Help make this go viral: Kokesh on the presidential candidates and supporting the troops

[culvereric]

yeah, the retards that get offended at language like this are usually the 'good, upstanding folk' that support candidates that openly endorse throwing more and more of our kids overseas to die for pet projects that make them rich. but yeah, good point. we definitely wouldn't want to offend those guys

exactly....get over yourself and start judging people based on their actions

 

[helmuth_hubener]

This video would be a poison pill outside infowars and this site. If you think you're going to get converts with this you're out of your mind. Talk about cutting of your nose to spite your face, give me a break.

So make your own video. Problem solved.

I don't swear, period. But yet, I like this video. It has power. I don't know how he could have communicated powerfully the message he wanted to convey without being extremely "offensive." He could have used the word "screw" or something, but it still would have been extremely offensive.

Bottom line, this is a good video, and definitely not a video for everyone. I won't be forwarding it to my grandma. All the grandmas are going to be dead pretty soon anyway, though, so I don't know why everyone's so obsessed with converting them. Focus on the young and open-minded.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Thanks to the mod that changed the title, to something less offensive.... But this topic seems to be fairly hot, but still GrassRoots material.

 

[RickyJ]

All the grandmas are going to be dead pretty soon anyway, though, so I don't know why everyone's so obsessed with converting them.

You may not think it matters that much, but dead people have been voting for years after they die! Also we really don't have the luxury of time to wait for them to all die out, we need to win now, it is imperative to get Paul in there now in an attempt, and only an attempt, to save not only this nation but the world from the power structure that is hell bent on WW3.

 

[InTradePro]

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Powerful video. Shared on fb.

 

[Origanalist]

I will ask you, would Ron Paul make this video? Is this video about helping RP's campaign or your fury that the world refuses to bow before your superior intellect?

You are of course free to make it and promote it. And I'm free to disassociate myself from it.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I love the video and its message, but this is just not effective. You want truth? There's truth.

Imagine if the campaign made this video. The whole country would go ballistic. It's funny that Kokesh criticizes the campaign and then makes stuff like this, as if it were better.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

I love the video and its message, but this is just not effective. You want truth? There's truth.

Imagine if the campaign made this video. The whole country would go ballistic. It's funny that Kokesh criticizes the campaign and then makes stuff like this, as if it were better.

From what I've gathered, Kokesh wanted the campaign to promote Ron and his entirely unique record/message, not try to package it in a way that traditional Republicans would like. That criticism is consistent with the message in the video.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

You may not think it matters that much, but dead people have been voting for years after they die!

Good point. I truly hadn't thought of that. In light of your reminder, I recommend focusing on getting them to vote for your guy/issue after they are dead. It's an easier sell.

 

[Origanalist]

From what I've gathered, Kokesh wanted the campaign to promote Ron and his entirely unique record/message, not try to package it in a way that traditional Republicans would like. That criticism is consistent with the message in the video.

I'm sure Ron appreciates him deciding how the campaign should operate.

 

[mczerone]

Sorry, but that's the wrong approach.

Person 1: "I liked Santorum, who do you like?"
Person 2: "Santorum was a HORRIBLE choice, what are you stupid or something? I like Ron Paul."

Winning.

I didn't say to say "what are you stupid?"

I said to say "Santorum wanted to fuck the troops (as do the others). Do you want to fuck the troops?"

It's finding common ground and giving them a good kick in the pants to show them that if they care about having a respected military, "American exceptionalism," and leaving their grandkids with any semblance of a well functioning economy, then they may have made a poor choice in the past.

We're not questioning their values or logic - in fact we're recognizing that their values and logic are sound. We're just curing their ignorance (which is not the same thing as stupidity). Certainly some people can be "cured" in different ways, and I support your efforts to do what you think is the most effective.

But I think that this type of video that doesn't say "fuck you" but says that Obama and Romney are the ones doing the fucking to your vaunted "troops" is a great way to jostle people from their misinformed quiescence regardless of their personal sensitivities.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This video would be a poison pill outside infowars and this site. If you think you're going to get converts with this you're out of your mind. Talk about cutting of your nose to spite your face, give me a break.

I agree.

 

[mczerone]

I love the video and its message, but this is just not effective. You want truth? There's truth.

Imagine if the campaign made this video. The whole country would go ballistic. It's funny that Kokesh criticizes the campaign and then makes stuff like this, as if it were better.

It's better FOR HIM.

And anyway, if the campaign did this, and the "whole country [went] ballistic", would that be a bad thing? It would have been a massive media event, it would have left a lasting impression on people, and it would have made people think.

 

[LibertyEagle]

From what I've gathered, Kokesh wanted the campaign to promote Ron and his entirely unique record/message, not try to package it in a way that traditional Republicans would like. That criticism is consistent with the message in the video.

Paul didn't package the message in a way that conservatives would understand.

Kokesh is giving "advice" to Ron Paul? ROFLMAO. Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that Kokesh lost his own race very badly. Perhaps he shouldn't be giving "advice" to anyone as to how best to run a campaign. Ya think?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

I'm sure Ron appreciates him deciding how the campaign should operate.

According to Ron's own words, Ron wanted the campaign ads to be made by the grassroots:

http://antiwar.com/radio/2011/04/23/rep-ron-paul-17/

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Paul didn't package the message in a way that conservatives would understand.

Kokesh is giving "advice" to Ron Paul? ROFLMAO. Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that Kokesh lost his own race very badly. Perhaps he shouldn't be giving "advice" to anyone as to how best to run a campaign. Ya think?

Ron didn't, but the campaign attempted to.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I didn't say to say "what are you stupid?"

I said to say "Santorum wanted to fuck the troops (as do the others). Do you want to fuck the troops?"

It's finding common ground and giving them a good kick in the pants to show them that if they care about having a respected military, "American exceptionalism," and leaving their grandkids with any semblance of a well functioning economy, then they may have made a poor choice in the past.

We're not questioning their values or logic - in fact we're recognizing that their values and logic are sound. We're just curing their ignorance (which is not the same thing as stupidity). Certainly some people can be "cured" in different ways, and I support your efforts to do what you think is the most effective.

But I think that this type of video that doesn't say "fuck you" but says that Obama and Romney are the ones doing the fucking to your vaunted "troops" is a great way to jostle people from their misinformed quiescence regardless of their personal sensitivities.

Adam Kokesh's message to others?

 

[mczerone]

I will ask you, would Ron Paul make this video? Is this video about helping RP's campaign or your fury that the world refuses to bow before your superior intellect?

You are of course free to make it and promote it. And I'm free to disassociate myself from it.

It can help RP without being something that RP himself would do. That's the power of the grassroots - we are free from political and FEC restrictions, and we can be more audacious.

Second, it's not about getting people to "bow before your superior intellect" - it's precisely the opposite. It's about appealing to others' intellects - that if they cared for the troops and wanted to have a strong national defense, then they can reason on their own that a vote for Obama or Romney is counterproductive.

I'm glad you're free to disassociate from it, but you might just be missing the boat.

 

[LibertyEagle]

According to Ron's own words, Ron wanted the campaign ads to be made by the grassroots:

http://antiwar.com/radio/2011/04/23/rep-ron-paul-17/

If he wanted that, he would have instructed HIS CAMPAIGN thusly. So, clearly he did not.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Someone have a link to Adam? Perhaps suggest a modification to the video that says "Romney/Obama" are doing the fucking?