Help lay out the case: DNA by warrant only.

[Anti Federalist]

How is DNA any different from Fingerprints?

(I really really hope you'll be able to overcome my Devil's Advocate response...)

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[GunnyFreedom]

Thanks AF. Looks like it will pass but by a smaller margin than the original law. The original was something like 83 to 35. We will see shortly

 

[DamianTV]

How did it go?

I've always been a privacy advocate, which has not always been beneficial to my Rep around here. It also seems there are a lot of misconceptions. Such as the 4th Amendment ending at ones front door. And although Privacy is not specified, the US Supreme Court interprets the Right to Privacy as a Penumbra Right of the 4th Amendment.

Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

For some reason, people appear to think that because there are specific words, such as "Houses" is listed, it is misinterpreted as that particular Right ends when you leave your "House". It doesnt. I also believe that Government Tracking of people everywhere they go is about as serious of a violation in their Rights as one can get. If they didnt get a Warrant, they have no legal recourse to use Traffic License Plate Cams to track everything a person does. I also do not believe that leaving your house properly establishes Probable Cause.

We have the Right to Privacy In Public as much as we do In Private.

I also fully believe that DNA Warrants need to be handled on a case by case basis, and in no way should ever be globalized for one type of particular crime. Once they start going for a specific type of people, they will end up with everyone. First they started with the Jews, but I did not stick up for them, then they went after the smokers, I didnt stick up for them either, then they went for the fatties, I didnt stick up for them either because Im not fat, now they are coming after me, and there is no one left to stick up for me. I believe that for a warrant to be issued for DNA, I believe that DNA should not be admissable as evidence in other unrelated cases against the individual.

DNA Databases and Tracking is one step short of required biometric implants. If we allow the DNA Door to be opened, it wont be long before the Implanted Tracking Chips will follow.

Then we get the people who think that its no big deal to let anyone track you (that includes government, corporations, and crooks, even if the line between them is getting blurred). If they can track you anywhere and everywhere, they WILL find something they can make money off of you. Got your DNA? Well, there goes your Medical Insurance because your DNA shows a higher risk of some type of made up disease, or an actual one that is not genetic based.

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What I am more concerned about right now at the moment is how well Gunny did...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Still debating. Dems arguing it costs too much. Police arguing we need this big government for the children of course.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Voting now. 73 - 44 passed.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Voting now. 73 - 44 passed.

Ugh...and the noose tightens a little more.

Be proud you did what you could.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Thanks again AF. what was even more sick than the bill itself was listening to all those Republicans argue, "we need this big government program for the children. It's for the children so vote for it. You do care about children don't you?"

 

[GunnyFreedom]

OK, it was 83-21 in 2009-2010 under a Dem House, now it's 73-44 in 2011-2012 in a GOP House. Lost 10 yes, and gained 23 no.

 

[DamianTV]

Voting now. 73 - 44 passed.

Terrorists and Politicians take children hostage and hide behind them.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

OK, it was 83-21 in 2009-2010 under a Dem House, now it's 73-44 in 2011-2012 in a GOP House. Lost 10 yes, and gained 23 no.

We had 20% "no" in 2010, 38% "no" in 2011. In one year, the 'no' vote grew by 18%. There were other contributing factors, but if we can make that 51% "no" by 2013, we can kill this DNA on Arrest nonsense in NC and demand a proper warrant for DNA, which is all of our right as Americans.

 

[tpreitzel]

Terrorists and Politicians take children hostage and hide behind them.

Yep, so both groups must be related cowards ....

 

[tpreitzel]

We had 20% "no" in 2010, 38% "no" in 2011. In one year, the 'no' vote grew by 18%. There were other contributing factors, but if we can make that 51% "no" by 2013, we can kill this DNA on Arrest nonsense in NC and demand a proper warrant for DNA, which is all of our right as Americans.

IF political trends remain relatively consistent, but events can change rather quickly ... unfortunately. Your work is not only directly beneficial for the great folks in NC, but also indirectly beneficial for the rest of the country. Thanks

 

[Anti Federalist]

Terrorists and Politicians take children hostage and hide behind them.

