help me argue with this Jewish guy

[giskard]

He is Jewish so he is pro-Israel.

Links I sent him:
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_doug_din_070516_ron_paul_2c_future_of_.htm

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=22422


His reply:
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Ron Paul- yeah right. He torpedoed any chance he had (nil) with the assertion 9/11 was our fault. The second article is idiotic and misses numerous other BS reasons cited by OBL for attacking US, including global warming, environmental desecration, and our lack of campaign-finance reform.

Read
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010080
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2UxMTFmMDc2NGEwMzllZjgwOGUwOWVkMGU3OGFkZDM

 

[ARealConservative]

Easy

Remind him that the rules of our government are centered around individual liberty and not compassionate policing of the world.

Explain that we have free elections and history shows American's don't have the stomach for prolonged war when national defense isn't directly involved. Use countless examples of this. Vietnam, Korea, etc, etc.

Make him explain how a policy of intervention can succeed when American's foreign policy change direction every 2-6 years. Ask him if he would accept a fundemental change in the rules of our government in order to achieve a long term foreign strategy of nation building and what changes he would agree to in his pursuit of utopia.

Ask him what kind of message it will send the islamists when America turns her back on Iraq mid-stream (as it certainly appears will happen eventually)

Most importantly, remember that it isn't just this person you are trying to convince, it is anybody else reading the debate. Put the pressure on him to explain his interventionist policy and watch him fold under the strain. He might be too biased to see the weakness of his position, but others won't be.

 

[Horace]

Most importantly, remember that it isn't just this person you are trying to convince, it is anybody else reading the debate. Put the pressure on him to explain his interventionist policy and watch him fold under the strain. He might be too biased to see the weakness of his position, but others won't be.

Very good point. The odds are good that you will never "convert" anyone, in the sense of them switching from being opposed to Paul to supporting Paul. However, you may recruit people who currently have no opinion on Paul. That's why, even when you know you have zero chance of a rational discussion with an opponent, you should still stay on the high road, be polite, be respectful, and examine each of your arguments before you put it forward as if you'll have to back it later with someone honestly interested in Paul. Because you will.

Good luck!

 

[4Horsemen]

Don't waste your time with him. I guess the Irish should have pressured the government to send billions of dollars, and guns, tanks, nuclear weapons to assist with fighting the British oppression. I don't recall anybody in my family advocating this, I wonder why?

 

[cujothekitten]

Oh where to begin...

"He torpedoed any chance he had (nil) with the assertion 9/11 was our fault"

Well he didn't assurt that 9/11 was our fault. He mentioned our own governments findings on the contributing factors of the attack.

9/11 commision report and other resources for those facts:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340101/
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0623/dailyUpdate.html

Hit him up with the fact that Israel isn't America and it isn't our job to protect them. They have weapons and a strong intelligence force... they can take care of themselves.

 

[Brandybuck]

The US can be friends with Israel without getting into an "entangling alliance". Israel is a grown up country, a democracy, and supposedly a free nation.

Stop sending them our tax funded foreign aid, but put no restrictions on private donations to Israel. Stop supplying them with arms, but put no restrictions on private sales of arms to Israel. Stop promising to come to their rescue if their sabre rattling backfires, but put no restrictions on private individuals going to their aid.

 

[furface]

>>>Stop sending them our tax funded foreign aid, but put no restrictions on private donations to Israel. Stop supplying them with arms, but put no restrictions on private sales of arms to Israel. Stop promising to come to their rescue if their sabre rattling backfires, but put no restrictions on private individuals going to their aid.<<<

Are you nuts? That would require the guy's friend to put his own money where his idiot mouth is. He'd rather spend your's and mine. Israel is what's called a "cleptocracy," a country created for the sole purpose of theft. If it's not stealing from Palestinians, it's stealing from Americans or Europeans. That's the country's purpose.

Figure it out. The friend would have to accept the fact that he has supported a criminal position in order to become rational again. That ain't gonna happen unless he's really open to new ideas, which obviously he isn't.