Help make this go viral: Kokesh on the presidential candidates and supporting the troops

Adam Kokesh's approach?

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Who has their head op their ass? Someone like Kokesh who is organizing larger and larger events promoting liberty, or those who have continued to use the same "play nice" tactics to win over the GOP regulars to little to no avail?

Disagree with this video? Fine. Make one that you think is better, and we'll let the market decide who was right.
 
Let me go out on a limb here. I'm guessing most of you who are in strong support of this video are very young people. Using that kind of language may work well in your circles, but, in general, it runs away older Americans. You know, the people in the Republican Party that we are trying to sway.

So while using this language may help YOU get YOUR frustration out, it will do very little to sway any Republicans. The same video could have been made without this foul-mouth language and it would have been much more powerful and also would then be something we could share with Americans whose mouths do not reside in the toilet.
 
Who has their head op their ass? Someone like Kokesh who is organizing larger and larger events promoting liberty, or those who have continued to use the same "play nice" tactics to win over the GOP regulars to little to no avail?

Disagree with this video? Fine. Make one that you think is better, and we'll let the market decide who was right.

Woah, I'm already in agreement with Kokesh. I"m saying that Adam is saying to others, "Nice try, but if you vote Obamney your head is up your ass" :)
Adams approach toward others :)
 
Let me go out on a limb here. I'm guessing most of you who are in strong support of this video are very young people. Using that kind of language may work well in your circles, but, in general, it runs away older Americans. You know, the people in the Republican Party that we are trying to sway.

So while using this language may help YOU get YOUR frustration out, it will do very little to sway any Republicans. The same video could have been made without this foul-mouth language and it would have been much more powerful and also would then be something we could share with Americans whose mouths do not reside in the toilet.

Really? I'm 57 and I enjoyed and was moved by this video.

You must not be around many older carpenters or Iron workers or .........the common folk/voters.
 
The same video could have been made without this foul-mouth language and it would have been much more powerful and also would then be something we could share with Americans whose mouths do not reside in the toilet.
It would be very easy to replace the audio with your own voice over. I encourage you to do that; I do agree that it would improve the video for me and for many people (though not all). Doing is better than griping.
 
Let me go out on a limb here. I'm guessing most of you who are in strong support of this video are very young people. Using that kind of language may work well in your circles, but, in general, it runs away older Americans. You know, the people in the Republican Party that we are trying to sway.

So while using this language may help YOU get YOUR frustration out, it will do very little to sway any Republicans. The same video could have been made without this foul-mouth language and it would have been much more powerful and also would then be something we could share with Americans whose mouths do not reside in the toilet.

You may be right, but I am sure there are some young people that it would offend too. Not all young people are raised around such language or have friends who use such language even today. All that has to be done is to use some milder language and the point is still made without some people automatically dismissing it because of the language. By keeping such language in it Kokesh is basically telling all those that don't like his choice of words to "fuck off." That is not the way to influence people and win elections.
 
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Really? I'm 57 and I enjoyed and was moved by this video.

You must not be around many older carpenters or Iron workers or .........the common folk/voters.

I am around a lot of voters, but admittedly most are white collar. I am also around a lot of women, as I am one. You know, I have seen a lot of blathering on here about why women do not support Ron Paul. Do you honestly think using the F word in videos supposedly promoting Ron Paul, in addition to hating on God, Christians, etc., that I have seen on here, will win them over? Do you REALLY? :rolleyes:
 
I am around a lot of voters, but admittedly most are white collar. I am also around a lot of women, as I am one. You know, I have seen a lot of blathering on here about why women do not support Ron Paul. Do you honestly think using the F word in videos supposedly promoting Ron Paul, in addition to hating on God, Christians, etc., that I have seen on here, will win them over? Do you REALLY? :rolleyes:

There are a lot of demographics, this video fits some, not all.
A lot of the women around here? I don't hold a candle to their language, but some of them are strong in their opinions, in fact, very strong and maybe that's why they use the language they do, this is for them as well.
 
How is he not correct? I've felt like this more than once when people tell me they support Romney or (God forbid) Obama. To be honest at this point I could care less how the rest of the GOP feels. Instead of doing any actual research on a candidate and choosing the best one they just repeated every smear of RP and his supporters they heard on Fox News and fell in line behind Romney from the very beginning. How can I win over someone who won't even listen to me because they think they're the one who is right already and I'm a freedom hating anti-American?
 
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Let me go out on a limb here. I'm guessing most of you who are in strong support of this video are very young people. Using that kind of language may work well in your circles, but, in general, it runs away older Americans. You know, the people in the Republican Party that we are trying to sway.

So while using this language may help YOU get YOUR frustration out, it will do very little to sway any Republicans. The same video could have been made without this foul-mouth language and it would have been much more powerful and also would then be something we could share with Americans whose mouths do not reside in the toilet.

I'm not very young, but thanks for assuming.

I do remember being young, though, and going hunting with my grandpa. His senior friends used more profane language than anything I heard in my high school.

I do remember my great grandpa, a WWII veteran, using language that I couldn't repeat in my own home.

I do know my father-in-law, who strictly abstained from swearing in front of his minor children, uses all the words around his Vietnam-era brothers and sisters.

