read it. Dare him to- that might work.
 
You'll have to start by defining right and wrong, I can clearly see that your right and wrong are extremely different from mine.

I'm sorry to say that neither you or your friend have been listening to Ron Paul's message. From a libertarian standpoint if one where to choose, Obama would be a better choice. See this article from Walter Block.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block99.html

"Taxes/Economy: McCain has got Paul here"

Wow, that's a good one. :eek:

These views are held by my friend alone, not myself.

I one hundred percent support Ron Paul.
 
"Taxes/Economy: McCain has got Paul here. Paul says he doesn't want to raise taxes, and he wants to cut spending, but he doesn't say how. He says, "We need a new method to prioritize our spending. It’s called the Constitution of the United States." What is that supposed to mean? To the average American (who seems to know little about constitutionality these days) that's more political garbage...He needs to highlight what he's really gonna do besides saying he'll cut spending. McCain gives definite plans, such as banning internet taxes, new cell phone taxes, and repealing the national gas tax (18.4 cents) from memorial to labor day. He also has specific plans for the irs and a new tax system.

Over the years, Paul has been very specific about his plans for taxes and the economy:

Taxes:
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=0
The Economy and Monetary Policy:
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=9

McCain is self-admittedly not very good at economics. We're currently in a deficit, and the economy is suffering because of it. McCain has all sorts of ideas about how to cut taxes without cutting spending, causing even more of a deficit and even more economic hardship. His idea about vetoing any bill that contains "pork barrel spending", which makes up all of 2% of the federal budget, is a drop in the bucket. What he doesn't understand is that it's our foreign policy that is killing our economy. Ron Paul is the only one that seems to correctly tie those together.

Immigration: This is kind of a toss-up...Paul has the right ideas, but he's far less realistic. There's no way we will be able to remove 20 million illegal immigrants, and I wouldn't help him do it anyways.

And, of course, he never said he would remove 20 million immigrants.. in fact, I recall him saying that you can't round up 20 million people and remove them, it's just not feasible. So I think your friend's interpretation of Ron Paul's immigration stance is wrong.

National Security: Both are good one this one for the most part. Paul has it down right when he says that we must control the visas. He also is right in saying that we must focus on finding Bin Laden and the other terrorists. However, as America has always done, when we invade or attack a country, as part of our kindness and responsibility as a national power we help rebuild and renew.

Yes, we have made this mistake many times in the past, and McCain is advocating that we make it again. Apparently, we learn nothing from history. We have never been effective at nation building; it's just a monetary sinkhole. It subordinates the government of that country to our government, and makes the people resentful of us. Regardless of our "kind and responsible" intentions, it's these actions that cause people to hate Americans.
 
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