Help make this go viral: Kokesh on the presidential candidates and supporting the troops

PaulConventionWV said:
Also, even if you are over 50 on this forum, that doesn't make an accurate sample of voters in America. If you are over 50 and you are on ANY forum on the internet, you are a rarity. Please try to keep things in context when you go saying how you are old and you like this. You are not an accurate sample because you are already interested in Ron Paul.
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The point is? You answered it for yourself. Older people who are not on the internet won't see it.

I can't see anyone watching this who still has a heart blaming anyone but the current policies and our own apathy. Otherwise, they may not be reachable anyway. Yes, you might get some who will agree with some of Ron Paul's policies, but they are the ones that are going to vote Romney and you are only going to get them to go for Paul if they see he has a chance of winning. Let's get more support through hard truth and take more caucuses and hopefully more media coverage (Fox declared RP won Lousiana today).

The media is what those people are listening to that would be offended by this video.

MAKE YOUR OWN VERSION OF THIS VIDEO (Voice over) and pass it around !
 
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PaulConventionWV said:
Little to no avail? Tell me how Ron Paul did in 2008, then tell me how he did in 2012 and tell me there is no evidence of improvement. I dare you.
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(1) look at the exit poll cross tabs. We're still not breaking into the groups you're pandering to. Our numbers are growing in the young and middle aged, the independents, and the working class. We're still getting horrible results from the people you're telling us we need to change our behavior for.

(2) how's the election results looking? Sure we're 4x as big this year, but we're still not winning in the popular polls.

So I'll grant you that there has been growth. But you haven't proved that your pandering methods are more effective than Kokesh's "shock" method. If your method was the cause, wouldn't we expect to see more old, retired, religious growth? But we instead see growth in the Internet-age crowd.
 
I'm glad the title of the video was changed. That makes it more effective and more likely for someone to watch it long enough to see the message.
 
If Ron Paul is the choice of the troops why doesn't he get the most votes from the military for the primaries? Why does the military send millions of dollars to his pro-war opponents during the GENERAL ELECTION but only sends Ron Paul a few hundred thousand during the PRIMARIES? If the troops really supported Ron Paul that much more of them would become liberty activists like Adam Kokesh.
 
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Adam is awesome. I don't know who I like better Adam or Alex Jones. AJ I listen too every night .. Adam needs an Android App for AVTM .. then I can listen to my 2 favorite man every night. Whoaa
 
ClydeCoulter said:
The point is? You answered it for yourself. Older people who are not on the internet won't see it.

I can't see anyone watching this who still has a heart blaming anyone but the current policies and our own apathy. Otherwise, they may not be reachable anyway. Yes, you might get some who will agree with some of Ron Paul's policies, but they are the ones that are going to vote Romney and you are only going to get them to go for Paul if they see he has a chance of winning. Let's get more support through hard truth and take more caucuses and hopefully more media coverage (Fox declared RP won Lousiana today).

The media is what those people are listening to that would be offended by this video.

MAKE YOUR OWN VERSION OF THIS VIDEO (Voice over) and pass it around !
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Old people won't see the video unless we go out of our way to show it to them, which I am discouraging.
 
Feeding the Abscess said:
Ron wanted the grassroots to handle the campaign ads. He says so himself in the interview I posted in this thread. I guess he's insane, too.
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Well, to be honest, I don't know why he would want the grassroots to handle the ads. He may wish he were able to do that but still see reality. At any rate, I don't see what the problem is with having professionals do the ads. What's so special about giving the grassroots sway in this kind of stuff? They're just ads. Some of them may be good, others may be really bad.
 
mczerone said:
(1) look at the exit poll cross tabs. We're still not breaking into the groups you're pandering to. Our numbers are growing in the young and middle aged, the independents, and the working class. We're still getting horrible results from the people you're telling us we need to change our behavior for.

(2) how's the election results looking? Sure we're 4x as big this year, but we're still not winning in the popular polls.

So I'll grant you that there has been growth. But you haven't proved that your pandering methods are more effective than Kokesh's "shock" method. If your method was the cause, wouldn't we expect to see more old, retired, religious growth? But we instead see growth in the Internet-age crowd.
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Well, first of all, you would have to show that Kokesh's ideas are more effective, considering the Youtube audience has already been combed over time and time again by Ron Paul videos and ads. Also, we are making some progress in the older groups. Not a terrible lot, but guess what, the older groups are going to be gone the soonest and make way for younger, more fervent Ron Paul supporter types. Also, I blame this on the stubbornness of the old person. I think most of those older ones would stay their ground regardless of what method was used to try to attract them.

As for the second point, the media is responsible for that. We're not winning in the popular polls not because of any major failure on our part, but because it is nearly impossible to break through all the media bias, as well as overcome some bias in the actual results themselves (vote-rigging). It's easy to expect more than is reasonable, so I would just advise you to be reasonable in your expectations because this can't be done overnight. We just need to keep the steady progress rolling, and right now, it is. No different approaches are going to get us overnight results. Be careful about the mindset you approach this with because you may be expecting way too many results, way too soon, and that way, it's easy to get discouraged.
 
If people are more concerned about their sensibilities over words, rather than the emotions being poured out by troops, and Adam Kokesh. They're a prime example of people who would not defend freedom, because they're self-absorbed, and only for their interests.
 
In a couple of days, I'll take my weekly ride over to the flight line to do some volunteer work. Although I deal mostly with families, I always notice the young people, many on their first deployment. Most of them have been en route here for at least 20 hours.They all sit together and get read the "riot act" about what they can and can't bring onto the island: porn DVDs, rare animal products, cookies bought at Yokota Air Base. They get their duffle bags, go through customs and go out, where they put their bags on a truck and load a bus to go to lodging.
Meanwhile, families are collecting their luggage and being greeted by their sponsors, who help them adjust, find housing, cars, etc.
Sometimes I want to say, "Welcome to 'Bali Hai'. You'll be working hard, but enjoy the peace and safety here before you are soon sent into harm's way."
Maybe they would be offended and confused by the language use in this video, too. But twelve months from now...even if they maintain their personal standards for expletive use, they WILL understand.
 
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