"He united the states of America" JOHN ADAMS starting Sunday on HBO

Cowlesy said:
I have really enjoyed the first two episodes of the mini-series, and looking forward to the third installment tonight which is going to detail the time that several of the founders travelled to France to enlist the support of King Louis.

One item I think a lot of folks need to remember is that these guys, though larger-than-life, were in fact human. They did great things, and made mistakes along the way. None of them were perfect. Purist Libertarians, Anarchists, Republicans or Democrats...are going to have bones to pick with the methods of the Founders in one way or another.

To me, one of the biggest things that makes them great men in my view is that they were able to build a consensus between the 13 States. These weren't a bunch of populists, but a lot of the gentry class that finally decided that taking the big risk and fighting for freedom was worth it. A lot of them were uber-wealthy, and could have lived perfectly comfortable lives as subjects of the Crown.

My favorite despite any mis-givings he had, was Samuel Adams :)
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Crap, I thought it was on only on Sundays. When was the second one on?
 
There was a double feature on the night John Adams was first shown, with the first and second episodes back to back.
 
I AM THRILLED beyond belief that this story is now being shown to the masses.

Shortly after 9-11, I felt as if I didn't know enough about my country. Like that famous saying -"You don't know what you've got till it's gone," the enormity of what took place on that day re-awakened my patriotism. I decided to read up on the American Revolution. The first book I chose was John Adams.

I found that the book read like a movie. David McCollough is so discriptive in his writing, that you feel as if he's taking you back in time on an amazing journey. I also came away never realizing the importance of John Adams - especially for his diplomatic mission in France. The sacrifices these people made were inspiring. I believe at one point he was away from home for 10 years while Abigail took care of the farm.

I saw David McCullough on Charlie Rose the other night. I've also seen him in other interviews as well. He is a man that is genuinely passionate about American History and loves the whole process of research and really getting to know these amazing characters. He has always been an advocate for educating our children about our history and is dismayed about how little of it is actually taught in our schools. He says it's up to the parents to make sure they teach their kids about it.

I don't have a problem with David McCullough being in Skull and Bones. I have a cousin who was a member. I don't believe that ALL members are part of the power elite that are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

I don't have HBO but I will seek it out when it goes to dvd. But I sincerely hope all of you enjoy the series and really take it to heart. Be inspired. Be empowered by those people that came before us. They weren't perfect. They were human like us, and had both good and bad points. But they knew that they were playing an important part in history, and were aware that they would be judged centuries later by future historians. How would they be remembered? Would they be remembered? They did all the hard work. They passed the torch down to us. It is our obligation to make sure that we don't fail them.

How will WE be remembered? Will we be remembered for restoring our Republic? Or will we become the generation that allowed our country to slip away due to our ignorance and apathy? I sincerely believe that the Ron Paul Revolution was the tiny pebble cast into a pond that generated thousands of ripples. So don't be dismayed about vote counts and delegate totals. Look at the bigger picture. This was just the beginning!!
 
libertygrl said:
I AM THRILLED beyond belief that this story is now being shown to the masses.

Shortly after 9-11, I felt as if I didn't know enough about my country. Like that famous saying -"You don't know what you've got till it's gone," the enormity of what took place on that day re-awakened my patriotism. I decided to read up on the American Revolution. The first book I chose was John Adams.

I found that the book read like a movie. David McCollough is so discriptive in his writing, that you feel as if he's taking you back in time on an amazing journey. I also came away never realizing the importance of John Adams - especially for his diplomatic mission in France. The sacrifices these people made were inspiring. I believe at one point he was away from home for 10 years while Abigail took care of the farm.

I saw David McCullough on Charlie Rose the other night. I've also seen him in other interviews as well. He is a man that is genuinely passionate about American History and loves the whole process of research and really getting to know these amazing characters. He has always been an advocate for educating our children about our history and is dismayed about how little of it is actually taught in our schools. He says it's up to the parents to make sure they teach their kids about it.

I don't have a problem with David McCullough being in Skull and Bones. I have a cousin who was a member. I don't believe that ALL members are part of the power elite that are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

I don't have HBO but I will seek it out when it goes to dvd. But I sincerely hope all of you enjoy the series and really take it to heart. Be inspired. Be empowered by those people that came before us. They weren't perfect. They were human like us, and had both good and bad points. But they knew that they were playing an important part in history, and were aware that they would be judged centuries later by future historians. How would they be remembered? Would they be remembered? They did all the hard work. They passed the torch down to us. It is our obligation to make sure that we don't fail them.