Yep, so both groups must be related cowards ....

And both hate us for our freedoms.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I have two mp3 files that contain last night's and last week's sessions, with the exact time stamps when debate begins and when I speak and stop speaking. Without turning it into a YouTube, what's the easiest way to chop out the good bits and share them?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

IF political trends remain relatively consistent, but events can change rather quickly ... unfortunately. Your work is not only directly beneficial for the great folks in NC, but also indirectly beneficial for the rest of the country. Thanks

I know, I know, it's a shoulder shoving the giant ship kinda "it's moving guys! keep pushing" yell

 

[GunnyFreedom]

For those who want to download 7 and a half hours of mind-popping numbskullery just to get at the good bits, the NCGA audio archive is here:

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/Docu...sFolderName=/2011-2012 Session/Audio Archives

Last week Thursday's session is here:

http://www.ncleg.net/DocumentSites/HouseDocuments/2011-2012 Session/Audio Archives/04-28-2011.mp3

Last night's session (Monday) is here:

http://www.ncleg.net/DocumentSites/HouseDocuments/2011-2012 Session/Audio Archives/05-02-2011.mp3

on Thursday debate started at 2:53:50 and I started at 2:55:35 and went to 2:58:01 (not my finest hour)
on Monday I started at 1:24:06 and went to 1:26:00 (a bit better)

Those are pretty big files so don't tax the NCGA server too much heh. Hopefully I can get a simple solution for cutting the good bits out of that MP3 and just sharing it in an easy fashion without making YouTubes, or if it has to be a YouTube, I just don't have the time or the graphics library anymore to do it right.

 

[Anti Federalist]

One should never watch sausage or laws being made. LoL

For those who want to download 7 and a half hours of mind-popping numbskullery just to get at the good bits, the NCGA audio archive is here:

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/Docu...sFolderName=/2011-2012 Session/Audio Archives

Last week Thursday's session is here:

http://www.ncleg.net/DocumentSites/HouseDocuments/2011-2012 Session/Audio Archives/04-28-2011.mp3

Last night's session (Monday) is here:

http://www.ncleg.net/DocumentSites/HouseDocuments/2011-2012 Session/Audio Archives/05-02-2011.mp3

on Thursday debate started at 2:53:50 and I started at 2:55:35 and went to 2:58:01 (not my finest hour)
on Monday I started at 1:24:06 and went to 1:26:00 (a bit better)

Those are pretty big files so don't tax the NCGA server too much heh. Hopefully I can get a simple solution for cutting the good bits out of that MP3 and just sharing it in an easy fashion without making YouTubes, or if it has to be a YouTube, I just don't have the time or the graphics library anymore to do it right.

 

[Bman]

Gunny, if you can tell me what minute marks from the audio file you want edited I could always do that for you. As far as posting I'm not sure the best place, but you could always throw up a youtube with a simple background.

Here, something like this.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Gunny, if you can tell me what minute marks from the audio file you want edited I could always do that for you. As far as posting I'm not sure the best place, but you could always throw up a youtube with a simple background.

Here, something like this.

Thanks, I'll come up with something to YouTube it. Stock imagery with DNA, maybe a palm-scanner and a riot cop hinting at where this could go. Shots of James Madison on the Constitutional arguments.. argh. I need 2 of me.

04-28-2011.mp3 debate started at 2:53:50 and I started at 2:55:35 and went to 2:58:01 (not my finest hour)
05-02-2011.mp3 I started at 1:24:06 and went to 1:26:00 (a bit better)

and you can email me at [email protected]

 

[Bman]

Thanks, I'll come up with something to YouTube it. Stock imagery with DNA, maybe a palm-scanner and a riot cop hinting at where this could go. Shots of James Madison on the Constitutional arguments.. argh. I need 2 of me.

04-28-2011.mp3 debate started at 2:53:50 and I started at 2:55:35 and went to 2:58:01 (not my finest hour)
05-02-2011.mp3 I started at 1:24:06 and went to 1:26:00 (a bit better)

and you can email me at [email protected]

lol. Just put up your pic, maybe with your designation.