Help! I'm being attacked in another forum

Joe3113

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I'm trying to stick up for Dr Paul in some other forums and I'm being attacked by some economist guy....HELP! How should I respond?

I wrote....

Yes but collapse is inevitable when you continually inflate the currency. As you create more fiat currency you are pulling wealth away from the dollars that already exist. That is stealing.

Response...

The expansion of the money supply is entirely necessary to support economic growth. Are you proposing that the money supply remain fixed so that as productivity and the economy expands, prices decline due to the lack of money, ultimately leading to a crash? As it is, the US money supply, M3, has only expanded by 10% of GDP since President Nixon ended the Gold exchange system in 1972. The anti-monetary system brigade would have us believe that the US money supply is growing at an exponential rate. In any event, only about 13% (currency and demand deposits) of the US money supply is exposed to inflation. The rest is interest bearing, and in line with the Fisher effect, compensation for the erosion of purchasing power from inflation is received. So your hypothesis that the current monetary system is designed to steal money from the masses is largely illusionary.

I wrote....

The people who get to use the money first before it filters into the system, like big business, military-industrial complex etc, get the most benefit.

Response...

I'm quite sure you can't even explain exactly what you mean by this statement.
 
So in essence he is right?

omg. i'm totally kidding. I just couldn't resist. :D

Someone will surely be able to help you out.
 
I'm trying to stick up for Dr Paul in some other forums and I'm being attacked by some economist guy....HELP! How should I respond?

I wrote....

Yes but collapse is inevitable when you continually inflate the currency. As you create more fiat currency you are pulling wealth away from the dollars that already exist. That is stealing.

Response...

The expansion of the money supply is entirely necessary to support economic growth. Are you proposing that the money supply remain fixed so that as productivity and the economy expands, prices decline due to the lack of money, ultimately leading to a crash? As it is, the US money supply, M3, has only expanded by 10% of GDP since President Nixon ended the Gold exchange system in 1972. The anti-monetary system brigade would have us believe that the US money supply is growing at an exponential rate. In any event, only about 13% (currency and demand deposits) of the US money supply is exposed to inflation. The rest is interest bearing, and in line with the Fisher effect, compensation for the erosion of purchasing power from inflation is received. So your hypothesis that the current monetary system is designed to steal money from the masses is largely illusionary.

I wrote....

The people who get to use the money first before it filters into the system, like big business, military-industrial complex etc, get the most benefit.

Response...

I'm quite sure you can't even explain exactly what you mean by this statement.


that guy is a Keynesian which means he is the opposite of an Austrian economist... He thinks deficits are needed to help the economy and that inflation is needed, etc.. It is hard to convince people so dug in to their beliefs... he will encounter cognitive dissonance.

if he think money supply has only grown 10% since 1971 then he is completely nuts/
 
Ask hem where he came up with his information about the 13% of us money being vulnerable to inflation. As far as I know inflation affects the price of everything. It robs money from peoples pockets and injects artificial value into the banking system where lenders get to use it first. The economy looks like its doing well. Its a farce.

I don't know where hes pulling numbers from but I'm fairly sure competing with his bias is a loosing fight.
 
look on ronpaullibrary for arguments

I'd love to read through that whole thing.....unfortunately time doesn't permit me at the moment......thats why I posted here.......I'm sure someone can help
 
No Idea. I need someone to give me a good IN YOUR FACE response. This guy is a real smart ass.

heh.. i bet he doesnt even know the difference between GDP and GNP... the GDP numbers hide alot of eroding in our industrial base.. closing of american companies, outsourcing, foreign ownership of america.
 
I'm trying to stick up for Dr Paul in some other forums and I'm being attacked by some economist guy....HELP! How should I respond?

I wrote....

Yes but collapse is inevitable when you continually inflate the currency. As you create more fiat currency you are pulling wealth away from the dollars that already exist. That is stealing.

Response...

The expansion of the money supply is entirely necessary to support economic growth. Are you proposing that the money supply remain fixed so that as productivity and the economy expands, prices decline due to the lack of money, ultimately leading to a crash? As it is, the US money supply, M3, has only expanded by 10% of GDP since President Nixon ended the Gold exchange system in 1972. The anti-monetary system brigade would have us believe that the US money supply is growing at an exponential rate. In any event, only about 13% (currency and demand deposits) of the US money supply is exposed to inflation. The rest is interest bearing, and in line with the Fisher effect, compensation for the erosion of purchasing power from inflation is received. So your hypothesis that the current monetary system is designed to steal money from the masses is largely illusionary.

I wrote....

The people who get to use the money first before it filters into the system, like big business, military-industrial complex etc, get the most benefit.

Response...

I'm quite sure you can't even explain exactly what you mean by this statement.

What an idiot. The Fed is issuing credit, not printing dollars. Just post this link and print this quote:

"M1 is merely physical currency, plus demand accounts. What you really need to see is M3, which includes eurodollars and repurchase agreements (hey, what do you know! The Fed no longer reports M3. What an astounding coincidence!"

http://seekingalpha.com/article/58199-money-supply-growth-it-s-much-worse-than-that
 
that guy is a Keynesian which means he is the opposite of an Austrian economist... He thinks deficits are needed to help the economy and that inflation is needed, etc.. It is hard to convince people so dug in to their beliefs... he will encounter cognitive dissonance.

if he think money supply has only grown 10% since 1971 then he is completely nuts/

So nobody can give me a witty response. CMON!!!!! :(
 
Basically, the first people who use it, get to use it before it is fully in circulation and thereby before it becomes devalued.
 
Show him the video of Ron Paul schooling benarkne (I don't care how to spell it) and ask him why the chairmen doesn't explain all this.
 
page 12, Mises and Austrian Economics: A Personal View, by Ron Paul

http://www.mises.org/books/paulmises.pdf

The most common misunderstanding in Washington regarding money is the conviction that economic growth depends on money growth. Ricardo mentioned this, but it was Mises who emphasized and clarified this point—duplication of money units bestows no social benefit. If it did, we’d have a hard time explaining why economic growth did so poorly in the 1970s when the Federal Reserve Board nearly tripled the money supply (M3). Yet today, the vast majority of the bureaucrats and politicians believe that without money growth,economic growth cannot occur. They see money as separate from taxing, spending, and regulatory policies; without an understanding of value, pricing, and money quality, it is virtually impossible to explain to them that prices can easily adjust downward if a free market requires it. The prevailing opinion is that falling prices are synonymous with depression—an obviously erroneous idea. Those who believe this do not understand the nature of capital—that it comes from productive effort and savings. They believe capital is something you get when the Fed increases the money supply.

In A Critique of Interventionism, Ludwig von Mises wrote:
By its very nature, a government decree that “it be” cannot create anything that has not been created before. Only the naive inflationists could believe that government could enrich mankind through fiat money. Government cannot create anything; its orders cannot even evict anything from the world of reality, but they can evict him from the world of the permissible. Government cannot make man richer, but it can make him poorer.
 
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Thanks guys. Keep em coming.....ive got time to write a good response.....he's not online at the moment
 
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