How will WE be remembered? Will we be remembered for restoring our Republic? Or will we become the generation that allowed our country to slip away due to our ignorance and apathy? I sincerely believe that the Ron Paul Revolution was the tiny pebble cast into a pond that generated thousands of ripples. So don't be dismayed about vote counts and delegate totals. Look at the bigger picture. This was just the beginning!!
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Great post! Thanks!!

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I'm not a patriot, but I like this series. I prefer self-government. Least government as possible is the most we can strive for at this point lol. I hope the economy collapses, at least the government would stop growing.
 
I can't wait for the 3rd part to air on HBO. If anyone missed part 1 you can download it here:

h ttp://isohunt.com/download/37251502/john+adams.torrent

It has good quality sound and picture but I'd still recommend watching it on HBO.
 
John Adams, though he may have been a Federalist, would today be considered probably a libertarian. He thought the government should have enough authority to hold the country together, but the people should have the power to exercise their rights, freedoms and liberties. Adams wanted a government of laws, not of men. And while he passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, he thought the Congress was the lawmaking branch and therefore didn't veto it. He never once encouraged its passage or promoted its passage.

Adams was one of the biggest fighters for individual liberty and personal freedom. He and Jefferson just basically differed on whether man was good or bad and whether the government should have more power than the states, which back then was a huge disagreement. But he took the ancient neocons down who were trying to go to war with France. ADAMS AVOIDED AN UNCESSARY WAR WHEN IT WOULD HAVE GOT HIM REELECTED, AND HE KNEW IT TOO! That's what is so great about him. He was a statesman, much like Ron Paul who spoke the truth, would get into arguements and wouldn't back down to people, like Ron in the debates.
 
I saw it. Pretty good, Adams isn't a good ambassador apparently, gets sick, he is always angry, Franklin is a old pimp daddy, Abagail is lonely, pretty much the jiff of it.
 
TruthAtLast said:
I can't wait for the 3rd part to air on HBO. If anyone missed part 1 you can download it here:

h ttp://isohunt.com/download/37251502/john+adams.torrent

It has good quality sound and picture but I'd still recommend watching it on HBO.
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1st and 2nd parts available at eztv.it, and the 3rd will probably be there within an hour from now.
 
mrchubbs said:
It is.

But it is still good. Great in fact.

Of course there are some liberties taken, especially timeline-wise. But....

It is well acted and rather moving so far.

If you want something completely based in factual history then watch the 6 part "Liberty" series from PBS is a good place to go. It omits things, but it is pretty damn good. Links to each part are below.

Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5602751196414323436

Part 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1886145627130631491

Part 3: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1086122546684391794

Part 4: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3440665465027527206

Part 5: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=476121666647804785

Part 6: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1728850897330746009

Enjoy.
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Well, the mini-series may take some liberties, but so does McCullough in his biography :p I was just curious. Thanks for the links.
 
That was fantastic, as anticipated. I just love how Adams won't take no for an answer. Independence baby!
 
Oh and John Quincy Adams goes with John to Paris then Holland and then travels as a secretary to another American to Russia.
 
I think the producers did a good job of not making it all fluffy/dramatic, but really trying and show how life was like back then---months (or years) apart, people getting extremely ill (pox, flu), sawing a wounded sailor's leg off --- it wasn't all romantic and wow'ish...it was pretty gruesome to live back then.
 
HighlandMediaworks said:
He donated $4600 to Obama...I checked it out too. I was a Dem and would have voted Obama if I hadn't had researched RP last May. Common thing...I think we are evolved Dems! lol now Constitutional Republicans. Go Ron Paul
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I wouldn't have voted for Obama, even if I never heard of RP. lol. We were all talking about Obama being a socialist on a libertarian forum last year.
 
Observations from part 3

1 - French society back then seems like American society today. Concerned with appearances and seeking immediate gratification... pushing aside the hard issues of the day for a few more minutes of happiness. Apathetic. How ironic that today one of America's favorite past times is monitoring the movements of someone named Paris (Hilton).


2 - Towards the end of the episode Adams says something that embodies the Ron Paul ethic (at least to me). He said, "I have longed learned that a man may give offense... and he may STILL succeed."

Looks like I'll be trying to make these thoughts a bit more coherent in an article at some point. Or not.

Enjoy.
 
Very interesting cut between Jefferson, a founder of our Constitutional Republic and Alexander Hamilton, the founder of our Commercial Republic.
 
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