I also know middle-aged pastors who use this language in context - they know that it's not an affront to God to vent frustration, as long as your frustration is not directed toward God.

I don't think that this language is going to drive many people away. And it's a fools-errand to continue to try to appease these people, especially when we are only working with a stereotypical caricature of the group.

I disagree that this video could have been made as powerful without the "f" word. It's a word that evokes reaction. Using "screw" or "jip" just wouldn't have conveyed the same atrocity that Obama or Romney promise to undertake.

My "mouth" does not "reside in the toilet". But that doesn't mean that strong language doesn't have a very specific purpose.

Again, go make a better video. I'm sure Kokesh wouldn't even mind if you used his imagery.
 
I didn't say to say "what are you stupid?"

I said to say "Santorum wanted to fuck the troops (as do the others). Do you want to fuck the troops?"

It's finding common ground and giving them a good kick in the pants to show them that if they care about having a respected military, "American exceptionalism," and leaving their grandkids with any semblance of a well functioning economy, then they may have made a poor choice in the past.

We're not questioning their values or logic - in fact we're recognizing that their values and logic are sound. We're just curing their ignorance (which is not the same thing as stupidity). Certainly some people can be "cured" in different ways, and I support your efforts to do what you think is the most effective.

But I think that this type of video that doesn't say "fuck you" but says that Obama and Romney are the ones doing the fucking to your vaunted "troops" is a great way to jostle people from their misinformed quiescence regardless of their personal sensitivities.

It's the same kind of slanderous talk as saying "What are you stupid?" In fact, it's worse, because it IS slanderous. Telling people Santorum wanted to fuck the troops is disingenuous at best, then asking them if they want to fuck the troops just because, allegedly, that is what Santorum wants to do, is just downright stupid.
 
I am foreigner to you. I lived through war when I was 7 years old. I understand perfectly what he is talking about.

Person who came back from war. Friends dead and committing suicide. Having PTSP. Troubles sleeping. Cure: give him drugs that have side effect:SUICIDE. Sold by politicians for their interests.....

I said this before and I am saying it again: Every single project and Idea on this forum is spat on. If you dont like it dont be part of it. He put his soul and his heart on that video. Respect that. I do.

If you dont agree say it and let people who do work on it. You find project that yopu agree with and push that one.
 
It's better FOR HIM.

And anyway, if the campaign did this, and the "whole country [went] ballistic", would that be a bad thing? It would have been a massive media event, it would have left a lasting impression on people, and it would have made people think.

It would have made people reinforce their "patriotism." You should be careful about what you want the media to get their hands on. Just think the propaganda they could make with that story.
 
Who has their head op their ass? Someone like Kokesh who is organizing larger and larger events promoting liberty, or those who have continued to use the same "play nice" tactics to win over the GOP regulars to little to no avail?

Disagree with this video? Fine. Make one that you think is better, and we'll let the market decide who was right.

Little to no avail? Tell me how Ron Paul did in 2008, then tell me how he did in 2012 and tell me there is no evidence of improvement. I dare you.
 
How is he not correct? I've felt like this more than once when people tell me they support Romney or (God forbid) Obama. To be honest at this point I could care less how the rest of the GOP feels. Instead of doing any actual research on a candidate and choosing the best one they just repeated every smear of RP and his supporters they heard on Fox News and fell in line behind Romney from the very beginning. How can I win over someone who won't even listen to me because they think they're the one who is right already and I'm a freedom hating anti-American?
They don't even like Romney. They just want to "beat" Obama. The new rhetoric is, "I like Paul, but Romney is going to win the nomination, so I'm going to vote for him anyway."
 
I am foreigner to you. I lived through war when I was 7 years old. I understand perfectly what he is talking about.

Person who came back from war. Friends dead and committing suicide. Having PTSP. Troubles sleeping. Cure: give him drugs that have side effect:SUICIDE. Sold by politicians for their interests.....

I said this before and I am saying it again: Every single project and Idea on this forum is spat on. If you dont like it dont be part of it. He put his soul and his heart on that video. Respect that. I do.

If you dont agree say it and let people who do work on it. You find project that yopu agree with and push that one.

The point isn't whether Adam should have made the video. The point is whether we should help spread it around with the intention of acquiring votes with it. I love the video and the fact that Adam made it for the audience it is intended for. However, I don't think it is effective to spread it around and use it to try to convert voters. That makes Paul supporters and Ron Paul himself look bad. If someone happens to find it, then they won't readily associate it with any campaign.

The thing is, if people know that you and others are using this for the sole purpose of acquiring votes with it, they will think less of you for it because it shows that you can't relate effectively to them. People respect professionalism. If they stumble upon the video on Youtube,
1) they are much less likely to be an older person or a voter
2) they don't associate it with a campaign because they found it instead of it being shown to them by supporters of a particular candidate

Also, even if you are over 50 on this forum, that doesn't make an accurate sample of voters in America. If you are over 50 and you are on ANY forum on the internet, you are a rarity. Please try to keep things in context when you go saying how you are old and you like this. You are not an accurate sample because you are already interested in Ron Paul.
 
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